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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 29, 2021 1:08:22 GMT
and the movie's been so ingrained in popular culture at this point, much like Star Wars, that I pretty much knew everything about despite not having actually seen it before.
Anyway I was wondering, was it originally intended to be a surprise that Arnold's Terminator was actually good this time and the T-1000 was the bad guy? I only ask because it seems fairly ambiguous as to where the two of them stand before the mall sequence where it's pretty much stated in black and white. Were you supposed to be surprised by this going in?
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Aug 29, 2021 1:14:21 GMT
Yeah, it was meant to be a surprise Arnold being good. This was lost on me because I only saw the original years after seeing T2.
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 29, 2021 1:15:55 GMT
Yeah, it was meant to be a surprise Arnold being good. This was lost on me because I only saw the original years after seeing T2. I think a lot of people have seen it before seeing the original.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 29, 2021 1:19:05 GMT
I still have a hard time believing it was suppose to be a surprise.
The trailers and TV spots use it as a selling point that he is the good guy. In the movie he kills nobody in the bar scene and the T-1000 arrival is done like a horror movie.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 29, 2021 1:20:41 GMT
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 29, 2021 1:24:36 GMT
Then the marketing screwed it up worse than I have ever seen and James Cameron could have done a better job hiding in the movie that he is good guy. Like i said, the opening arrival even betrays the T-800 character so that we don't see him as "bad" during that scene on re-watch. He goes out of his way NOT to kill the people in the bar.
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Post by Jason143 on Aug 29, 2021 1:31:28 GMT
What did you think of the movie
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Post by Lux on Aug 29, 2021 1:31:34 GMT
It took you 20 years to watch Terminator 2? I guess you'll be wormfood by the time you get to Rise of the machines.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 29, 2021 1:38:41 GMT
Yeah, it was meant to be a surprise Arnold being good. This was lost on me because I only saw the original years after seeing T2. I think a lot of people have seen it before seeing the original. I saw the original first. I watched both for the first time when I was 10 years old.
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Aug 29, 2021 1:52:09 GMT
The trailers clearly state that Arnold was the good guy. They simply couldn't have advertised the movie without revealing this.
There's nothing controversial about it.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 29, 2021 1:53:27 GMT
Then the marketing screwed it up worse than I have ever seen and James Cameron could have done a better job hiding in the movie that he is good guy. Like i said, the opening arrival even betrays the T-800 character so that we don't see him as "bad" during that scene on re-watch. He goes out of his way NOT to kill the people in the bar. The trailers for Salvation and Gynysysysys also spoiled their big Terminator twists. Tbe bar scene is kind of a giveaway, but I get why JC couldn't have the protagonist indiscriminately murdering civilians in the opening. Even in the context of the story, it's happenstance they survived because the T-800 hadn't yet been given orders not to kill. |
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 29, 2021 2:01:22 GMT
What did you think of the movie Oh I had a blast with it. An extremely fun and entertaining popcorn movie. That being said, I did prefer the original overall.
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 29, 2021 2:02:25 GMT
The trailers clearly state that Arnold was the good guy. They simply couldn't have advertised the movie without revealing this. There's nothing controversial about it. Well I know the marketing was one thing, but the way the film was written and directed, it seemed like it was supposed to have been something of a surprise.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 29, 2021 2:04:31 GMT
Then the marketing screwed it up worse than I have ever seen and James Cameron could have done a better job hiding in the movie that he is good guy. Like i said, the opening arrival even betrays the T-800 character so that we don't see him as "bad" during that scene on re-watch. He goes out of his way NOT to kill the people in the bar. The trailers for Salvation and Gynysysysys also spoiled their big Terminator twists. Tbe bar scene is kind of a giveaway, but I get why JC couldn't have the protagonist indiscriminately murdering civilians in the opening. Even in the context of the story, it's happenstance they survived because the T-800 hadn't yet been given orders not to kill. Who is involved in making and approving trailers? I assume the studio, so I guess they had different plans then James Cameron.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 29, 2021 2:07:17 GMT
The trailers clearly state that Arnold was the good guy. They simply couldn't have advertised the movie without revealing this. There's nothing controversial about it. Well I know the marketing was one thing, but the way the film was written and directed, it seemed like it was supposed to have been something of a surprise. I will grant that obviously. It is sort of sneaky, but not THAT sneaky. The marketing just full on wasn't having it though. I just don't think the reveal is a big enough deal. It is too early in the movie, so I think the slight misdirection is more for fun than meant to be a genuine surprise. That is what I would have said if James Cameron didn't flat out admit it in the commentary.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 29, 2021 2:19:14 GMT
Then the marketing screwed it up worse than I have ever seen and James Cameron could have done a better job hiding in the movie that he is good guy. Like i said, the opening arrival even betrays the T-800 character so that we don't see him as "bad" during that scene on re-watch. He goes out of his way NOT to kill the people in the bar. The trailers for Salvation and Gynysysysys also spoiled their big Terminator twists. Tbe bar scene is kind of a giveaway, but I get why JC couldn't have the protagonist indiscriminately murdering civilians in the opening. Even in the context of the story, it's happenstance they survived because the T-800 hadn't yet been given orders not to kill. He isn't given orders to kill by John Connor during the scene where the 2 guys are trying to help him either. He even says "Of course, I am a Terminator" when asked why he was going to kill them. I'd agree with the bar scene if not for the part with the knife.
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Post by Marv on Aug 29, 2021 2:49:31 GMT
Yea I think so. Although watching the two Terminators first encounters seems pretty obvious which one is malicious and which one isn’t. Although I guess the T1000 killing the cop is kind of hidden and ambiguous.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 29, 2021 2:50:18 GMT
The trailers for Salvation and Gynysysysys also spoiled their big Terminator twists. Tbe bar scene is kind of a giveaway, but I get why JC couldn't have the protagonist indiscriminately murdering civilians in the opening. Even in the context of the story, it's happenstance they survived because the T-800 hadn't yet been given orders not to kill. He isn't given orders to kill by John Connor during the scene where the 2 guys are trying to help him either. He even says "Of course, I am a Terminator" when asked why he was going to kill them. I'd agree with the bar scene if not for the part with the knife. But the tone of the film and our perception of the T-800 would be different if he successfully blew an innocent guy's brain chunks all over Ed Furlong. As is, it's just a close call. The best excuse I can make for the T-800 not leaving any bodies in the bar (narratively) is because becoming a wanted murderer before he's even located John would jeopardize the mission. |
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 29, 2021 2:54:49 GMT
He isn't given orders to kill by John Connor during the scene where the 2 guys are trying to help him either. He even says "Of course, I am a Terminator" when asked why he was going to kill them. I'd agree with the bar scene if not for the part with the knife. But the tone of the film and our perception of the T-800 would be different if he successfully blew an innocent guy's brain chunks all over Ed Furlong. As is, it's just a close call. The best excuse I can make for the T-800 not leaving any bodies in the bar (narratively) is because becoming a wanted murderer before he's even located John would jeopardize the mission. I agree with the reason James Cameron does it the way he does and I am able to overlook the bar scene for that reason. He is still just violent enough for it to not come off as phony. It would have been far more distracting had T2 been the gritty brutal tone of the original.
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Post by jonesjxd on Aug 29, 2021 11:52:46 GMT
I was in elementary school at the time, when T2 came out it was a movie everybody talked about but hadn't seen. We all had it's toys and merch while not having seen the movie, looking back that's weird. My question for the older people here, is how popular was Terminator by time Terminator 2 came out? Could they just have marketed T2 off the name or the iconic imagery of the exoskeleton, or did they have to sell the sequel as its own thing?
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