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Post by sariz on May 18, 2017 22:53:32 GMT
In film and tv there are two main types of villains which can be really interesting and we have seen all of them steal the spotlight to the leading character....
which ones do you prefer to watch
A the tragic Villain The Villains that we might feel a bitt sorry for them at times because we see their reasons for being bad guys but we still hate them and we take seriously. They can be mentally ill, were brainwashed etc but all have a back story.
Examples: Amon Goeth from Schindler's list, comodous from Gladiator, The Jokef from the dark knight and recently Kevin and his 23 personalities from Split
B the Fun to watch Villains: you don't root for them but they can be very charming at times and you enjoy watching them because they aren't really scary. We know they are bad guys but we never really fear them.
Examples : Richard Roper from The Night Manager, Bill the Butcher from Gangs of NewYork, Look Evans Take on Gaston from Beauty and the beast and Nicky Santoro from Casino.
I'm more inclined to the second type and I'm actually gladly surprised when it happens. When I first heard of the praise for Daniel Day Lewis in Gangs of New York I expected type The A type maybe because of how seriously he takes his job but when the film started I was like all right cool this is gonna be fun but not what I expected.
Anyway here is an extra question for Scorsesse experts does always prefer his villains to not be taken that seriously?
On the B type I mentioned two villains from a Scorsesse film.
yes his films are violent and full of drama but seems like he wants the real villain to have some fun or he relaxes in that matter.
Im Not a Scorsesse expert so that why am asking you about this ?
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Post by jakesully on May 18, 2017 22:58:38 GMT
I like for the villain to be mean /nasty as hell with little to no redeeming traits. Ones that are meticulous and diabolical . For example, John Doe (Se7en) played brilliantly by Kevin Spacey .
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Post by Matthew the Swordsman on May 18, 2017 23:02:14 GMT
I like sexy villains who eventually become semi-good-guys, like Prince Vegeta and Sesshomaru.
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Post by mslo79 on May 18, 2017 23:04:40 GMT
Given the OP's choices i lean towards... Option B
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Post by moviemouth on May 19, 2017 4:03:26 GMT
A. by far.
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Post by moviemouth on May 19, 2017 4:05:23 GMT
I like for the villain to be mean /nasty as hell with little to no redeeming traits. Ones that are meticulous and diabolical . For example, John Doe (Se7en) played brilliantly by Kevin Spacey . John Doe would fall under option A. Mentally ill. I do feel sorry for John Doe. He is a victim of his own insanity and even thinks he is doing God's work for the good of man kind. |
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Post by Marv on May 19, 2017 4:08:41 GMT
I suppose I'd lean toward the second. I prefer a charismatic villain and that seems more apt in B section. Characters like Max Cady from Cape Fear come to mind.
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Post by BATouttaheck on May 19, 2017 4:13:34 GMT
B
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Post by pippinmaniac on May 19, 2017 4:13:42 GMT
I don't care what type of villain, as long as they have a sexy voice.
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Post by janice on May 19, 2017 4:56:20 GMT
My favorite villain is the one who wins in the end. Because that is more true to real life since the good guys NEVER win in real life. Only the baddies do.
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Post by moviemouth on May 19, 2017 5:25:44 GMT
My favorite villain is the one who wins in the end. Because that is more true to real life since the good guys NEVER win in real life. Only the baddies do. Well that is absolute nonsense. I'd say there is a pretty equal balance in real life. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 19, 2017 5:51:16 GMT
]Anyway here is an extra question for Scorsesse experts does always prefer his villains to not be taken that seriously? On the B type I mentioned two villains from a Scorsesse film. yes his films are violent and full of drama but seems like he wants the real villain to have some fun or he relaxes in that matter. Usually the A types are his main characters. Think Travis Bickle and Jake LaMotta |
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Post by barkingbaphomet on May 19, 2017 6:02:00 GMT
this is a strange binary.
