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Post by Popeye Doyle on Oct 9, 2021 12:05:52 GMT
At 2 hours and 40 minutes, it’s the longest OO7 movie but moves exceptionally well. Just on that, certainly better than Spectre. Hell, the pre-credits scene goes on for what seems forever making me question if there is a credits scene and theme song. Daniel Craig really is terrific, further cementing his status as maybe the best actor to ever inherit the role. Less successful is the film’s villain, played by Rami Malek. His character isn’t Dr. No, which I was expecting. His plot involves a biological weapon targeting people’s DNA. It isn’t always clear and the character is rather forgettable. People were upset about OO7 being a black woman. Well, that happens. Bond retires for five years and given his lack of active service, his OO status is given to another agent. I didn’t have much of an issue with it. I’ve been watching this series since I discovered them in the 1990s and this one shook me to my core. It’s revealed Bond has a young daughter from his relationship with Madeline. At this point, I was pretty nervous about the direction this movie is going. It seemed only a matter of time before Bond got one past the goalie but this is handled with minimal sentimentality. What I really wasn’t ready for is how it all ends. To quote Hans Gruber, “This time John Wayne does not walk off into the sunset with Grace Kelly.” Yes, Mr. Bond is killed. I will give major credit for not including a scene later showing he miraculously survived (looking at you Dark Knight Rises). Sitting in the theater, I was like “They actually killed him?”. If the series were to actually end with Craig’s tenure, I’d be totally cool with it. Anyways, I’ve been rambling. It’s an often very good movie and that’s all I have to say about that.
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Post by ck100 on Oct 9, 2021 13:55:57 GMT
Just saw it myself. A long but entertaining Bond movie which ends Craig's tenure in a satisfying manner. Not sure where I'd rank it exactly among Craig's movies, let alone the entire franchise, but it at least deserves to be in the middle if not at the top. Malik's villain is watchable if a bit underdeveloped. He won't go down as one of the best Bond villains, but he's not one of the worst. Craig does solid work and by the end you'll feel a bit sad that this is his last Bond film. I had a feeling Bond's fate would go the way it did and I'll give credit for the movie going all the way with it and trying to back out from it in the end. Should be interesting to see what happens to the franchise from here on out, but in one way or another, we know James Bond will return.
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Oct 9, 2021 14:27:12 GMT
The think the whole biological weapon stuff was a bit convoluted. I mean the way the virus functioned.
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Post by Lux on Oct 9, 2021 16:24:51 GMT
You and other Craig fans have to be really careful when you start throwing around "best actor to inherit the role" praises at him because he is certainly not better than Connery, Dalton, Moore, Brosnan and Lazenby he just isn't. NTTD was his best performance as James Bond.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Oct 9, 2021 22:54:56 GMT
Just saw it myself. A long but entertaining Bond movie which ends Craig's tenure in a satisfying manner. Not sure where I'd rank it exactly among Craig's movies, let alone the entire franchise, but it at least deserves to be in the middle if not at the top. Malik's villain is watchable if a bit underdeveloped. He won't go down as one of the best Bond villains, but he's not one of the worst. Craig does solid work and by the end you'll feel a bit sad that this is his last Bond film. I had a feeling Bond's fate would go the way it did and I'll give credit for the movie going all the way with it and trying to back out from it in the end. Should be interesting to see what happens to the franchise from here on out, but in one way or another, we know James Bond will return. I’d rank it above Quantum of Solace and SPECTRE. Probably the 2nd best of his tenure. |
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Post by Vits on Oct 10, 2021 1:04:01 GMT
7/10 I’d rank it above Quantum of Solace and SPECTRE. Probably the 2nd best of his tenure. But he's been in 5 movies, not 4. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Oct 10, 2021 1:53:14 GMT
Not a great story or villain, but Craig is great (who I’m usually lukewarm on) and I liked the ending. It was time to kill him off, so may as well make it emotionally satisfying too with him saving his love and daughter.
007 is a similar symbol as Batman if you ask me - especially now that they’ve more or less confirmed the side of the Bond theory that it’s a different guy taking the identity of “007 James Bond”.
He’ll be back as a new guy and will continue saving the world. I liked it quite a bit, but a rewatch will be necessary.
