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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 18, 2021 18:27:58 GMT
This. Exactly. When the theater dies so will Superhero movies as we know them now. They will be too expensive to make. I’d like to see some more humble films. I wouldn’t mind a Batman film where it’s a dark thriller and he’s more of a detective trying to piece together a puzzle. Maybe have Riddler as a villain. But grounded in reality. Perhaps he’s a serial killer like “The Zodiac” Killler and they call him “The Riddler” because he leaves puzzles at his crimes that give clues to who is next, and who he is. Batman works with Gordon in tandem to solve the crime. Maybe have Joker in Arkham like “Silence of the Lambs” when she works with Hannibal. Maybe Batman has to talk with Joker for help solving the crime. It wouldn’t cost much. You don’t have to throw 200 million dollars at an over bloated CGi mess to have a good superhero film. Ya know, between this and Friday the 13th you're kinda forming a habit of pitching movies that already exist. This is pretty much the new Matt Reeves Batman, with a little Long Halloween mixed in. |
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Post by basmaticathury on Sept 18, 2021 21:29:53 GMT
Once upon a time, universal drama films like "Forrest Gump" grossed over $300 million domestically. Those days are long gone, just like the once great state of California itself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 23:15:19 GMT
I’d like to see some more humble films. I wouldn’t mind a Batman film where it’s a dark thriller and he’s more of a detective trying to piece together a puzzle. Maybe have Riddler as a villain. But grounded in reality. Perhaps he’s a serial killer like “The Zodiac” Killler and they call him “The Riddler” because he leaves puzzles at his crimes that give clues to who is next, and who he is. Batman works with Gordon in tandem to solve the crime. Maybe have Joker in Arkham like “Silence of the Lambs” when she works with Hannibal. Maybe Batman has to talk with Joker for help solving the crime. It wouldn’t cost much. You don’t have to throw 200 million dollars at an over bloated CGi mess to have a good superhero film. Ya know, between this and Friday the 13th you're kinda forming a habit of pitching movies that already exist. This is pretty much the new Matt Reeves Batman, with a little Long Halloween mixed in. You’ve seen Matt Reeves Batman? Wow. When did you watch it? I want to see it. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 18, 2021 23:26:41 GMT
Ya know, between this and Friday the 13th you're kinda forming a habit of pitching movies that already exist. This is pretty much the new Matt Reeves Batman, with a little Long Halloween mixed in. You’ve seen Matt Reeves Batman? Wow. When did you watch it? I want to see it. Come on, you and I have both seen the trailer for the movie. You literally just described it. |
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Sept 18, 2021 23:42:26 GMT
Cartoons. Seems the younger generations are not maturing emotionally until later in life and cartoons have become more popular than ever, and they are getting better.  Interesting chart. I know the 70's had Star Wars, The Godfather, Jaws and the Planet Of The Apes movies, but that decade always reminded more of the gritty cop Vs drug dealer theme. When talking about what genre defines a decade, I usually go to Police/Cop flicks. It was a cynical time with Vietnam and the chaos of the 60's with the civil rights movement.
The Western chart is exactly what I expected. Movie studios beat the absolute HELL out of that genre from 1920-1960! I feel like it all culminated with the Dollar Trilogy which was a lot more gritty and real than most of the predecessors in the Western Genre.
Then the Godfather came along and changed up the game. The cartoony westerns style of the 40's and 50's just didn't fit anymore in the real world with all the crazy stuff that happened in the 60's. People wanted more real life stories I think, not the redundant formula of good cowboys in white hats vs outlaws in black hats.
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Post by gw on Sept 18, 2021 23:58:20 GMT
Cartoons. Seems the younger generations are not maturing emotionally until later in life and cartoons have become more popular than ever, and they are getting better. I can see why people generally prefer real actors because animated character acting is crude by comparison. But nobody criticizes regular painting or sculpture the way they do animation as being for children and animation in say, a hand drawn feature film has tens if not over a hundred thousand drawings and hundreds of backgrounds or more. There is a historical lack of auteur filmmakers but that's fortunately no longer the case. I think animation deserves to be treated like art of any other kind. You can watch what you like and leave the rest. |
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Sept 19, 2021 0:05:11 GMT
More superhero movies lol.
