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Post by Sophiefoxx on Sept 28, 2021 18:19:18 GMT
soooo.. bc it's such a slow day overhere, i spontaneously went to see Dune - Part One (2021) in the theatre this afternoon all by myself after a long walk through the city. i'm still processing all my thoughts but so far i can say, i'm not disappointed and can't wait for Part Two.
it's VERY dark which i liked a lot and the production design, the cast, the visual effects and the soundtrack are superb. watching it on the big screen was a great experience imo and Dune should be watched on the big screen only, at least for the first time viewing. it's so made for it.
however, it's very cool and aloof, too, with no emotional moments or anything which made it hard to connect with any of the characters on a personal level. but that's okay, the pitch black dark atmosphere made up for it.
what impressed me the most was the pacing, Villeneuve sure knows how to handle film language. the movie looks stunningly and jaw droppingly ultra cool! with that said, if part 2 had been available i would gladly have watched it immediately after part 1.
fuck yes
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 28, 2021 19:15:25 GMT
I’m looking forward to seeing it.
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Post by rudeboy on Sept 29, 2021 7:25:21 GMT
I enjoyed it a lot. I do feel that Villeneuve cut some corners - one particular key plotline from the book was cut, which I feel was a mistake. But visually and aurally it was a treat, and the cast was mostly fine. 7/10
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Post by Sophiefoxx on Sept 29, 2021 9:07:23 GMT
I enjoyed it a lot. I do feel that Villeneuve cut some corners - one particular key plotline from the book was cut, which I feel was a mistake. But visually and aurally it was a treat, and the cast was mostly fine. 7/10 i haven't read the books, but i reaaally want to now. i've heard the saga has a massive "historical" and philosophical backdrop. that said, i've seen Lynch's Dune and the mini-series from 2000 before, and yes, i missed one particular character in Villeneuve's Dune.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 29, 2021 14:21:59 GMT
I have doubts about if they'll be a part two. I think it's simultaneous HBO Max release will lead to a crappy North American box office haul, which will put the kibosh on a sequel. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Sophiefoxx on Sept 29, 2021 16:30:58 GMT
I have doubts about if they'll be a part two. I think it's simultaneous HBO Max release will lead to a crappy North American box office haul, which will put the kibosh on a sequel. I hope I'm wrong. but it's not a sequel, Part Two will cover the second part of the source material, "Dune". if they don't make the second part, it ends up being an unfinished project and no one wants that, least of all Villeneuve who is directly involved as producer with his production company, Villeneuve Films. i think the 2nd part totally will get green lit, the making is just gonna take a while, 3, maybe 4 years.
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Post by Vits on Oct 1, 2021 10:20:18 GMT
Choosing names for fictional people and objects in sci-fi/fantasy stories is a tight rope. Your audience will have a hard time remembering them if they're too complicated to pronounce or if they're mundane and uninteresting. And if they're too far-fetched, your audience will dismiss them as silly and laugh. DUNE 1984 suffers from this problem. Sure, the lore comes from Frank Herbert's novel, but this adaptation deserves some of the blame. It presents the information in a way that requires viewers to take notes. You see, there's a feud between House Atreides and House Karkonnen on Planet Arrakis. It's inhabitants include Piter de Vries, Thufir Hawat, Princess Irulan Corrino, Sayyadina Ramallo, Stilgar, Captain Iakin Nefud, Gurney Halleck, Feyd-Rautha, Chani Kynes and Otheym. And who's the hero at the center of it all? The one who might defeat the Sardaukar? The one who must pass the Gom Jabbar test? The one who might become the Kwisatz Haderach? Drumroll... It's Paul. Ummm... Really? And who's the main villain? Jeff? While I was watching the movie, I was reminded of STAR WARS. No, not because of A NEW HOPE or THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (even though the intention was to recreate the success of those films with a new outer space franchise), but rather THE PHANTOM MENACE: So much time is spent on characters discussing politics or the socio-economic landscape to the point of boredom. I was ready to praise the actors for delivering those lines seriously, since it's a sign that they respect the material despite knowing that many would consider this genre to be inferior. However, I eventually noticed that they talk the same way even when they're supposed to be emoting. I know that's part of writer/director David Lynch's style, but he usually applies it to surreal stories that occur in an everyday environment in order to generate a sense of unease. Even though the setting here is entirely fictional, the plot isn't designed to have an unusual atmosphere. Therefore, the end result is a lifeless product. 