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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 15:30:49 GMT
Gotta also add that this movie contained one of the dumbest plot devices I have ever seen: a faceless animal that can communicate telepathically, but only with the stoner actor from Iron Man 3, that teaches the heroes how to enter the mythical realm because it somehow has all the turns through the magic forest perfectly memorized. I mean… 😂😂😂😂 Honestly this was something I didn't like about the film. The CGI creature felt like it was forced in, possibly to sell a toy for kids. I was fine with Trevor being a jester for Wenwu but pairing him up with "morris" was pretty cringey imho. It felt Disneyish. And I was really enjoying the movie until that point. I’d actually gone to the bathroom and then returned to see Trevor on screen with a big living stuffed animal and I was like “Oh no. What the hell happened to this movie!” 😂
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 11, 2021 15:33:15 GMT
Honestly this was something I didn't like about the film. The CGI creature felt like it was forced in, possibly to sell a toy for kids. I was fine with Trevor being a jester for Wenwu but pairing him up with "morris" was pretty cringey imho. It felt Disneyish. And I was really enjoying the movie until that point. I’d actually gone to the bathroom and then returned to see Trevor on screen with a big living stuffed animal and I was like “Oh no. What the hell happened to this movie!” 😂 Yeah I wish they didn't go in that direction
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 15:35:22 GMT
It felt Disneyish. And I was really enjoying the movie until that point. I’d actually gone to the bathroom and then returned to see Trevor on screen with a big living stuffed animal and I was like “Oh no. What the hell happened to this movie!” 😂 Yeah I wish they didn't go in that direction Thankfully it didn’t last too long though. It just feels so silly that Trevor/Stuffed Animal play such an important part in the plot.
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Post by Power Ranger on Sept 11, 2021 15:42:21 GMT
Not a great film, don't care if I ever see it again. I enjoyed the fight sequences, overall it was a mess. There's absolutely no reason his parents ever would've gotten together. The climactic CGI fest that ends with Shang-Chi going h2h with Cthulu or whatever was awful. I was just waiting for the movie to be over about 2/3rds of the way through, never thought I'd say that about a MCU film. I thought the characters were interesting for the most part, but again the stuff with his parents made no sense at all, and they never sold me on why his father would be dumb/insane enough to buy into the demon's trick, even after being told it was obviously a trick; even after demons kept pouring out of the cave! It didn't feel like a typical Marvel movie, which is actually a plus-- but that only made all the forced MCU references that much more distracting. Wong is a cage fighter now?! That doesn't fit with his character at all, and the idea that he's breaking Abomination out of prison to do it is beyond absurd. Trevor was completely unnecessary and while he was entertaining, they spent way too much time with him. One scene would've been enough. I didn't mind the Awkwafina character as Darcy 2.0, but let's not put her on the next Avengers roster. Speaking of which, it was fun to see Captain Marvel at the end, and to start forming the next Avengers roster in my head. It's unfortunate that that was the highpoint of the movie for me. 4/10, bottom tier of the MCU Saw it today and I agree with all of this. I really liked Simu Liu and welcome him to future MCU movies with open arms. But this movie really went off the rails halfway through. Wenwu could’ve been a great villain but he’s ultimately just a moron falling for a really random and contrived trick from a one dimensional monster. Just lame AF. It’s a shame because I was really enjoying the movie during the first half. Great action with really excellent directing and an extremely likable lead actor. The bus and scaffold fights were stellar, but then all the king fu is replaced with demons battling dragons. I wish someone had rewritten the third act to be less of a dumb CGI spectacle and more of a personal conflict between father and son. Wasn’t it Kevin Feige who said that they were trying to get away from any evil Fu Manchu type of Asian villain, probably to please the sensitive Chinese censors? Maybe that’s why they turned to monsters. If so, it was all for nought as China has yet to agree to a release LOL
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 16:12:38 GMT
Saw it today and I agree with all of this. I really liked Simu Liu and welcome him to future MCU movies with open arms. But this movie really went off the rails halfway through. Wenwu could’ve been a great villain but he’s ultimately just a moron falling for a really random and contrived trick from a one dimensional monster. Just lame AF. It’s a shame because I was really enjoying the movie during the first half. Great action with really excellent directing and an extremely likable lead actor. The bus and scaffold fights were stellar, but then all the king fu is replaced with demons battling dragons. I wish someone had rewritten the third act to be less of a dumb CGI spectacle and more of a personal conflict between father and son. Wasn’t it Kevin Feige who said that they were trying to get away from any evil Fu Manchu type of Asian villain, probably to please the sensitive Chinese censors? Maybe that’s why they turned to monsters. If so, it was all for nought as China has yet to agree to a release LOL It did feel like they went out of their way to make him sympathetic at the end. So I suppose that could be why. But if your cast is entirely Asian then having one evil Asian character is no longer offensive. Everyone is saying he is such a great villain but I don’t see it. Great actor, yes. But he’s ultimately not the main antagonist at all- just a pawn for some random monster.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 11, 2021 17:10:02 GMT
Meh. We never really see that friendship. They talk about it and they share screentime but they never really show that friendship. I would've thought the two of them literally fighting over which one would sacrifice themselves for each other in Endgame would've showed their friendship but obviously that was too subtle for you. Every Avenger willingly sacrifices themselves for random people they've never met. It's what makes them heroes.