Going by the reception of a not so well known character like Shang-Chi, I think superhero movies are here to stay for a long time.
I can't see any genre replacing superhero movies anytime soon.
The upcoming Spider-man movie is likely going to gross over a billion dollars.
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Post by petrolino on Sept 19, 2021 0:19:12 GMT
Family films work well with the superhero model and multiplexes and merchandise are moneyspinners. Young people where I work tell me virtual interactive films are the future. Not quite like 'Fighting Fantasy' models where you choose which door to go through, but more like kids in headsets locked in to the big screen, yet swaying in their seats as they go for a ride. Eventually, it becomes the perfect simulation, like Douglas Quaid in 'Total Recall', but that's a long way off yet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 0:44:48 GMT
You’ve seen Matt Reeves Batman? Wow. When did you watch it? I want to see it. Come on, you and I have both seen the trailer for the movie. You literally just described it. And it’s over 100M budget. I’m talking about a 50M noir detective film. And as it pertains to the Friday the 13th thread. Part V was about a paramedic who kills everyone disguised as Jason. They killed his mentally ill son. I suggested a Tommy at 50, played by Feldman. He’s the killer, or the real Jason comes back and he stops him. Not like the 5th film at all. |
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Post by Sarge on Sept 19, 2021 1:00:02 GMT
Cartoons. Seems the younger generations are not maturing emotionally until later in life and cartoons have become more popular than ever, and they are getting better. Interesting chart. I know the 70's had Star Wars, The Godfather, Jaws and the Planet Of The Apes movies, but that decade always reminded more of the gritty cop Vs drug dealer theme. When talking about what genre defines a decade, I usually go to Police/Cop flicks. It was a cynical time with Vietnam and the chaos of the 60's with the civil rights movement.
The Western chart is exactly what I expected. Movie studios beat the absolute HELL out of that genre from 1920-1960! I feel like it all culminated with the Dollar Trilogy which was a lot more gritty and real than most of the predecessors in the Western Genre.
Then the Godfather came along and changed up the game. The cartoony westerns style of the 40's and 50's just didn't fit anymore in the real world with all the crazy stuff that happened in the 60's. People wanted more real life stories I think, not the redundant formula of good cowboys in white hats vs outlaws in black hats.
I found it interesting that crime, fantasy, and comedy are all pretty stable, especially fantasy.
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Post by Sarge on Sept 19, 2021 1:07:12 GMT
Cartoons. Seems the younger generations are not maturing emotionally until later in life and cartoons have become more popular than ever, and they are getting better. I can see why people generally prefer real actors because animated character acting is crude by comparison. But nobody criticizes regular painting or sculpture the way they do animation as being for children and animation in say, a hand drawn feature film has tens if not over a hundred thousand drawings and hundreds of backgrounds or more. There is a historical lack of auteur filmmakers but that's fortunately no longer the case. I think animation deserves to be treated like art of any other kind. You can watch what you like and leave the rest.
It's getting better. It rides heavy on the quality of the voice acting and there is a lot of outstanding voice talent. The animation in the new season of Love, Death, and Robots is among the best I've seen. It will be cheaper to do animation and deep fakes than hire high dollar talent. Film stars will become like radio stars, a product made in a factory.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 19, 2021 1:11:34 GMT
Come on, you and I have both seen the trailer for the movie. You literally just described it. And it’s over 100M budget. I’m talking about a 50M noir detective film. And as it pertains to the Friday the 13th thread. Part V was about a paramedic who kills everyone disguised as Jason. They killed his mentally ill son. I suggested a Tommy at 50, played by Feldman. He’s the killer, or the real Jason comes back and he stops him. Not like the 5th film at all. Is that with the reshoots and covid stuff? I mean, it's still clearly being marketed as a noir detective thing with Batman investigating the murder scenes of a Zodiac-style Riddler leaving clues, just as you wanted. As for the budget, Joker cost 70M and that didn't even have Batman, so I don't even know if 50M is feasible. The fifth Friday ended with Tommy becoming a killer. You also pitched a teenage Tommy returning to the camp to deal with his trauma, which is the entire plot of that film. |
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Post by hi224 on Sept 19, 2021 1:33:06 GMT
In the 1960s we had epics. In 1970s we had the Western. In the 1980s we had the buff muscle man, action flicks. In the 1990s we had the disaster/end of the world type action thrillers. In the 2000s we had a mix between action and superhero films. 2010s it was a Superhero explosion… What will come along and replace Superheroes as the next big thing? Some new genre. |
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Post by gw on Sept 19, 2021 1:43:13 GMT
I can see why people generally prefer real actors because animated character acting is crude by comparison. But nobody criticizes regular painting or sculpture the way they do animation as being for children and animation in say, a hand drawn feature film has tens if not over a hundred thousand drawings and hundreds of backgrounds or more. There is a historical lack of auteur filmmakers but that's fortunately no longer the case. I think animation deserves to be treated like art of any other kind. You can watch what you like and leave the rest.
