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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Sept 28, 2021 15:54:17 GMT
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Sept 28, 2021 16:00:16 GMT
This would be against his nature - But I'd love for years from now he comes out and destroys Belichick I wonder if Belichick would be on the hot seat this year if they fail to make the playoffs - especially after the money they spent Does he get a pass for all the Super Bowls for another year since he's dealing with a rookie QB or does Kraft see they made a huge mistake and it was Tom who made Bill and not the other way around and Bill shockingly gets axed?
I'd be assuming Bill gets to go out on his own terms in terms of how his departure is labeled, no?
Like - he's being pushed out the door and it's labeled as 'Mutually Parting Ways' and he's given the opportunity to resign - when technically it's a firing
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Post by masterofallgoons on Sept 28, 2021 16:18:37 GMT
Is the broken link the whole point?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 28, 2021 16:21:03 GMT
This would be against his nature - But I'd love for years from now he comes out and destroys Belichick I wonder if Belichick would be on the hot seat this year if they fail to make the playoffs - especially after the money they spent Does he get a pass for all the Super Bowls for another year since he's dealing with a rookie QB or does Kraft see they made a huge mistake and it was Tom who made Bill and not the other way around and Bill shockingly gets axed?
I'd be assuming Bill gets to go out on his own terms in terms of how his departure is labeled, no?
Like - he's being pushed out the door and it's labeled as 'Mutually Parting Ways' and he's given the opportunity to resign - when technically it's a firing
He's dealing with a rookie QB because that's the way he wanted it. There aren't anymore excuses to be made. Belichick has no one to blame but himself for his failure. The bad news is I'm assuming we top out at 6 wins this season and that still won't get him fired. We'll have to suffer through one more season of losing before Kraft finally gives him the boot.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Sept 28, 2021 16:55:08 GMT
Is the broken link the whole point? Sorry about that. I posted a revised link.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Sept 28, 2021 16:58:03 GMT
This would be against his nature - But I'd love for years from now he comes out and destroys Belichick I wonder if Belichick would be on the hot seat this year if they fail to make the playoffs - especially after the money they spent Does he get a pass for all the Super Bowls for another year since he's dealing with a rookie QB or does Kraft see they made a huge mistake and it was Tom who made Bill and not the other way around and Bill shockingly gets axed?
I'd be assuming Bill gets to go out on his own terms in terms of how his departure is labeled, no?
Like - he's being pushed out the door and it's labeled as 'Mutually Parting Ways' and he's given the opportunity to resign - when technically it's a firing
For me, I think the better question is who out there would be better than Bill. I mean they are rebuilding regardless. So who helps them rebuild better and faster. As a Patriots fan, I miss Tom Brady, but what's done is done. We went with Bill. They minus well give him a few years to see what he can really do.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Sept 28, 2021 17:01:34 GMT
This would be against his nature - But I'd love for years from now he comes out and destroys Belichick I wonder if Belichick would be on the hot seat this year if they fail to make the playoffs - especially after the money they spent Does he get a pass for all the Super Bowls for another year since he's dealing with a rookie QB or does Kraft see they made a huge mistake and it was Tom who made Bill and not the other way around and Bill shockingly gets axed?
I'd be assuming Bill gets to go out on his own terms in terms of how his departure is labeled, no?
Like - he's being pushed out the door and it's labeled as 'Mutually Parting Ways' and he's given the opportunity to resign - when technically it's a firing
He's dealing with a rookie QB because that's the way he wanted it. There aren't anymore excuses to be made. Belichick has no one to blame but himself for his failure. The bad news is I'm assuming we top out at 6 wins this season and that still won't get him fired. We'll have to suffer through one more season of losing before Kraft finally gives him the boot. For me it really depends on how badly they lose. I knew that after losing Brady things would be bad. There's no way to replicate that with anyone else. There was always gonna be a rebuilding period no matter who came in next as QB. If Bill just gets absolutely annihilated this season and next season then I think it might be time for a change. However, if he can keep them relatively competitive and improving I think we should stick with him.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Sept 28, 2021 17:11:10 GMT
For me, I think the better question is who out there would be better than Bill. I mean they are rebuilding regardless. So who helps them rebuild better and faster. As a Patriots fan, I miss Tom Brady, but what's done is done. We went with Bill. They minus well give him a few years to see what he can really do. I've got the answer.