4/10 The actors in DUNE 2021 also deliver their lines seriously. The difference is that they're are instructed to display more emotions (Rebecca Ferguson seems to struggle, but only in some scenes) and that the characters were designed to be invested in what they do and say. In fact, my favorite scene happens at the beginning: Leto (Paul's father) is given an offer by a messenger. Instead of simply saying "I accept," he spends several seconds talking about the values that he and his people believe in. Details like this don't move the story forward, but they absorb the viewer into the fictional world. Neither adaptation of the novel has the right pacing that the plot requires. Even though the second one is better overall, I still claim that the first one has more personality. The locations looked like sets, but they were inventive and distinctive enough to be told apart. The CGI effects haven't aged well, but the practical effects have. They brought some unique creatures to life. Here, between the limited color palette and the preference for realism over extravagance, most of the locations blend together. Cinematographer Greig Fraser does a good job in every scene, except for the one where a giant sandworm appears right in front of Paul. It seems like the viewer is expected to pay attention to the creature's details, based on the shot composition, but the bad lighting is an obstacle. In case you're wondering: No, I don't want to speculate on whether the first attempt at bringing this story to the big screen (as told in the entertaining documentary JODOWOSKY'S DUNE) would've been the best version. Too many variables. 6/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 19, 2021 5:29:11 GMT
I don't think it's legal to dislike a Villeneuve movie, so I'll keep this cordial. The cinematography and production design are great as always, but the film ended just as it was getting interesting for me. Considering the film is 2 and a half hours long, make of that what you will.
Also, maybe it was just my theater, but I had trouble understanding some of the dialogue.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Oct 19, 2021 6:01:35 GMT
Choosing names for fictional people and objects in sci-fi/fantasy stories is a tight rope. Your audience will have a hard time remembering them if they're too complicated to pronounce or if they're mundane and uninteresting. And if they're too far-fetched, your audience will dismiss them as silly and laugh. DUNE 1984 suffers from this problem. Sure, the lore comes from Frank Herbert's novel, but this adaptation deserves some of the blame. It presents the information in a way that requires viewers to take notes. You see, there's a feud between House Atreides and House Karkonnen on Planet Arrakis. It's inhabitants include Piter de Vries, Thufir Hawat, Princess Irulan Corrino, Sayyadina Ramallo, Stilgar, Captain Iakin Nefud, Gurney Halleck, Feyd-Rautha, Chani Kynes and Otheym. And who's the hero at the center of it all? The one who might defeat the Sardaukar? The one who must pass the Gom Jabbar test? The one who might become the Kwisatz Haderach? Drumroll... It's Paul. Ummm... Really? And who's the main villain? Jeff? While I was watching the movie, I was reminded of STAR WARS. No, not because of A NEW HOPE or THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (even though the intention was to recreate the success of those films with a new outer space franchise), but rather THE PHANTOM MENACE: So much time is spent on characters discussing politics or the socio-economic landscape to the point of boredom. I was ready to praise the actors for delivering those lines seriously, since it's a sign that they respect the material despite knowing that many would consider this genre to be inferior. However, I eventually noticed that they talk the same way even when they're supposed to be emoting. I know that's part of writer/director David Lynch's style, but he usually applies it to surreal stories that occur in an everyday environment in order to generate a sense of unease. Even though the setting here is entirely fictional, the plot isn't designed to have an unusual atmosphere. Therefore, the end result is a lifeless product. 4/10 The actors in DUNE 2021 also deliver their lines seriously. The difference is that they're are instructed to display more emotions (Rebecca Ferguson seems to struggle, but only in some scenes) and that the characters were designed to be invested in what they do and say. In fact, my favorite scene happens at the beginning: Leto (Paul's father) is given an offer by a messenger. Instead of simply saying "I accept," he spends several seconds talking about the values that he and his people believe in. Details like this don't move the story forward, but they absorb the viewer into the fictional world. Neither adaptation of the novel has the right pacing that the plot requires. Even though the second one is better overall, I still claim that the first one has more personality. The locations looked like sets, but they were inventive and distinctive enough to be told apart. The CGI effects haven't aged well, but the practical effects have. They brought some unique creatures to life. Here, between the limited color palette and the preference for realism over extravagance, most of the locations blend together. Cinematographer Greig Fraser does a good job in every scene, except for the one where a giant sandworm appears right in front of Paul. It seems like the viewer is expected to pay attention to the creature's details, based on the shot composition, but the bad lighting is an obstacle. In case you're wondering: No, I don't want to speculate on whether the first attempt at bringing this story to the big screen (as told in the entertaining documentary JODOWOSKY'S DUNE) would've been the best version. Too many variables. 6/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.I agree with the way too weird names sometimes used sometimes in SciFi and fantasy. I’ve always found it tedious.
