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Post by masterofallgoons on Sept 3, 2022 20:39:22 GMT
This looks (at least the conebites look) more in-line with the original movie than I would have guessed. |
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Post by lostinlimbo on Sept 3, 2022 22:33:27 GMT
This looks (at least the conebites look) more in-line with the original movie than I would have guessed. One thing that’s got me curious is how much screen time, or story focus the centobites will get in this redo? Will they be pushed to the front, given more to do or mostly take a back seat with limited inclusions like the original film.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 20, 2022 17:10:42 GMT
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Post by masterofallgoons on Sept 20, 2022 18:39:19 GMT
Doesn't necessarily seem like it's based on the original story so much... assuming that the original movie is an accurate retelling of that story, at least... I haven't read it. This seems more like sequel territory. I like the look of this Pinhead from what I can see here... the voice? Maybe not as much. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 6, 2022 16:12:00 GMT
'Certified fresh' but only at 80%. More reviews will be rolling in the coming hours and days I'm sure.
The general consensus seems to be that it's one of the best movies associated with this franchise/IP, but that it's not necessarily anything special.
We shall see soon enough.
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Post by Sarge on Oct 9, 2022 1:57:25 GMT
It was everything I expected, a genZ reboot full of boring 20-something drama, poor directing, amateurish camerawork, and no atmosphere. The cenobites were .. sterile, like Halloween costumes you might see on a tv reality show. The female lead was a good actress but her character was shallow and uninteresting. Calling any of them characters is kindness as none have consistency in personality. I'm still not sure how I feel about it because it is not the worst Hellraiser movie, but it's not a good movie in an artistic sense.
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Post by darkpast on Oct 9, 2022 4:08:21 GMT
movie made me sleepy , poor lighting , you can shoot dark but still see stuff , that did not happen here
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Post by Sarge on Oct 9, 2022 20:42:54 GMT
Mild spoiler
There is a scene that really stands out as poorly shot and conceived, where a guy is sitting on a circular thing and falls through it into Hell. He's falling into hell and there is no weight to the scene, no vertigo, no interesting camera angles, he just falls in and goodbye, on to the next death.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 18, 2022 14:42:11 GMT
Mild spoilerThere is a scene that really stands out as poorly shot and conceived, where a guy is sitting on a circular thing and falls through it into Hell. He's falling into hell and there is no weight to the scene, no vertigo, no interesting camera angles, he just falls in and goodbye, on to the next death. I don't think this movie is, by any means, great, but I do think some of these comments are inaccurate and unfair. I don't think it seems especially 'gen z' and I read this comment before I saw it so I had this scene in mind, and in reality the character falls into this platform into what looks like a well, then the camera cranes up to reveal a bottomless pit. Again, that's not particularly inspired, but it's also not quite as bland as you described. Also, the characters are not inconsistent. They're not deep characters at all, but they remain in their underdeveloped personalities and/or clichés throughout. In general, I think it's fine. It's not great, it's not terrible, which makes it better than a good number of the others in the series. What doesn't work about it is more disappointing than it is aggressively bad. The most disappointing thing is that this huge, grand idea becomes tethered to this small location and ultimately sorta just becomes a slasher movie where the bad guys are chasing the victims. The cenobites are supposed to be ethereal and pose this mind altering existential threat that changes your entire outlook on existence, really... and here they are reduced to looking scary standing outside on the porch and getting caught in a door jam. They set it up with the house being designed to contain them or whatever the fuck that was supposed to be, but that makes this huge and otherworldly idea is just another slander movie, which is what the original story and original movie was supposed to be in direct opposition to... And the makeup designs are kind cool, but to me look every bit as rubbery and stiff as they did in the previous movies. Again, I didn't think this was terrible, but the writers' and director's previous work and the budget and resources into this production make it just very disappointing. But I also don't think even the first movie, nor the original novella, fully exploit the possibilities of the basic premise. |
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Post by nicktatler76 on Oct 18, 2022 16:35:06 GMT
I just can't see how the original Hellraiser and Hellbound can be improved upon.