This guy right here.
Why not?
A New England Legend.
Who else better to tutor Mac?
Knows the position, game - why not try something outside the box instead of recycling the same old same old.
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Post by sdm3 on Sept 28, 2021 20:20:27 GMT
This would be against his nature - But I'd love for years from now he comes out and destroys Belichick I wonder if Belichick would be on the hot seat this year if they fail to make the playoffs - especially after the money they spent Does he get a pass for all the Super Bowls for another year since he's dealing with a rookie QB or does Kraft see they made a huge mistake and it was Tom who made Bill and not the other way around and Bill shockingly gets axed?
I'd be assuming Bill gets to go out on his own terms in terms of how his departure is labeled, no?
Like - he's being pushed out the door and it's labeled as 'Mutually Parting Ways' and he's given the opportunity to resign - when technically it's a firing
He's dealing with a rookie QB because that's the way he wanted it. There aren't anymore excuses to be made. Belichick has no one to blame but himself for his failure. The bad news is I'm assuming we top out at 6 wins this season and that still won't get him fired. We'll have to suffer through one more season of losing before Kraft finally gives him the boot. You know I’m not asking this to be confrontational, and I respect that you’re not going to change your opinion of Belichick at this point - short of a couple more Super Bowls - but I am curious about this “failure” you mentioned. What is this latest failure, specifically? I mean what has he failed at? The post-Brady era? Are we really ready to call it a failure after one year and three weeks? Was he supposed to be working on Ring #9 by now? Is that what Kraft’s expectations were for 2021-2022? I’m just wondering why you think he’d really fire Belichick. I get that expectations are different for Patriots fans (at least, they must be given your hatred of Belichick) but is their season really such a disaster already? |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Sept 28, 2021 20:28:18 GMT
He's dealing with a rookie QB because that's the way he wanted it. There aren't anymore excuses to be made. Belichick has no one to blame but himself for his failure. The bad news is I'm assuming we top out at 6 wins this season and that still won't get him fired. We'll have to suffer through one more season of losing before Kraft finally gives him the boot. You know I’m not asking this to be confrontational, and I respect that you’re not going to change your opinion of Belichick at this point - short of a couple more Super Bowls - but I am curious about this “failure” you mentioned. What is this latest failure, specifically? I mean what has he failed at? The post-Brady era? Are we really ready to call it a failure after one year and three weeks? Was he supposed to be working on Ring #9 by now? Is that what Kraft’s expectations were for 2021-2022? I’m just wondering why you think he’d really fire Belichick. I get that expectations are different for Patriots fans (at least, they must be given your hatred of Belichick) but is their season really such a disaster already? If he was behind signing Agholor and Mills - two of the most disliked Eagles in recent memory - well......
I just can't defend that......