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Post by Downey on Sept 11, 2021 18:01:38 GMT
I would've thought the two of them literally fighting over which one would sacrifice themselves for each other in Endgame would've showed their friendship but obviously that was too subtle for you. Every Avenger willingly sacrifices themselves for random people they've never met. It's what makes them heroes. I'm talking about Black Widow wanting to sacrifice herself so that Hawkeye didn't have to because of his family and Hawkeye wanting to sacrifice himself so Black Widow didn't have to despite her having no family. You didn't watch Endgame did you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 20:52:41 GMT
I was just reading a user review that described the 10 Rings as “mini Mjolnirs”. That’s pretty apt, I thought. There’s some cool shots of them in the fights but really all they do is fly around then come back to you. None of the myriad of powers from the comics.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 12, 2021 0:28:32 GMT
Every Avenger willingly sacrifices themselves for random people they've never met. It's what makes them heroes. I'm talking about Black Widow wanting to sacrifice herself so that Hawkeye didn't have to because of his family and Hawkeye wanting to sacrifice himself so Black Widow didn't have to despite her having no family. You didn't watch Endgame did you? I guess my point completely went over your head. Here, let me spell it for you: In a movie universe where every Avenger willingly sacrifices themselves for random people they've never met, BW sacrificing her life for Hawkeye's isn't quite as good an indication of their friendship, since every Avenger would have probably acted in the same way in the same situation.
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Post by Downey on Sept 12, 2021 7:17:54 GMT
I'm talking about Black Widow wanting to sacrifice herself so that Hawkeye didn't have to because of his family and Hawkeye wanting to sacrifice himself so Black Widow didn't have to despite her having no family. You didn't watch Endgame did you? I guess my point completely went over your head. Here, let me spell it for you: In a movie universe where every Avenger willingly sacrifices themselves for random people they've never met, BW sacrificing her life for Hawkeye's isn't quite as good an indication of their friendship, since every Avenger would have probably acted in the same way in the same situation. You're moving the goalposts now you're saying it doesn't mean anything because instead of being friends with each other they're also friends with other people/The Avengers too. It's like you're saying rather stupidly that there can only be two friends at any given time.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 12, 2021 7:42:05 GMT
I guess my point completely went over your head. Here, let me spell it for you: In a movie universe where every Avenger willingly sacrifices themselves for random people they've never met, BW sacrificing her life for Hawkeye's isn't quite as good an indication of their friendship, since every Avenger would have probably acted in the same way in the same situation. You're moving the goalposts now you're saying it doesn't mean anything because instead of being friends with each other they're also friends with other people/The Avengers too. It's like you're saying rather stupidly that there can only be two friends at any given time. I see my point went above your head again. Read over what I said, understand it, then we can talk. Otherwise we'll never get anywhere.
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Post by Downey on Sept 12, 2021 7:54:26 GMT
You're moving the goalposts now you're saying it doesn't mean anything because instead of being friends with each other they're also friends with other people/The Avengers too. It's like you're saying rather stupidly that there can only be two friends at any given time. I see my point went above your head again. Read over what I said, understand it, then we can talk. Otherwise we'll never get anywhere. No, I'll clarify what I meant, you're saying that because they're superheroes who save others and their fellow Avengers that that somehow (for only you) trivializes their friendship or at least that's what your reply is coming across as saying. Instead of comprehending that the sacrifices was because they were friends you want to demean that by adding in some unnecessary rubbish that does nothing to change the original point. You're adding meaningless obstacles instead of admitting they did what they did because they're friends. Friends can care about others too, that changes nothing. I have no idea why you're stuck on that.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 12, 2021 13:02:41 GMT
Yeah I wish they didn't go in that direction Thankfully it didn’t last too long though. It just feels so silly that Trevor/Stuffed Animal play such an important part in the plot. Which makes me wonder if it was done because Ben Kingsley wanted a certain amount of screentime in exchange for returning as Trevor? Because there was that one scene that felt random where it was just him and Morris.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 12, 2021 15:45:52 GMT
I see my point went above your head again. Read over what I said, understand it, then we can talk. Otherwise we'll never get anywhere. No, I'll clarify what I meant, you're saying that because they're superheroes who save others and their fellow Avengers that that somehow (for only you) trivializes their friendship or at least that's what your reply is coming across as saying. Instead of comprehending that the sacrifices was because they were friends you want to demean that by adding in some unnecessary rubbish that does nothing to change the original point. You're adding meaningless obstacles instead of admitting they did what they did because they're friends. Friends can care about others too, that changes nothing. I have no idea why you're stuck on that. Nope, that's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying sacrificing your life for someone else is something that every Avenger does even for random people they don't know, thus it's not really that great a showcase of friendship. Had that been Thor and Aunt May in that situation, Thor would have easily tried to sacrifice his life for hers despite not knowing her, because that's what heroes do.
