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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 19:39:03 GMT
Honestly, I'd watch the hell out of that, too. You're right, of course. No way would it be better than Marvel, but this guy would say it is just to spite us. Who wouldn't want to see cheetara Micheal Bay-ified? They actually kind of already did that in the 2011 reboot.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 22, 2017 19:54:28 GMT
Honestly, I'd watch the hell out of that, too. You're right, of course. No way would it be better than Marvel, but this guy would say it is just to spite us. Who wouldn't want to see cheetara Micheal Bay-ified? For transparency: I would not. 1. You used a straw man argument and alternative facts on the background motivation regarding my avatar. 2. A Bay movie with the subject of beefcats in tights would beyond a reasonable doubt be an abomination in writing and cinematography. Don't even hype that crap up, it's a ticking time bomb, you never know who is listening. MEU and DCEU are mediocre, Bay movies are abysmal, therein lies a big difference in quality. 3. I would not watch such a movie, with the caveat that I might let it play on cable, this way I saw parts of Bay's other oeuvre.
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Post by agentblue on May 22, 2017 20:13:22 GMT
I would love it if they had all of the rights back just seeing the X Men and fantastic Four in this universe would make me happier than anything.
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Post by charzhino on May 22, 2017 21:16:49 GMT
[q]The easy route is that sell-out "grounded" approach to inherently wondrous properties whose source material never shied away from that kind of stuff. And before you bring up X-Men, there's nothing challenging about subtle-as-a-nuke Holocaust exploitation. In that regard, X-Men doesn't challenge people at all. The fact it is all wonderous whilst masking real life struggles is the problem. Audiences walk away entertained because they laughed at Ant Man making jokes or Starlord doing a stupid dance. Thats it. There's no suffering or emotional evolution in the MCU which is why its 1 note. No one dies. No one suffers. Without that journey, the payoff at the end is not earned and worthless. No matter how bad some X-films might be atleast they try to exhibit the problems of its heros fully and not holding back. What do the MCU do. They hide or minimise it because they dont want their target audience to see these heros as flawed. Starks apparent PTSD in IM3? Forgotten. Caps worst nightmare of there being no war in Age of Ultron? Ignored. Rhodey being crippled in CW? Laughed off. These are examples why X-Men in Feiges hands is a terrible idea. You wont get character arcs like Xaviers in DOFP being a suicidal drug addict, or Wolverine in Logan reaching rock bottom. Even DC films that dont quite hit the mark in TDKR and MoS attempt to portray their heros as humans, not idealistic celebrities.
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Post by charzhino on May 22, 2017 21:17:38 GMT
Nah, just ashamed of taking the easy route and poorly adapting screenplays that dont challenge audiences. Except there is one problem with your statement; MCU screenplays challenge audiences of all ages no matter how you try to state your opinion as a fact. They challenge children's imagination, not much else.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 21:34:32 GMT
Except there is one problem with your statement; MCU screenplays challenge audiences of all ages no matter how you try to state your opinion as a fact. They challenge children's imagination, not much else. No they also challenge the imagination of non-pretentious adults.
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Post by yogabagaba on May 23, 2017 0:39:25 GMT
Honestly, I'd watch the hell out of that, too. You're right, of course. No way would it be better than Marvel, but this guy would say it is just to spite us. Who wouldn't want to see cheetara Micheal Bay-ified? I dunno, this Tristan creep strikes me as more of a Snarf kinda guy XD
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Post by formersamhmd on May 23, 2017 0:45:00 GMT
[q]The easy route is that sell-out "grounded" approach to inherently wondrous properties whose source material never shied away from that kind of stuff. And before you bring up X-Men, there's nothing challenging about subtle-as-a-nuke Holocaust exploitation. In that regard, X-Men doesn't challenge people at all. The fact it is all wonderous whilst masking real life struggles is the problem. Audiences walk away entertained because they laughed at Ant Man making jokes or Starlord doing a stupid dance. Thats it. There's no suffering or emotional evolution in the MCU which is why its 1 note. No one dies. No one suffers. Without that journey, the payoff at the end is not earned and worthless. No matter how bad some X-films might be atleast they try to exhibit the problems of its heros fully and not holding back. What do the MCU do. They hide or minimise it because they dont want their target audience to see these heros as flawed. Starks apparent PTSD in IM3? Forgotten. Caps worst nightmare of there being no war in Age of Ultron? Ignored. Rhodey being crippled in CW? Laughed off. These are examples why X-Men in Feiges hands is a terrible idea. You wont get character arcs like Xaviers in DOFP being a suicidal drug addict, or Wolverine in Logan reaching rock bottom. Even DC films that dont quite hit the mark in TDKR and MoS attempt to portray their heros as humans, not idealistic celebrities. That's not a problem at all, it just means the audience isn't being spoonfed. There are deeper themes in both GOTG and Ant-Man, and if all YOU took away was jokes and dancing that's your problem for wanting the movie to beat you over the head instead of being subtle.
More people have died in the MCU than in the X-Movies. And suffered.
