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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 24, 2017 3:25:58 GMT
Also: I hate to break it to you, but films featuring the Norse pantheon were huge in the fifties. HUGE. Those USSR-fearing, Ike-loving folk couldn't get enough of that kind of stuff. It's -- it's very much a forgotten period now. Very obscure. No sense in even googling it. Trust me. In that case, Marvel is still one of few in a very long time to give Norse mythology much attention in movies. Though, if Hollywood had any sense (we know it doesn't), another company could easily make a movie that's closer to the mythological roots. There's a lot of interesting stuff in there, like Sigurd the Dragon-Slayer. Or even a movie about a Valkyrie collecting the souls of the heroic dead to fight for Asgard. Yeah, I've little knowledge of it. I was always more into Greek and Roman mythology as a kid. |
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Post by flasuss on May 24, 2017 3:35:45 GMT
Mantis as written by Englehart was the most Mary Sueish character in the history of Mary Sues.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 24, 2017 3:37:40 GMT
Mantis as written by Englehart was the most Mary Sueish character in the history of Mary Sues. Not so fast, my friend...  |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 3:39:51 GMT
In that case, Marvel is still one of few in a very long time to give Norse mythology much attention in movies. Though, if Hollywood had any sense (we know it doesn't), another company could easily make a movie that's closer to the mythological roots. There's a lot of interesting stuff in there, like Sigurd the Dragon-Slayer. Or even a movie about a Valkyrie collecting the souls of the heroic dead to fight for Asgard. Yeah, I've little knowledge of it. I was always more into Greek and Roman mythology as a kid. Same. Norse mythology is more of an adulthood pursuit of mine. During when Lord of the Rings was at its all-time high point in popularity, there were of course all kinds of books released detailing how Tolkien came up with Middle-earth, and reading even the cliff notes versions of the Norse tales he was inspired by was fascinating to me. It's kinda hard to get your hands on any decent Norse mythology books, but I managed. Sigard the Dragon-Slayer, if you're still into epic tales of grand heroes kicking all kinds of ass, is worth the read. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 24, 2017 3:45:06 GMT
Yeah, I've little knowledge of it. I was always more into Greek and Roman mythology as a kid. Same. Norse mythology is more of an adulthood pursuit of mine. During when Lord of the Rings was at its all-time high point in popularity, there were of course all kinds of books released detailing how Tolkien came up with Middle-earth, and reading even the cliff notes versions of the Norse tales he was inspired by was fascinating to me. It's kinda hard to get your hands on any decent Norse mythology books, but I managed. Sigard the Dragon-Slayer, if you're still into epic tales of grand heroes kicking all kinds of ass, is worth the read. Hey, thanks. I'll add it to my list. Is it written in an accessible way, or is it more dry and detached? |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 24, 2017 4:38:31 GMT
Yeah, I've little knowledge of it. I was always more into Greek and Roman mythology as a kid. Same. Norse mythology is more of an adulthood pursuit of mine. During when Lord of the Rings was at its all-time high point in popularity, there were of course all kinds of books released detailing how Tolkien came up with Middle-earth, and reading even the cliff notes versions of the Norse tales he was inspired by was fascinating to me. It's kinda hard to get your hands on any decent Norse mythology books, but I managed.Sigard the Dragon-Slayer, if you're still into epic tales of grand heroes kicking all kinds of ass, is worth the read. Try this one:  It's not half bad. SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 5:05:08 GMT
Same. Norse mythology is more of an adulthood pursuit of mine. During when Lord of the Rings was at its all-time high point in popularity, there were of course all kinds of books released detailing how Tolkien came up with Middle-earth, and reading even the cliff notes versions of the Norse tales he was inspired by was fascinating to me. It's kinda hard to get your hands on any decent Norse mythology books, but I managed. Sigard the Dragon-Slayer, if you're still into epic tales of grand heroes kicking all kinds of ass, is worth the read. Hey, thanks. I'll add it to my list. Is it written in an accessible way, or is it more dry and detached? Well, I went with the standard dry reading of the myth. I've never really looked into seeing if anyone's ever written a version that reads more like a novel. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 5:06:51 GMT
Same. Norse mythology is more of an adulthood pursuit of mine. During when Lord of the Rings was at its all-time high point in popularity, there were of course all kinds of books released detailing how Tolkien came up with Middle-earth, and reading even the cliff notes versions of the Norse tales he was inspired by was fascinating to me. It's kinda hard to get your hands on any decent Norse mythology books, but I managed.Sigard the Dragon-Slayer, if you're still into epic tales of grand heroes kicking all kinds of ass, is worth the read. Try this one: It's not half bad. SaveSaveI've heard of that one, but haven't had time to pick it up as of yet. Were there any parts you liked in particular? |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 24, 2017 6:12:53 GMT