8/10
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Post by Lux on Oct 10, 2021 2:11:17 GMT
Not a great story or villain, but Craig is great (who I’m usually lukewarm on) and I liked the ending. It was time to kill him off, so may as well make it emotionally satisfying too with him saving his love and daughter. 007 is a similar symbol as Batman if you ask me - especially now that they’ve more or less confirmed the side of the Bond theory that it’s a different guy taking the identity of “007 James Bond”. He’ll be back as a new guy and will continue saving the world. I liked it quite a bit, but a rewatch will be necessary. 8/10 They didn't confirm that "007 James Bond" is a different guy each time did you actually watch the movie? 007 is the number given to different agents not "James Bond". |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Oct 10, 2021 2:27:03 GMT
Not a great story or villain, but Craig is great (who I’m usually lukewarm on) and I liked the ending. It was time to kill him off, so may as well make it emotionally satisfying too with him saving his love and daughter. 007 is a similar symbol as Batman if you ask me - especially now that they’ve more or less confirmed the side of the Bond theory that it’s a different guy taking the identity of “007 James Bond”. He’ll be back as a new guy and will continue saving the world. I liked it quite a bit, but a rewatch will be necessary. 8/10 They didn't confirm that "007 James Bond" is a different guy each time did you actually watch the movie? 007 is the number given to different agents not "James Bond". So you think Bond will never be back then? |
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Post by Lux on Oct 10, 2021 2:56:09 GMT
They didn't confirm that "007 James Bond" is a different guy each time did you actually watch the movie? 007 is the number given to different agents not "James Bond". So you think Bond will never be back then? Is this your first time watching Bond? Of course he'll be back played by another actor or Daniel Craig just like it's been for the past 60 years. Bond's death in NTTD makes no difference. Even Judi Dench was the boss of two different Bonds. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Oct 10, 2021 8:11:19 GMT
So you think Bond will never be back then? Is this your first time watching Bond? Of course he'll be back played by another actor or Daniel Craig just like it's been for the past 60 years. Bond's death in NTTD makes no difference. Even Judi Dench was the boss of two different Bonds. So Bond is dead yet he lives? Your contradiction is noted. |
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Post by Vits on Oct 10, 2021 9:14:45 GMT
007 is a similar symbol as Batman if you ask me - especially now that they’ve more or less confirmed the side of the Bond theory that it’s a different guy taking the identity of “007 James Bond”. 8/10 They didn't confirm that "007 James Bond" is a different guy each time did you actually watch the movie? 007 is the number given to different agents not "James Bond". He's referring to the theory that each of the 6 actors have played different men who are then given the alias James Bond. It's a way to explain the messy timeline in the franchise. He says that this movie more or less confirms it because Nomi is assigned the number 007. She's not given the alias James Bond, but that could be because MI6 has a different one for women. Maybe once she retires or dies, another woman will change her name to Nomi.
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Post by Lux on Oct 10, 2021 11:41:39 GMT
They didn't confirm that "007 James Bond" is a different guy each time did you actually watch the movie? 007 is the number given to different agents not "James Bond". He's referring to the theory that each of the 6 actors have played different men who are then given the alias James Bond. It's a way to explain the messy timeline in the franchise. He says that this movie more or less confirms it because Nomi is assigned the number 007. She's not given the alias James Bond, but that could be because MI6 has a different one for women. Maybe once she retires or dies, another woman will change her name to Nomi. So you didn't watch Skyfall? All the James Bonds in any movie are Bonds since birth. Bond's death in NTTD changes nothing apart from stupid questions having to be dealt with on film forums like this. |
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Post by Lux on Oct 10, 2021 11:48:22 GMT
Is this your first time watching Bond? Of course he'll be back played by another actor or Daniel Craig just like it's been for the past 60 years. Bond's death in NTTD makes no difference. Even Judi Dench was the boss of two different Bonds. So Bond is dead yet he lives? Your contradiction is noted. So you didn't watch Skyfall either? Bond's death was a way of spicing things up it doesn't make James Bond a fake name or that the next agent will take up a dead man's name. You're making up your own fantasy stories which is good but you should save that for your own spy movies. Even if the supporting cast from Craig's films return without Daniel Craig it still will make absolutely no difference. Are you American? |
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Post by 🎄Jan El Señor🎄 on Oct 11, 2021 15:03:27 GMT
007 is a similar symbol as Batman if you ask me - especially now that they’ve more or less confirmed the side of the Bond theory that it’s a different guy taking the identity of “007 James Bond”. Lol. They've never confirmed that. In fact, the series has repeatedly confirmed the opposite. The series will not continue with the same continuity. It will reboot the story with an new version of the character.
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Post by Vits on Oct 11, 2021 15:09:41 GMT
Bond's death in NTTD changes nothing apart from stupid questions having to be dealt with on film forums like this. You're making up your own fantasy stories which is good but you should save that for your own spy movies. Even if the supporting cast from Craig's films return without Daniel Craig it still will make absolutely no difference. Are you American? Oh, sorry, no one warned me that you had woken up on the wrong side of bed.
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Post by 🎄Jan El Señor🎄 on Oct 11, 2021 15:18:59 GMT
Is this your first time watching Bond? Of course he'll be back played by another actor or Daniel Craig just like it's been for the past 60 years. Bond's death in NTTD makes no difference. Even Judi Dench was the boss of two different Bonds. So Bond is dead yet he lives? Your contradiction is noted. No. The next film will be a continuity reboot and tell a new version of Bond's story. Just like there are multiple versions of Batman or Superman's story, there are multiple iterations of Bond.
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Post by 🎄Jan El Señor🎄 on Oct 11, 2021 15:33:32 GMT
Even Judi Dench was the boss of two different Bonds. Judi Dench played two different Ms. According to novelizations/scripts, she was Barbara Maudsley in the Brosnan films and Olivia Mansfield in the Craig films.
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Post by salomonj on Oct 11, 2021 18:58:07 GMT
It was a horrible movie and an even worse Bond flick, 3/10
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Oct 11, 2021 20:14:32 GMT
I was dreading the runtime, but as mentioned by other posters it moved along nicely. Overall it was a pretty good movie, right in the middle of Craig's five efforts. There were some really nice references to OHMSS, from the nods to John Barry's score, to the heartbreaking line "We have all the time in the world", and particularly closing the movie with the original Louis Armstrong rendition of that song. Rami Malek was wasted, and to be honest considering how his character related to Madeline's, a pretty lousy casting decision. Jeffrey Wright was also given very little to do in this, but he really wasn't a huge presence in his prior appearances as Felix anyway. Ana De Armas was a delight in basically a cameo; I would have loved to see more of her. Craig delivered a good performance, especially taking into consideration how much he's bitched about the role. I do have to wonder how they're going to move forward after this one, but I really hope they get away from this dark mode 007 and go back to making the franchise a little bit more fun again.
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