To be fair - I don't even know how they're playing this year - but I'm assuming they blow up there too
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 28, 2021 23:52:51 GMT
He's dealing with a rookie QB because that's the way he wanted it. There aren't anymore excuses to be made. Belichick has no one to blame but himself for his failure. The bad news is I'm assuming we top out at 6 wins this season and that still won't get him fired. We'll have to suffer through one more season of losing before Kraft finally gives him the boot. You know I’m not asking this to be confrontational, and I respect that you’re not going to change your opinion of Belichick at this point - short of a couple more Super Bowls - but I am curious about this “failure” you mentioned. What is this latest failure, specifically? I mean what has he failed at? The post-Brady era? Are we really ready to call it a failure after one year and three weeks? Was he supposed to be working on Ring #9 by now? Is that what Kraft’s expectations were for 2021-2022? I’m just wondering why you think he’d really fire Belichick. I get that expectations are different for Patriots fans (at least, they must be given your hatred of Belichick) but is their season really such a disaster already? 7-9 last season, 1-2 this season. That isn't a failure for the greatest coach of all time? Every season he has without Brady is a failure. He wins significantly fewer games and has not been to the playoffs in New England without Tom Brady. He's only finished with a winning record twice and had one playoff berth in 8 years of being a head coach without Brady as his starter. You ask why it's a failure, how would it be a success?! 7-9, 1-2. Do you think Kraft's expectations were 7-9? If I'm right about this season and they top out at 6 wins, do you think Kraft will think this season was a success? The 'greatest coach of all time' can't even field a competitive team when without Brady; again this has been proven throughout his career, even right here in New England. I guarantee Kraft expected to make the playoffs. No way he lets Brady walk if he thought Belichick would shit the bed like this. He drank the kool-aid like everyone else, and it's coming back to bite him in the ass. This season is a disaster because it's a continuation of everything that came before. The real GOAT is still winning titles in another city while we're saddled with this fraudulent piece of shit who can't coach his way out of a paper bag. Belichick is 64-76 overall without Brady, 27-30 in NE. When does the greatness arrive, how many years of failure do you need to see before you're willing to admit the obvious? Seriously, is this the screamingtreefrogs school of expectations? "Well he's clearly a great coach, maybe after years of futility, they go 11-6 and make it to the divisional round in 2024. That'll prove his greatness once and for all."
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Post by sdm3 on Sept 29, 2021 5:54:41 GMT
You know I’m not asking this to be confrontational, and I respect that you’re not going to change your opinion of Belichick at this point - short of a couple more Super Bowls - but I am curious about this “failure” you mentioned. What is this latest failure, specifically? I mean what has he failed at? The post-Brady era? Are we really ready to call it a failure after one year and three weeks? Was he supposed to be working on Ring #9 by now? Is that what Kraft’s expectations were for 2021-2022? I’m just wondering why you think he’d really fire Belichick. I get that expectations are different for Patriots fans (at least, they must be given your hatred of Belichick) but is their season really such a disaster already? You ask why it's a failure, how would it be a success?! 7-9, 1-2. Why does it have to be either a failure or a success? It's one year and three weeks. Would it prove that he "can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag?" Talk about Frogs-level hot takes. You spend all this time complaining that he isn't making the playoffs with a shit roster (let's separate Bill the GM from Bill the Coach here) then right away act like "only" making the divisional round a few seasons from now isn't good enough. More Super Bowls!! More!!! He can only be the Greatest Head Coach ever or the biggest piece of shit who ever lived!!