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Post by sariz on May 19, 2017 7:41:59 GMT
]Anyway here is an extra question for Scorsesse experts does always prefer his villains to not be taken that seriously? On the B type I mentioned two villains from a Scorsesse film. yes his films are violent and full of drama but seems like he wants the real villain to have some fun or he relaxes in that matter. Usually the A types are his main characters. Think Travis Bickle and Jake LaMotta So he has had both in Casino and Gangs he went for the fun villains meanwhile the other two films you mentioned were the first type I mentioned. |
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Post by sariz on May 19, 2017 7:52:15 GMT
I suppose I'd lean toward the second. I prefer a charismatic villain and that seems more apt in B section. Characters like Max Cady from Cape Fear come to mind. Max Caddy could be in between because he is scary since the beginning, sometimes characters find the guy charming but he is very scary and creepy. In Gangs you are never scared of Bill the same happened to me with Richard Roper in the night Manager. You know they are evil but they don't have that scary look at any single point. You know things will be terribly bad for our protagonists when they'll be caught because we saw Bill killing Valentine's father at the beginning in a duel and in the night Manager we know Roper Is the most evil man because he murdered the girl at the hotel at the very beginning. But we are never scared of them, we even like them at some moments yet we don't root for them |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 19, 2017 12:43:28 GMT
Some of the best villains actually won in their respective films. Major Spoilers ahead:
The Joker- The Dark Knight
John Doe- Seven
Kaiser Soze- The Usual Suspects (Spacey's on a roll on this list!)
The Overlook Hotel- The Shining
Azazel- Fallen
Oliver Lang- Arlington Road
Aaron- Primal Fear
Then you have characters like Hannibal Lecter who aren't the main villain in their film (At least not in Silence of the Lambs) but are still creeps who end up 'winning' in the end. Sometimes you have gray area as to what a villain truly is. Dalton Russell, Clive Owen's character from Inside Man is more of an anti-hero I suppose, but he is going up against one of Hollywood's most charismatic leading men in Denzel Washington, and you still find yourself rooting for him, I think. Another of my favorite films, Above Suspicion (1995) with Christopher Reeve taking a dark turn, has you (at least me) rooting for the 'villain' the whole time. On that note, anyone ever see Paparazzi (2004)? Highly enjoyable flick where the hero becomes the villain, at least by definition. The audience still roots for him (again, I certainly did and I believe that's the intention of the filmmakers) and it's a ton of fun if you have a dark sense of humor (and by that I mean you cheer as paparazzi are murdered). Crazy or tragic, I want my villains to be competent. |
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Post by moviemouth on May 19, 2017 16:20:07 GMT
Some of the best villains actually won in their respective films. Major Spoilers ahead:
The Joker- The Dark Knight
John Doe- Seven
Kaiser Soze- The Usual Suspects (Spacey's on a roll on this list!)
The Overlook Hotel- The Shining
Azazel- Fallen
Oliver Lang- Arlington Road
Aaron- Primal Fear
Then you have characters like Hannibal Lecter who aren't the main villain in their film (At least not in Silence of the Lambs) but are still creeps who end up 'winning' in the end. Sometimes you have gray area as to what a villain truly is. Dalton Russell, Clive Owen's character from Inside Man is more of an anti-hero I suppose, but he is going up against one of Hollywood's most charismatic leading men in Denzel Washington, and you still find yourself rooting for him, I think. Another of my favorite films, Above Suspicion (1995) with Christopher Reeve taking a dark turn, has you (at least me) rooting for the 'villain' the whole time. On that note, anyone ever see Paparazzi (2004)? Highly enjoyable flick where the hero becomes the villain, at least by definition. The audience still roots for him (again, I certainly did and I believe that's the intention of the filmmakers) and it's a ton of fun if you have a dark sense of humor (and by that I mean you cheer as paparazzi are murdered). Crazy or tragic, I want my villains to be competent. I don't agree that the Overlook Hotel won since the wife and son live. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 19, 2017 16:33:47 GMT
Fair enough. It got Jack, though. So its plus minus wasn't terrible.
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Post by janice on May 19, 2017 16:52:41 GMT
My favorite villain is the one who wins in the end. Because that is more true to real life since the good guys NEVER win in real life. Only the baddies do. Well that is absolute nonsense. I'd say there is a pretty equal balance in real life. Another out-of-touch-with-reality privileged American. |
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Post by fangirl1975 on May 19, 2017 17:22:22 GMT
I prefer villain type B since they're the traditional Bond film villains.
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