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Post by Sarge on Oct 18, 2022 16:49:16 GMT
Mild spoilerThere is a scene that really stands out as poorly shot and conceived, where a guy is sitting on a circular thing and falls through it into Hell. He's falling into hell and there is no weight to the scene, no vertigo, no interesting camera angles, he just falls in and goodbye, on to the next death. I don't think this movie is, by any means, great, but I do think some of these comments are inaccurate and unfair. I don't think it seems especially 'gen z' and I read this comment before I saw it so I had this scene in mind, and in reality the character falls into this platform into what looks like a well, then the camera cranes up to reveal a bottomless pit. Again, that's not particularly inspired, but it's also not quite as bland as you described. Also, the characters are not inconsistent. They're not deep characters at all, but they remain in their underdeveloped personalities and/or clichés throughout. In general, I think it's fine. It's not great, it's not terrible, which makes it better than a good number of the others in the series. What doesn't work about it is more disappointing than it is aggressively bad. The most disappointing thing is that this huge, grand idea becomes tethered to this small location and ultimately sorta just becomes a slasher movie where the bad guys are chasing the victims. The cenobites are supposed to be ethereal and pose this mind altering existential threat that changes your entire outlook on existence, really... and here they are reduced to looking scary standing outside on the porch and getting caught in a door jam. They set it up with the house being designed to contain them or whatever the fuck that was supposed to be, but that makes this huge and otherworldly idea is just another slander movie, which is what the original story and original movie was supposed to be in direct opposition to... And the makeup designs are kind cool, but to me look every bit as rubbery and stiff as they did in the previous movies. Again, I didn't think this was terrible, but the writers' and director's previous work and the budget and resources into this production make it just very disappointing. But I also don't think even the first movie, nor the original novella, fully exploit the possibilities of the basic premise. I do agree it devolves into a simple slasher move. My biggest issue with the main character is she's an addict loser and addicts always serve the drug, but she seems to reform too quickly and absolutely as if the addiction was just a fling, and she got over it. She's goes out of her way to be unlikable, which is part of her character but has this dramatic turnaround that to me, is wholly unrealistic. In any case, I've somewhat fallen out of love with the Hellraiser movies over the years. The first two will always have a special place in my dark heart, so to speak, but they are not as good as I once believed.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 18, 2022 16:50:59 GMT
I just can't see how the original Hellraiser and Hellbound can be improved upon. I can. But either way the rest of the series progressively lowers the bar for the title anyway. They were always gonna make another Hellraiser, and whatever they did it was never gonna be the worst Hellraiser movie. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 19, 2022 13:51:16 GMT
I don't think this movie is, by any means, great, but I do think some of these comments are inaccurate and unfair. I don't think it seems especially 'gen z' and I read this comment before I saw it so I had this scene in mind, and in reality the character falls into this platform into what looks like a well, then the camera cranes up to reveal a bottomless pit. Again, that's not particularly inspired, but it's also not quite as bland as you described. Also, the characters are not inconsistent. They're not deep characters at all, but they remain in their underdeveloped personalities and/or clichés throughout. In general, I think it's fine. It's not great, it's not terrible, which makes it better than a good number of the others in the series. What doesn't work about it is more disappointing than it is aggressively bad. The most disappointing thing is that this huge, grand idea becomes tethered to this small location and ultimately sorta just becomes a slasher movie where the bad guys are chasing the victims. The cenobites are supposed to be ethereal and pose this mind altering existential threat that changes your entire outlook on existence, really... and here they are reduced to looking scary standing outside on the porch and getting caught in a door jam. They set it up with the house being designed to contain them or whatever the fuck that was supposed to be, but that makes this huge and otherworldly idea is just another slander movie, which is what the original story and original movie was supposed to be in direct opposition to... And the makeup designs are kind cool, but to me look every bit as rubbery and stiff as they did in the previous movies. Again, I didn't think this was terrible, but the writers' and director's previous work and the budget and resources into this production make it just very disappointing. But I also don't think even the first movie, nor the original novella, fully exploit the possibilities of the basic premise. I do agree it devolves into a simple slasher move. My biggest issue with the main character is she's an addict loser and addicts always serve the drug, but she seems to reform too quickly and absolutely as if the addiction was just a fling, and she got over it. She's goes out of her way to be unlikable, which is part of her character but has this dramatic turnaround that to me, is wholly unrealistic. In any case, I've somewhat fallen out of love with the Hellraiser movies over the years. The first two will always have a special place in my dark heart, so to speak, but they are not as good as I once believed. I don't really see her as having reformed. She's an addict he had, at some point been sober, then relapsed. That back and forth is extremely common. She doesn't necessarily reform just because she's not constantly drunk or on drugs. And I think the idea is that when her brother goes missing, or is taken, and it seems to be her fault, she's more consumed by finding and helping him than she is with her addiction. It's a bit of character growth, but it's not a full turnaround. Again, this is not some great depth of writing, but it's not out of character either. Really, her addiction not coming back into play later is a huge missed opportunity. I thought for sure that there would be some fuastian deal offered to her where she could feel the bliss of her drug of choice for eternity in exchange for giving up her friends' lives or something and that her real growth would be to choose not to do that and that would solidify her sobriety...or something. But no, it just kind of never comes up again. I agree about those first two movies. I haven't seen the second in a while, but I do think some people have fonder memories of them than they appreciate what they really are. Like I said, even the original novella, I think, is not as good as it should be considering how much potential the idea is. All that said, the concept is good enough that it carries me through all of them. Even some of the latter sequels. |
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Post by James on Oct 29, 2023 2:34:31 GMT
Finally had a watch of this. Perfectly serviceable for what a Hellraiser film is, and the Cenobites were pretty good. Jamie Clayton did fine as Pinhead/"The Priest" as well. The Lament Configuration was pretty ridiculously complex to solve but I guess it works with the story as it progressed. Wished the roles were switched between the siblings though. I'd rank it fourth after the first three movies.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Oct 30, 2023 20:17:19 GMT
Having binged most of the series a few years back, and endured great suffering during the two more recent attempts, minus Doug Bradley, this was a bit of fresh air. Some of those old sequels are just god-awful, a new start was needed.  |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 6, 2023 15:39:25 GMT
Having binged most of the series a few years back, and endured great suffering during the two more recent attempts, minus Doug Bradley, this was a bit of fresh air. Some of those old sequels are just god-awful, a new start was needed. No issue with them leaving the old ones behind, but this just felt like yet another tired sequel, ultimately. This concept was always so engaging to e, but I don't even think the first movie (or the original short story) ever fully mined the potential. I suppose the good and bad things with this series is that it lends itself to just starting over with a new set of characters as many times as they want. You just apply the cenobites to any other kind of story and it works to enough of a degree that you can keep cranking them out. Unfortunately, that's what this one did too, but like most of them it ends with basically moving on from the main characters and with the cenobites in a position to appear to some other set of characters for the inevitable next time, continuity be damned. |
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