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 29, 2021 12:15:32 GMT
You ask why it's a failure, how would it be a success?! 7-9, 1-2. Why does it have to be either a failure or a success? It's one year and three weeks. Would it prove that he "can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag?" Talk about Frogs-level hot takes. You spend all this time complaining that he isn't making the playoffs with a shit roster (let's separate Bill the GM from Bill the Coach here) then right away act like "only" making the divisional round a few seasons from now isn't good enough. More Super Bowls!! More!!! He can only be the Greatest Head Coach ever or the biggest piece of shit who ever lived!! It isn't one year and three weeks. It's eight years of failure without Tom Brady, going on nine. No, I won't separate Bill the GM from Bill the coach because you and everybody else won't when he gets something right. Anytime anything goes right for this organization it's because Belichick is playing 12D chess. Anytime something goes wrong, it's somebody else's fault. We're assessing Belichick's career here, why do you insist on discounting everything that came before? 19 games don't define his career, 8 seasons plus without Tom Brady is a pretty good indicator. Belichick is a career failure without Tom Brady, this is inarguable. More recently, he built a shit roster because he knew he could lean on Brady to keep them competitive, and he did. 12-4 with the same garbage roster in 2019. Brady leaves, they go 7-9. This isn't an anomaly, it tracks with Belichick's coaching history. And no, making the divisional round five years after Brady left town would not be considered a success for 'the greatest coach of all time.' How could you even think that? Four losing seasons and a mediocre season to cap it off would prove he was great? Eight teams make it to the divisional round every year, I guess they better start making room in Canton. Belichick is a fraud. He got caught trying to cheat the system multiple times, and when Brady was accused of the same thing, Belichick threw him under the bus. Belichick was found guilty while Brady has since been exonerated. Belichick spent years barking out mantras about staying focused on the task at hand, not making excuses and never looking back; until Brady left. Then it was nothing but excuses and babbling about his record over the last 20 years (more like Brady's record) as he stumbled his way through yet another losing season. He had his friends in the press make up stories about how they installed an offense that fit Brady's strengths. Brady can do anything, it took Belichick seven years to figure that out, then he tries to steal credit for Brady's success. Brady got the last laugh as he cruised to a Super Bowl title with a team that hadn't been to the playoffs since 2007 and hadn't even had a winning record since 2016. So desperate was Belichick to save face that he broke the bank this offseason in free agency, something he never did when he had the greatest QB of all time playing at a discount. And so far all that spending has gotten him nothing. Could they turn it around this year? Anything's possible. But Belichick's track record strongly suggests it's unlikely. Belichick is 64-76 overall without Brady, 27-30 in NE. If that's your definition of good coaching, let alone the greatest of all time, so be it. If five years of losing football followed by a run to the divisional round would prove to you that he's great, I don't know what to say. My judgment of his coaching ability isn't condensed into a conveniently arguable sample size, I'm looking at his career in its entirety. And without Brady, he has always been, and remains, a terrible head coach.
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Post by sdm3 on Sept 29, 2021 13:04:47 GMT
Why does it have to be either a failure or a success? It's one year and three weeks. Would it prove that he "can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag?" Talk about Frogs-level hot takes. You spend all this time complaining that he isn't making the playoffs with a shit roster (let's separate Bill the GM from Bill the Coach here) then right away act like "only" making the divisional round a few seasons from now isn't good enough. More Super Bowls!! More!!! He can only be the Greatest Head Coach ever or the biggest piece of shit who ever lived!! If five years of losing football followed by a run to the divisional round would prove to you that he's great, I don't know what to say. Over the years, your opinion of Belichick has gone from "that's the greatness of Belichick" to "I think he's overrated but he's a capable coach; he's not Freddie Kitchens" to "he's a terrible, shitty, incompetent coach." That's a big leap (which I maintain is ludicrous hyperbole) - but I didn't say "a run to the divisional round would prove to me that he's great." What I asked you was: given your opinion of Belichick as a "terrible, shitty, incompetent coach", would that change at all if he were to coach this roster up to a unit that's competitive and makes the divisional round? Forget whether that's my standard of great coaching, because it's not - is that your standard of "terrible, shitty, incompetent" coaching? That's what I'm asking. Is there any scenario for Belichick and the Pats that would make you say "perhaps he's not quite as awful as I said before"? Is it only more Super Bowls? Keep in mind I'm not asking you to bow at the guy's feet and call him the GOAT - is he still one of the worst coaches ever if he can eventually improve this team - in your words, a crap roster - to a playoff team? Without Tom Brady? That's all.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 29, 2021 14:31:21 GMT