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Post by rudeboy on Oct 19, 2021 6:20:52 GMT
I don't think it's legal to dislike a Villeneuve movie. Oh, dear... so what kind of sentence am I in for if I admit how I feel about Incendies?
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 19, 2021 6:39:28 GMT
I watched it today.
MILD SPOILERS!
I will second rudeboy's comments from when I asked him if he likes the movie. I like it a lot, but with a couple big reservations. The main issue is that it just ends and we don't know for sure if we are going to get a second part. This would be a huge problem for me.
My second issue is that the characters just aren't very interesting. The movie is coherently written and interesting, but also feels underwritten at the same time. Maybe I just missed some stuff. I do really like the stuff about Paul and his visions (particularly powerful is his response to his vision of people starting wars in his name) and the pressure he is under to be great and to bring peace to the world, but Chalamet's performance isn't very memorable.
Later after I watched the movie other things started to occur to me, like how is anybody able to mine the spice without the sand worms always attacking and if there are Fremen who can tame sand worms and ride them (as seen at the very end), why were they not using the sand worms to attack the villains in the beginning before they were ordered to leave by the emperor? Again, maybe I am missing something.
Third is that the adaptation of Dune came so late that nothing about it is anything new from a story standpoint. So many movies have taken from the novel before that the story just feels like retread of a bunch of other movies, particularly Star Wars.
On a technical level the movie is brilliant. The cinematography is fantastic, the score is very good and the art direction and some of the world building is great. It really feels like something I haven't seen before on this level. It is a movie with many memorable scenes and unforgettable imagery.
8/10
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 19, 2021 6:42:38 GMT
I don't think it's legal to dislike a Villeneuve movie, so I'll keep this cordial. The cinematography and production design are great as always, but the film ended just as it was getting interesting for me. Considering the film is 2 and a half hours long, make of that what you will.
Also, maybe it was just my theater, but I had trouble understanding some of the dialogue. That is my main issue with the movie. The novel is 1,000 pages though, so I understand that it really does need to be told in 2 movies. This movie feels like mostly set up and it is done quite well, but it really does feel like half a movie. Much moreso than The Fellowship of the Ring, which did much better at feeling like a whole movie despite being only 1/3 of a movie.
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Post by Lux on Oct 22, 2021 18:36:06 GMT
I don't think it's legal to dislike a Villeneuve movie, so I'll keep this cordial. The cinematography and production design are great as always, but the film ended just as it was getting interesting for me. Considering the film is 2 and a half hours long, make of that what you will. Also, maybe it was just my theater, but I had trouble understanding some of the dialogue. There was nothing wrong with the dialogue but there was too much music and not enough Dave Bautista fighting Jason Momoa. Timothee was okay. I disliked Villeneuve's Blade Runner remake thus making it legal his Dune remake was an improvement.
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Post by Vits on Oct 22, 2021 21:50:35 GMT
I disliked Villeneuve's Blade Runner remake thus making it legal his Dune remake was an improvement. But neither movie was a remake. 🤔
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Post by Lux on Oct 22, 2021 22:12:31 GMT
I disliked Villeneuve's Blade Runner remake thus making it legal his Dune remake was an improvement. But neither movie was a remake. 🤔 Dune is a remake the Blade Runner turd was a sequel.
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Post by Vits on Oct 22, 2021 22:35:28 GMT
It's an adaptation of a source material that has already been adapted. the Blade Runner turd was a sequel. Well aren't you charming.
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Post by Lux on Oct 22, 2021 22:55:52 GMT
It's an adaptation of a source material that has already been adapted. the Blade Runner turd was a sequel. Well aren't you charming. It's a remake.
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Post by Vits on Oct 22, 2021 23:59:33 GMT
If you close your eyes and you say that 3 times, it might become true.
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Post by Lux on Oct 23, 2021 0:04:10 GMT
If you close your eyes and you say that 3 times, it might become true. What's your definition of a remake? Your answer to that will win me this debate.
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Post by Vits on Oct 23, 2021 9:17:21 GMT
What's your definition of a remake? An old movie is remade into a new one. Your answer to that will win me this debate. Really? Even if it's the wrong answer? 😁
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