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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 22, 2021 18:22:49 GMT
That is all.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 22, 2021 18:24:43 GMT
Its reputation is deserved. Even non Star Trek fans can enjoy it.
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Post by onethreetwo on Sept 22, 2021 18:34:10 GMT
It really is.
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Post by wmcclain on Sept 22, 2021 22:16:09 GMT
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982), directed by Nicholas Meyer. Hysterically happy opening night audience. This was more like it! Better uniforms, great villain, tie-in to the original series, and even some humor. This begins a three-film story arc. I forget what happens after that. Something about diplomats and God. The Enterprise is exceptionally military in this one. There is some precedent, but I think it is too much. Ricardo Montalban just lives the role. Probably the most experienced actor and the one who would actually take direction, dialing it back to make a better, more sinister performance. Shatner on the other hand: you just had to wear him down until he was too tired to over-act. Notes: - Introducing Kirstie Alley. I remember some back story that Saavik was supposed to be part Romulan.
- Khan's crew look ridiculous, like they wandered in from the beach.
- The space battles are a worthy example of just how much damage such things would do...
- ... but Scotty's emotion over the death of a trainee is out of place. Deleted scenes had the kid as his nephew or something.
- A young woman of my acquaintance complained about Carol Marcus's comment on the edenic Genesis results: "Can I cook, or can't I?" She said: "That's sexist". I explained the advanced film concept of "humor" to her.
- What was that deadly plasma-fountain thing Spock stuck his face in when rescuing the ship? One of the worst features of Star Trek is the constant invention of Engineering Dept infrastructure.
- James Horner score, building on previous themes. Meyer told him: "Don't try to compete with Jerry Goldsmith".
- "Amazing Grace" isn't right for Spock's funeral. I'm not sure what I would use.
- A Tale of Two Cities is a small book. Maybe that was the large print, illustrated edition.
- Notice Khan had two copies of Paradise Lost on his shelf? That's right...
Available on Blu-ray with two commentaries by the director. His comments are a bit disconcerting. I'm sure he knows his craft, although he hasn't done that many films and this was only his second. He wasn't a science fiction guy and thought this would be best done as a submarine movie in space. He had never seen any Star Trek and was astonished to find the entire studio crew weeping at Spock's death scene. He apologizes for the Genesis planet matte paintings and for the decor in Spock's quarters. 
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Post by brandomarlon2003 on Sept 23, 2021 4:29:21 GMT
Excellent score too.
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Post by jonesjxd on Sept 24, 2021 0:59:12 GMT
Really, really good.
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Post by drystyx on Sept 24, 2021 1:39:19 GMT
I remember how much most of us liked it, but I also remember that we liked it because we were subconsciously comparing it to "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", so you see how that goes.
Would it have been so good if not compared to Star Trek the Motion Picture? That comparison made it leap two of ten points for most ratings.
On its own it's probably just a 7/10 movie, which is still good. But it wasn't nearly as fascinating or as good as III Search For Spock, nor as good theater and character development as V Final Frontier, easily the two best of the film series.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Sept 24, 2021 5:00:04 GMT
It's the best film of the early 80s as far as I'm concerned. A good story, strong performances all round (including from Shatner of all people!), beautiful visuals, a terrific score, classy uniforms, some interesting themes involving around aging and death and an iconic ending. An absolute classic.
10/10
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Post by mgmarshall on Sept 24, 2021 5:03:27 GMT
I agree.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Sept 24, 2021 5:06:31 GMT
I remember how much most of us liked it, but I also remember that we liked it because we were subconsciously comparing it to "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", so you see how that goes. Would it have been so good if not compared to Star Trek the Motion Picture? That comparison made it leap two of ten points for most ratings. On its own it's probably just a 7/10 movie, which is still good. But it wasn't nearly as fascinating or as good as III Search For Spock, nor as good theater and character development as V Final Frontier, easily the two best of the film series. I watched the movie for the first time in 1997, having not yet seen The Motion Picture (they were a bit before my time), but I've always regarded them as two wonderful alternative examples of how to translate Trek onto the big screen. The Motion Picture is a visually and musically stunning science fiction epic, while The Wrath of Khan is a more character and action-oriented sci-fi spectacle with its own unique and highly affecting musical character. Both are masterpieces are far as I'm concerned - unpopular though that opinion may be. The Search for Spock is a movie I do like, but it suffers from Nimoy's rather pedestrian direction (he improves later), episodic and, dare I say, studio-bound feel to the Genesis Planet sets and the fact that the movie essentially exists in order to undo the events of its illustrious predecessor. The Final Frontier has some great character moments and another epic soundtrack. Too bad about the story - or at least its execution. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - which appears to me to have been heavily influenced this film - handled the Evil God concept much more effectively. Though budgetary and technological factors likely helped in that department.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Sept 24, 2021 5:25:25 GMT
I like it but its not my favorite Star Trek film.
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