If five years of losing football followed by a run to the divisional round would prove to you that he's great, I don't know what to say. Over the years, your opinion of Belichick has gone from "that's the greatness of Belichick" to "I think he's overrated but he's a capable coach; he's not Freddie Kitchens" to "he's a terrible, shitty, incompetent coach." That's a big leap (which I maintain is ludicrous hyperbole) - but I didn't say "a run to the divisional round would prove to me that he's great." What I asked you was: given your opinion of Belichick as a "terrible, shitty, incompetent coach", would that change at all if he were to coach this roster up to a unit that's competitive and makes the divisional round? Forget whether that's my standard of great coaching, because it's not - is that your standard of "terrible, shitty, incompetent" coaching? That's what I'm asking. Is there any scenario for Belichick and the Pats that would make you say "perhaps he's not quite as awful as I said before"? Is it only more Super Bowls? Keep in mind I'm not asking you to bow at the guy's feet and call him the GOAT - is he still one of the worst coaches ever if he can eventually improve this team - in your words, a crap roster - to a playoff team? Without Tom Brady? That's all. I've been bitching about Belichick since the old IMdb board. The few times I've actually tried to be positive (like that post I made leading up to Super Bowl 52 that you dug up), he's immediately shit the bed. (Where was the genius of Belichick in that game? Because the genius of Brady was sure as hell evident.) And yes my opinion of him has declined as he's continued to lose more and more games. Is that a surprise? Should I be going the other way? "I used to think Belichick was a hack. But after another losing season, I need to reassess." Anyone can have a winning season. Anyone can fall into a title, look at the fucking Eagles. What have they done before or since? They shit canned their coach two years later, do you think Doug Pederson is great? You think one successful season proves a coach is competent. I'll say it again, eight teams make the divisional round every season, do you think all of those coaches are great? Sustained success, or at least sustained improvement shows a coach's ability. Belichick has never accomplished either without Tom Brady. Again, the results are in, this isn't an opinion. Five years in Cleveland, four losing records and one playoff berth. Fired. Comes to NE, 5-11 the first year, starts off 0-2 the next season, enter Brady, the rest is history. Brady gets injured, they go from 16-0 to 11-5 and miss the playoffs (a five game drop. Five games isn't significant? With a loaded team primed for a title?!). Eleven consecutive division titles, Brady exits, 7-9 and out of the playoffs. The team gets worse every time Belichick is left to his own devices. How do you explain that? So regarding your question, what would it take for me to change my mind? Not multiple Super Bowls. Sustained moderate success and improvement. That's all I ask. 10-6 (I guess 10-7 now) in back to back years would be amazing. Maybe a few years with a winning record and (dare I dream) eventually a playoff appearance without Tom Brady-- something he hasn't done since 1994. It's a pretty low bar for a guy everyone says is the greatest of all time. Your entire argument is framed as if we're talking about some upstart just coming into the league. "Hey, give the guy a chance." Eight years plus without Brady, the results are in. 64-76, 27-30 in NE didn't happen by accident. That's it, that's all I ask. A few consecutive seasons with double digit wins and I might see him as at least competent at his job without Tom Brady. My question for you: How many losing seasons before you admit he's a fraud? That the Patriots culture that beat the Colts and everyone else, time and again, was built by the greatest QB of all time, setting the tone on and off the field (as he did, instantly, for Tampa last year), and not the bumbling moron who's never accomplished anything before or after Brady was his QB?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 29, 2021 14:41:27 GMT
If five years of losing football followed by a run to the divisional round would prove to you that he's great, I don't know what to say. Over the years, your opinion of Belichick has gone from "that's the greatness of Belichick" to "I think he's overrated but he's a capable coach; he's not Freddie Kitchens" to "he's a terrible, shitty, incompetent coach." That's a big leap (which I maintain is ludicrous hyperbole) - but I didn't say "a run to the divisional round would prove to me that he's great." What I asked you was: given your opinion of Belichick as a "terrible, shitty, incompetent coach", would that change at all if he were to coach this roster up to a unit that's competitive and makes the divisional round? Forget whether that's my standard of great coaching, because it's not - is that your standard of "terrible, shitty, incompetent" coaching? That's what I'm asking. Is there any scenario for Belichick and the Pats that would make you say "perhaps he's not quite as awful as I said before"? Is it only more Super Bowls? Keep in mind I'm not asking you to bow at the guy's feet and call him the GOAT - is he still one of the worst coaches ever if he can eventually improve this team - in your words, a crap roster - to a playoff team? Without Tom Brady? That's all. And it was a crap roster in 2019 & 2020. (Though again it went from 12-4 with Brady to 7-9 without him.) They're much better this year on paper. We'll see how this season shakes out, not off to a stellar start.