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Post by Downey on Sept 12, 2021 16:07:08 GMT
No, I'll clarify what I meant, you're saying that because they're superheroes who save others and their fellow Avengers that that somehow (for only you) trivializes their friendship or at least that's what your reply is coming across as saying. Instead of comprehending that the sacrifices was because they were friends you want to demean that by adding in some unnecessary rubbish that does nothing to change the original point. You're adding meaningless obstacles instead of admitting they did what they did because they're friends. Friends can care about others too, that changes nothing. I have no idea why you're stuck on that. Nope, that's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying sacrificing your life for someone else is something that every Avenger does even for random people they don't know, thus it's not really that great a showcase of friendship. Had that been Thor and Aunt May in that situation, Thor would have easily tried to sacrifice his life for hers despite not knowing her, because that's what heroes do. If you want to make up your own stories why are you watching these movies? That maybe true had Black Widow not explained to Hawkeye before her sacrifice having knowing him for longer than the other Avengers how much his family means to him and that she should be the one to die.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 16:33:07 GMT
Thankfully it didn’t last too long though. It just feels so silly that Trevor/Stuffed Animal play such an important part in the plot. Which makes me wonder if it was done because Ben Kingsley wanted a certain amount of screentime in exchange for returning as Trevor? Because there was that one scene that felt random where it was just him and Morris. I bet it’s one of those situations where Marvel/Disney wanted to amp the humor/cuteness of the movie. Which was completely unneeded because Katy was already there to basically be a comedian in every scene anyway.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 12, 2021 17:05:03 GMT
Nope, that's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying sacrificing your life for someone else is something that every Avenger does even for random people they don't know, thus it's not really that great a showcase of friendship. Had that been Thor and Aunt May in that situation, Thor would have easily tried to sacrifice his life for hers despite not knowing her, because that's what heroes do. If you want to make up your own stories why are you watching these movies? That maybe true had Black Widow not explained to Hawkeye before her sacrifice having knowing him for longer than the other Avengers how much his family means to him and that she should be the one to die. In other words, it boils back to what I said before: These movies keep mentioning Natasha's and Clint's friendship but don't really develop it enough in the movies for us to feel that friendship. It's all just words that aren't backed up by a development in the story. Same issue with Thor's and Jane's romance. Saying that Natasha and Clint's friendship was clearly developed because Nat sacrificed herself for him is like saying Thor's and Jane's romance was clearly developed because they shared a kiss.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 17:53:14 GMT
I was talking about this movie last night and realized what it reminded me of: Aquaman. Both movies have solid, if not predictable, first halves then around the midpoint they become these wild goose chases where all sorts of supernatural plot points just come out of nowhere, then they devolve into big CGI spectacles for the third act.
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Post by Downey on Sept 12, 2021 18:15:25 GMT
If you want to make up your own stories why are you watching these movies? That maybe true had Black Widow not explained to Hawkeye before her sacrifice having knowing him for longer than the other Avengers how much his family means to him and that she should be the one to die. In other words, it boils back to what I said before: These movies keep mentioning Natasha's and Clint's friendship but don't really develop it enough in the movies for us to feel that friendship. It's all just words that aren't backed up by a development in the story. Same issue with Thor's and Jane's romance. Saying that Natasha and Clint's friendship was clearly developed because Nat sacrificed herself for him is like saying Thor's and Jane's romance was clearly developed because they shared a kiss. It was developed when Hawkeye was brainwashed by Loki in the first Avengers movie with Black Widow knowing that was there was goodness in him that could bring him back from being possessed. It's always been there but it seems maybe you choose to ignore it for the spectacle.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 12, 2021 22:51:12 GMT
In other words, it boils back to what I said before: These movies keep mentioning Natasha's and Clint's friendship but don't really develop it enough in the movies for us to feel that friendship. It's all just words that aren't backed up by a development in the story. Same issue with Thor's and Jane's romance. Saying that Natasha and Clint's friendship was clearly developed because Nat sacrificed herself for him is like saying Thor's and Jane's romance was clearly developed because they shared a kiss. It was developed when Hawkeye was brainwashed by Loki in the first Avengers movie with Black Widow knowing that was there was goodness in him that could bring him back from being possessed. It's always been there but it seems maybe you choose to ignore it for the spectacle. Which, again, boiled down to them saying Nat and Clint were friends but not quite showing it. Guess that's enough "development" for some people.
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