It's getting better. It rides heavy on the quality of the voice acting and there is a lot of outstanding voice talent. The animation in the new season of Love, Death, and Robots is among the best I've seen. It will be cheaper to do animation and deep fakes than hire high dollar talent. Film stars will become like radio stars, a product made in a factory.
I think there will be two trends: virtual films and robotic films with a certain amount of intermixing. Those who make the latter may use some real actors to gain more viewers who are nostalgic for the past movie stars. |
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Post by gw on Sept 19, 2021 1:53:23 GMT
If I had to guess I would say nature based fictional films. Films about exoplanets or animals that used to be science fiction or speculation.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Sept 19, 2021 8:46:07 GMT
As somebody already posted, it'll probably be streaming. The type of mass audiences of yesteryear will likely continue to decline in prevalence. Maybe this'll lead to a great diversity of output over time but probably nothing like the mega-hits of the 2010s.
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Post by azzajones on Sept 19, 2021 10:53:33 GMT
Star Wars films, if Disney was to get genuinely talented people to work on the films and make more like the MCU.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Sept 20, 2021 3:32:17 GMT
I think the next decade will continue to be dominated by superhero films. They’re just still so popular. I don’t see any genre over taking them anytime soon. As for what will over take them, which something inevitably will, I really don’t know at this point.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 20, 2021 19:38:07 GMT
Flims about gays.
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Post by sostie on Sept 21, 2021 9:47:22 GMT
In the 1960s we had epics. In 1970s we had the Western. In the 1980s we had the buff muscle man, action flicks. In the 1990s we had the disaster/end of the world type action thrillers. In the 2000s we had a mix between action and superhero films. 2010s it was a Superhero explosion… What will come along and replace Superheroes as the next big thing? If asked off the top of my head I might agree with a lot of these but if you look at the facts (well if you look at Wiki/internet) 1960s - only 3 epics in top 20. There were as many musicals (though numbers vary) 1970s - no westerns in Top 20. In the Top 50 Blazing Saddles is at 38 and that is it. Sci-fi/Fantasy more most dominant in Top 20 1980s - no buff muscle men fiims in Top 20 (unless you count Lethal Weapon & Twins). There are about 6 action films but most - Indiana Jones, Star Wars films, Batman - also fall under the more popular sci-fi/fantasy banner (more than half) 1990s - 6 disaster films in Top 20 if you count 2 Jurassic Park films. But some also fall under the sci-fi/fantasy tag with a total of 9 2000s - only 3 superhero films in Top 20 - two Spider-Man films and Dark Knight. Excluding these there are 13 sci-fi/fantasy films and 4 animated 2010s - 7 superhero films in Top 20 (all MCU). Excluding those 11 franchise films/sequels and 2 remakes Of course it does seem that a lot of these genres are being released, but not necessarily reflected in Box Office (well Top 20 at least) and does seem to ring true with the 2010s. The superhero genre will continue to dominate as long as the MCU continues (and I welcome it) and I think after the COVID catch-up they'll only do 2 or 3 a year. Not sure how DC are going to continue - they can't seem to decide whether to try and emulate MCU or gofor one-offs. Other superhero films will decrease. Though may see more non-superhero comic book movies. I think TV/Streaming will take a lot of Superhero titles from the big screen
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