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Post by sdm3 on Sept 29, 2021 14:55:48 GMT
Over the years, your opinion of Belichick has gone from "that's the greatness of Belichick" to "I think he's overrated but he's a capable coach; he's not Freddie Kitchens" to "he's a terrible, shitty, incompetent coach." That's a big leap (which I maintain is ludicrous hyperbole) - but I didn't say "a run to the divisional round would prove to me that he's great." What I asked you was: given your opinion of Belichick as a "terrible, shitty, incompetent coach", would that change at all if he were to coach this roster up to a unit that's competitive and makes the divisional round? Forget whether that's my standard of great coaching, because it's not - is that your standard of "terrible, shitty, incompetent" coaching? That's what I'm asking. Is there any scenario for Belichick and the Pats that would make you say "perhaps he's not quite as awful as I said before"? Is it only more Super Bowls? Keep in mind I'm not asking you to bow at the guy's feet and call him the GOAT - is he still one of the worst coaches ever if he can eventually improve this team - in your words, a crap roster - to a playoff team? Without Tom Brady? That's all. And yes my opinion of him has declined as he's continued to lose more and more games. Is that a surprise? That it's declined is not a surprise - the extent to which it's declined is a surprise. "Terrible, shitty, incompetent" is clearly an exaggeration. "Terrible, shitty, incompetent" coaches don't go 7-9 with crap rosters. It's a QB-driven league, and Cam was one of the worst QBs in the league last year! "Terrible, shitty, incompetent" coaches with terrible QBs and terrible rosters don't win 7 games; they win between 0 and 2 if they're lucky. And I'll say it again: no. I think they're demonstrably not "terrible, shitty, incompetent" coaches, though. If Belichick at least makes the divisional round with Mac Jones or whoever it is, how is he not at least competent? If the Mac era is an abject failure and Belichick retires without achieving a winning season post-Brady - maybe I'll entertain the thought. A miserable retirement is what it'll take though, because Kraft won't fire Belichick.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 29, 2021 15:48:55 GMT
And yes my opinion of him has declined as he's continued to lose more and more games. Is that a surprise? That it's declined is not a surprise - the extent to which it's declined is a surprise. "Terrible, shitty, incompetent" is clearly an exaggeration. "Terrible, shitty, incompetent" coaches don't go 7-9 with crap rosters. It's a QB-driven league, and Cam was one of the worst QBs in the league last year! "Terrible, shitty, incompetent" coaches with terrible QBs and terrible rosters don't win 7 games; they win between 0 and 2 if they're lucky. And I'll say it again: no. I think they're demonstrably not "terrible, shitty, incompetent" coaches, though. If Belichick at least makes the divisional round with Mac Jones or whoever it is, how is he not at least competent? If the Mac era is an abject failure and Belichick retires without achieving a winning season post-Brady - maybe I'll entertain the thought. A miserable retirement is what it'll take though, because Kraft won't fire Belichick. Greatest of all time is clearly an exaggeration. Great is clearly an exaggeration. Good is clearly an exaggeration. How is a career losing record without one player not shitty and incompetent? Incompetent coaches go 7-9 and miss the playoffs on a regular basis, regardless of talent. That's Belichick's MO. Have you seen the Patriots roster in 2000? Loads of talent. He went 5-11 with that team. He went 0-2 in 2001, until Brady stepped in and suddenly he figured out how to coach. (Don't blame Bledsoe, he went to the pro bowl with Buffalo after the Pats traded him). It's been established then, two winning records (One of those seasons was a stacked team infused with Brady's DNA and a culture of winning that had won 18 straight games and lost the Super Bowl in the closing minutes the previous season. Belichick still managed a 5 game drop in regular season performance-- with a QB who put up good numbers and later went to a pro bowl with another team, no Cam Newton argument here-- and missed the playoffs. That seems really hard to accomplish.) and making the playoffs once in eight seasons isn't terrible to you. I guess I have