Starks' PTSD? He learned to live with it, the way people have to.
Cap's nightmare? He still has it, just doesn't complain about it all the time.
Rhodey being crippled? He's still crippled at the end.
If anything, XAVIER was the one with the forgotten arc in DOFP. He was drunk in one scene and then got over it after ONE conversation with his future self. That's not how you overcome addiction.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 23, 2017 2:05:11 GMT
Call this "creepy" all you like but Professor X has a whole school established for this and as formersamhmd mentioned Batman too. Professor X and Batman don't stalk and spy on random high school kids like only creepy pedophiles do. Establishing a school to train teenagers in fighting skills isn't creepy. I took martial arts training when I was in elementary school.
What makes Tony Stark a creepy pedophile is that he's a 50+ year old man who is actually stalked and spied on a random high school kid that he had never met before. That's something only a creepy pedophile would do.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 23, 2017 2:55:39 GMT
Call this "creepy" all you like but Professor X has a whole school established for this and as formersamhmd mentioned Batman too. Professor X and Batman don't stalk and spy on random high school kids like only creepy pedophiles do. Establishing a school to train teenagers in fighting skills isn't creepy. I took martial arts training when I was in elementary school.
What makes Tony Stark a creepy pedophile is that he's a 50+ year old man who is actually stalked and spied on a random high school kid that he had never met before. That's something only a creepy pedophile would do.
Hello, DC-Fan . How are you doing today? Can you give us a few more examples of deviant behavior within the MCU? For example, we know that Steve Rogers is juicing and in dereliction of his duties as a soldier, Ant Man is a convicted felon and so on. Do you have any additional insights you could share with us?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 3:03:10 GMT
[q]The easy route is that sell-out "grounded" approach to inherently wondrous properties whose source material never shied away from that kind of stuff. And before you bring up X-Men, there's nothing challenging about subtle-as-a-nuke Holocaust exploitation. In that regard, X-Men doesn't challenge people at all. The fact it is all wonderous whilst masking real life struggles is the problem. Audiences walk away entertained because they laughed at Ant Man making jokes or Starlord doing a stupid dance. Thats it. There's no suffering or emotional evolution in the MCU which is why its 1 note. No one dies. No one suffers. Without that journey, the payoff at the end is not earned and worthless. No matter how bad some X-films might be atleast they try to exhibit the problems of its heros fully and not holding back. What do the MCU do. They hide or minimise it because they dont want their target audience to see these heros as flawed. Starks apparent PTSD in IM3? Forgotten. Caps worst nightmare of there being no war in Age of Ultron? Ignored. Rhodey being crippled in CW? Laughed off. These are examples why X-Men in Feiges hands is a terrible idea. You wont get character arcs like Xaviers in DOFP being a suicidal drug addict, or Wolverine in Logan reaching rock bottom. Even DC films that dont quite hit the mark in TDKR and MoS attempt to portray their heros as humans, not idealistic celebrities. Just keep proving to the world what a moron you are. Actually, Ant-Man is a pretty profound story about the paving the future for your children, not being consumed by past mistakes or tragedies, and rising above your own inherent flaws to do the right thing. The film also touches on how difficult it is for ex-cons to get jobs after they're freed from prison and shows the consequences of pushing everyone in your life away. I'd know that because I actually watched the movie instead of only half-watching through a negative lens. Starlord's dance-off challenge distracted you just as much as it distracted Ronan, but you failed to see what else the film has to offer under the quirkiness and humor. Stark's Post-Trauma is forgotten? Someone didn't pay any attention during Age of Ultron or Civil War. That crap that happened to him in Avengers and Ironman 3 are the driving forces behind everything he did in those two movies, you idiot. Oh, Cap's worst nightmare is glossed over? So how come he still doesn't have a social life outside of the other Avengers and Bucky and the next mission, even by Civil War? People take light of their own injuries to stay sane or keep their friends and relatives from getting too depressed all the time. Oh, wait, humor of any kind is evil to you, I forgot. Days of Future Past sucked, and so did Wolverine.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 3:05:19 GMT
Who wouldn't want to see cheetara Micheal Bay-ified? For transparency: I would not. 1. You used a straw man argument and alternative facts on the background motivation regarding my avatar. 2. A Bay movie with the subject of beefcats in tights would beyond a reasonable doubt be an abomination in writing and cinematography. Don't even hype that crap up, it's a ticking time bomb, you never know who is listening. MEU and DCEU are mediocre, Bay movies are abysmal, therein lies a big difference in quality. 3. I would not watch such a movie, with the caveat that I might let it play on cable, this way I saw parts of Bay's other oeuvre. I just love how Tristan outright ignores the post where I point out there is no tight-wearing in the MCU.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 23, 2017 3:31:33 GMT
Call this "creepy" all you like but Professor X has a whole school established for this and as formersamhmd mentioned Batman too. Professor X and Batman don't stalk and spy on random high school kids like only creepy pedophiles do. Establishing a school to train teenagers in fighting skills isn't creepy. I took martial arts training when I was in elementary school.