Try this one: It's not half bad. SaveSaveI've heard of that one, but haven't had time to pick it up as of yet. Were there any parts you liked in particular? Off the top of my head; Yggdrasil and The Nine Realms, Mimir's head and Odin's Eye, The Children of Loki and a few others chapters. Full disclosure; Gaiman's book is not a scholarly work on Norse Mythology. Don't expect lengthy diatribes on the Christianization of Scandinavia or substantive excerpts from the Edda. His book is more of a love letter to Scandinavian folklore. It is very much targeted at the casual consumer of ancient myths. Its tone is lively and warm (if a bit simplistic). If you're already familiar with the tales and you want to relive them with someone else who also knows and appreciates them, this is a good read. He gets some of the details wrong and doesn't source himself much if at all but, given his overall enthusiasm I think this book works very well for what it is. I'm a lifelong fan of Norse Myths and greatly prefer them over their annoyingly-popular, Greek counterparts. I love to see the looks on the faces of the unindoctrinated when the hear about Thor's treatment of his prized goats and his penchant for dressing in drag. My go-to books for deeper learning on the subject are still The Viking Spirit: An Introduction to Norse Mythology and Religion by Daniel McCoy, Gods and Myths of Northern Europe by H.R. Ellis Davidson and, of course, The Poetic Edda (specifically the Hollander translation). SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 6:18:53 GMT
I've heard of that one, but haven't had time to pick it up as of yet. Were there any parts you liked in particular? Off the top of my head; Yggdrasil and The Nine Realms, Mimir's head and Odin's Eye, The Children of Loki and a few others chapters. Full disclosure; Gaiman's book is not a scholarly work on Norse Mythology. Don't expect lengthy diatribes on the Christianization of Scandinavia or substantive excerpts from the Edda. His book is more of a love letter to Scandinavian folklore. It is very much targeted at the casual consumer of ancient myths. Its tone is lively and warm (if a bit simplistic). If you're already familiar with the tales and you want to relive them with someone else who also knows and appreciates them, this is a good read. He gets some of the details wrong and doesn't source himself much if at all but, given his overall enthusiasm I think this book works very well for what it is. I'm a lifelong fan of Norse Myths and greatly prefer them over their annoyingly-popular, Greek counterparts. I love to see the looks on the faces of the indoctrinated when the hear about Thor's treatment of his goats and his partialness to dressing in drag. My go-to books for deeper learning on the subject are still The Viking Spirit: An Introduction to Norse Mythology and Religion by Daniel McCoy, Gods and Myths of Northern Europe by H.R. Ellis Davidson and, of course, The Poetic Edda (the Hollander translation). SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveThe incident with Thor dressing drag I recall right off the top of my head is that time his hammer was stolen by the giants and he and Loki had to attend a wedding disguised as women to get it back. Oh, how I'd have loved to have seen that in the recent films. Honestly, I don't get why Greek and Roman mythology became more popular, either. Of course, I've had those stories fed to me all my life, so maybe I'm just tired of them as opposed to Norse mythology having only been a major interest for a decade now. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 24, 2017 6:29:28 GMT
Off the top of my head; Yggdrasil and The Nine Realms, Mimir's head and Odin's Eye, The Children of Loki and a few others chapters. Full disclosure; Gaiman's book is not a scholarly work on Norse Mythology. Don't expect lengthy diatribes on the Christianization of Scandinavia or substantive excerpts from the Edda. His book is more of a love letter to Scandinavian folklore. It is very much targeted at the casual consumer of ancient myths. Its tone is lively and warm (if a bit simplistic). If you're already familiar with the tales and you want to relive them with someone else who also knows and appreciates them, this is a good read. He gets some of the details wrong and doesn't source himself much if at all but, given his overall enthusiasm I think this book works very well for what it is. I'm a lifelong fan of Norse Myths and greatly prefer them over their annoyingly-popular, Greek counterparts. I love to see the looks on the faces of the indoctrinated when the hear about Thor's treatment of his goats and his partialness to dressing in drag. My go-to books for deeper learning on the subject are still The Viking Spirit: An Introduction to Norse Mythology and Religion by Daniel McCoy, Gods and Myths of Northern Europe by H.R. Ellis Davidson and, of course, The Poetic Edda (the Hollander translation). SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveThe incident with Thor dressing drag I recall right off the top of my head is that time his hammer was stolen by the giants and he and Loki had to attend a wedding disguised as women to get it back. Oh, how I'd have loved to have seen that in the recent films.Honestly, I don't get why Greek and Roman mythology became more popular, either. Of course, I've had those stories fed to me all my life, so maybe I'm just tired of them as opposed to Norse mythology having only been a major interest for a decade now. Indeed. For me, it's Baldr. I've always wished that Thor's brother - beloved by all of Asgard - could be more meaningfully incorporated into the comic books. In the myths, it is his death that starts the chain of events which lead to Ragnorok. I think it would deepen the connection between Thor and Loki to have the death of Baldr between them. SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 7:02:49 GMT
The incident with Thor dressing drag I recall right off the top of my head is that time his hammer was stolen by the giants and he and Loki had to attend a wedding disguised as women to get it back. Oh, how I'd have loved to have seen that in the recent films.Honestly, I don't get why Greek and Roman mythology became more popular, either. Of course, I've had those stories fed to me all my life, so maybe I'm just tired of them as opposed to Norse mythology having only been a major interest for a decade now. Indeed. For me, it's Baldr. I've always wished that Thor's brother - beloved by all of Asgard - could be more meaningfully incorporated into the comic books. In the myths, it is his death that starts the chain of events which lead to Ragnorok. I think it would deepen the connection between Thor and Loki to have the death of Baldr between them. SaveSaveIt also marked the end of Loki's status as a simple trickster and he became something considerably more sinister. I like Baldr quite a bit, too. While we're at it, I also kinda wish Loki's wife made into the comics and films. Also, ain't Odin in the MCU just about the nicest, cuddliest Odin ever! Hardly the total bag of dicks from the legends. |
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