higher standards. Now you're arguing semantics and what you see as hyperbole on my part, and I still disagree. Making the divisional round with Mac Jones after four years of losing doesn't make him competent (and it's a hypothetical anyway)? That would be two playoff appearances in 13 seasons without Brady. Again, that's competent to you? But this is where we are now. The argument used to be "Brady/Belichick, who gets the majority of the credit?" After last year, the argument is suddenly, "Belichick is at least competent, right?" The sad part is how low we both have to place the bar to prove our point. All I want is a few winning seasons and a playoff appearance. Doesn't seem like a big ask for the greatest coach of all time. Literally all Belichick has to do to prove to you he's a decent coach is have one winning season. As it stands, Belichick has as many winning seasons without Tom Brady as Rich Kotite. And all it'll take is one more to show you he belongs in the conversation with the greats. Err, he's at least competent. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
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Post by sdm3 on Sept 29, 2021 15:59:43 GMT
That it's declined is not a surprise - the extent to which it's declined is a surprise. "Terrible, shitty, incompetent" is clearly an exaggeration. "Terrible, shitty, incompetent" coaches don't go 7-9 with crap rosters. It's a QB-driven league, and Cam was one of the worst QBs in the league last year! "Terrible, shitty, incompetent" coaches with terrible QBs and terrible rosters don't win 7 games; they win between 0 and 2 if they're lucky. And I'll say it again: no. I think they're demonstrably not "terrible, shitty, incompetent" coaches, though. If Belichick at least makes the divisional round with Mac Jones or whoever it is, how is he not at least competent? If the Mac era is an abject failure and Belichick retires without achieving a winning season post-Brady - maybe I'll entertain the thought. A miserable retirement is what it'll take though, because Kraft won't fire Belichick. The argument used to be "Brady/Belichick, who gets the majority of the credit?" After last year, the argument is suddenly, "Belichick is at least competent, right?" The sad part is how low we both have to place the bar to prove our point. All I want is a few winning seasons and a playoff appearance. Doesn't seem like a big ask for the greatest coach of all time. Literally all Belichick has to do to prove to you he's a decent coach is have one winning season. As it stands, Belichick has as many winning seasons without Tom Brady as Rich Kotite. And all it'll take is one more to show you he belongs in the conversation with the greats. Err, he's at least competent. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. It's funny when you put it like that - but no. I already know he's at least competent (to put it mildly); I've seen bad coaching in the NFL. What I was trying to find out is what it'll take for you to raise your opinion of him, and now I know. Let's revisit this in 2024. Will you remember?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 29, 2021 16:19:27 GMT
The argument used to be "Brady/Belichick, who gets the majority of the credit?" After last year, the argument is suddenly, "Belichick is at least competent, right?" The sad part is how low we both have to place the bar to prove our point. All I want is a few winning seasons and a playoff appearance. Doesn't seem like a big ask for the greatest coach of all time. Literally all Belichick has to do to prove to you he's a decent coach is have one winning season. As it stands, Belichick has as many winning seasons without Tom Brady as Rich Kotite. And all it'll take is one more to show you he belongs in the conversation with the greats. Err, he's at least competent. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. It's funny when you put it like that - but no. I already know he's at least competent (to put it mildly); I've seen bad coaching in the NFL. What I was trying to find out is what it'll take for you to raise your opinion of him, and now I know. Let's revisit this in 2024. Will you remember? I'm not going to remember a conversation I had with some rando on the sports board. What kind of a psycho do you take me for? (And if I'm really lucky, you can talk trash all day as I'm buying championship swag online.)
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