What makes Tony Stark a creepy pedophile is that he's a 50+ year old man who is actually stalked and spied on a random high school kid that he had never met before. That's something only a creepy pedophile would do.
Prof X and Batman brainwash kids, and when they die they just move onto the next batch. Tony owned up, admitted it was wrong to involve a child and sent him home.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 23, 2017 3:59:12 GMT
Professor X has telekinetic powers that allows him to reach into the minds of everybody he comes into contact with and has a machine designed to help identify mutants of ALL ages, adolescents especially, and keep watch on them any time he feels it is necessary to do. He, like Tony in Civil War, was looking for someone with fantastical abilities who possesses potential for the greater good and don't have to dwell on their powers alone.
Batman has done the same thing, albeit unwittingly but eventually warms up to it.
When it comes to "romantic interests"( God this is so stupid to even dive into, honestly) Tony obviously doesn't have that type of interest in Peter at all and sees himself more of a mentor/father figure than anything else, Tony's feelings are entirely for Pepper Potts in the MCU. Seriously, its been established since the first Iron Man that's who he really loves.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 23, 2017 4:18:33 GMT
Tony owned up, admitted it was wrong to involve a child and sent him home. No, Tony didn't own up. Did Tony turn himself in to the authorities for kidnapping and transporting a minor out of the country under false pretenses, lying to the minor's legal guardian? Did Tony apologize to Aunt May for lying to her and stalking and kidnapping her under-age nephew out of the country to fight a battle against super-powered fugitives?
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Post by formersamhmd on May 23, 2017 4:19:16 GMT
Tony owned up, admitted it was wrong to involve a child and sent him home. No, Tony didn't own up. Did Tony turn himself in to the authorities for kidnapping and transporting a minor out of the country under false pretenses, lying to the minor's legal guardian? Did Tony apologize to Aunt May for lying to her and stalking and kidnapping her under-age nephew out of the country to fight a battle against super-powered fugitives? He sent him home after he got hurt, which is more than Batman's ever done.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 23, 2017 4:26:41 GMT
No, Tony didn't own up. Did Tony turn himself in to the authorities for kidnapping and transporting a minor out of the country under false pretenses, lying to the minor's legal guardian? Did Tony apologize to Aunt May for lying to her and stalking and kidnapping her under-age nephew out of the country to fight a battle against super-powered fugitives? He sent him home after he got hurt So your answers are:
No, Tony didn't turn himself in to the authorities after kidnapping and transporting a minor out of the country under false pretenses, lying to the minor's guardian.
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No, Tony didn't apologize to Aunt May for lying to her and stalking and kidnapping her under-age nephew out of the country to fight a battle against super-powered fugitives.
So Tony didn't own up to his crimes. Got it.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 4:30:48 GMT
He sent him home after he got hurt So your answers are:
No, Tony didn't turn himself in to the authorities after kidnapping and transporting a minor out of the country under false pretenses, lying to the minor's guardian.
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No, Tony didn't apologize to Aunt May for lying to her and stalking and kidnapping her under-age nephew out of the country to fight a battle against super-powered fugitives.
So Tony didn't own up to his crimes. Got it.
Last time I checked, Robin's dead in the DCEU, and it was on Batman's watch.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 23, 2017 5:14:45 GMT
He sent him home after he got hurt So your answers are:
No, Tony didn't turn himself in to the authorities after kidnapping and transporting a minor out of the country under false pretenses, lying to the minor's guardian.
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No, Tony didn't apologize to Aunt May for lying to her and stalking and kidnapping her under-age nephew out of the country to fight a battle against super-powered fugitives.
So Tony didn't own up to his crimes. Got it.
Tony had full Government Authority to do that, and Peter didn't want May to know what was going on so Tony respected that. He owned up better than Batman did.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 23, 2017 5:50:57 GMT
So your answers are:
No, Tony didn't turn himself in to the authorities after kidnapping and transporting a minor out of the country under false pretenses, lying to the minor's guardian.
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No, Tony didn't apologize to Aunt May for lying to her and stalking and kidnapping her under-age nephew out of the country to fight a battle against super-powered fugitives.
So Tony didn't own up to his crimes. Got it.
Tony had full Government Authority to do that, and Peter didn't want May to know what was going on so Tony respected that. No, Tony didn't have Government Authority to kidnap Peter. Peter is a private citizen and isn't in the military so the government doesn't have the authority to draft him into service. Moreover, Peter is a minor so he couldn't be drafted anyway. And the government has no authority to allow anyone to kidnap a minor and transport the minor out of the country without the consent of the minor's parents or legal guardian.
Also, what Peter wants is irrelevant. Peter is a minor so under the law, Peter isn't allowed to leave the country without the consent of his parents or legal guardian. Since Peter is a minor, transporting him out of the country under false pretenses and lying to Aunt May is considered kidnapping of a child, regardless of whether or not the child went voluntarily. Since Peter is a child, he's not legally able to give consent so what Peter wants is irrelevant.
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