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Post by janntosh on Oct 11, 2021 16:37:46 GMT
despite being a footnote in terms of 90s films this was actually a huge star vehicle at the time with Val Kilmer fresh off Batman Forever and Heat and Michael Douglas of course being one of the biggest stars in the world and a big 55m production. Pitched by writer William Goldman as "Jaws meets Lawrence of Arabia" unfortunately the film doesn't quite live up to the excitement and intrigue of that premise. Suffering from haphazard editing and a rushed pace. The director apparently complained that a lot of cuts had to be made to the film which is too bad. The film ended up being a flop and not really talked about when it comes to both stars filmographies. It is worth a watch though. There is some well done tension and some fantastic cinematography of the South African on location filming and one of Jerry Goldsmith's best scores that should have been nominated and probably should have won the Oscar. Unfortunately there is no Blu ray release and the version on streaming is clearly an older master. Hopefully Scream Factory or Arrow Video can get ahold of this movie and give it a brand new 4K restoration and load it with some new interviews and maybe the deleted scenes 
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Oct 11, 2021 16:48:17 GMT
I remember they used to show this on HBO a lot in the 90s. I thought it was okay.
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Post by dzrider on Oct 11, 2021 16:48:37 GMT
Great movie! I still have my original dvd. This is one of the ones I always recommend to people.
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Post by kolchak92 on Oct 11, 2021 16:55:56 GMT
Michael Douglas's character was such a blatant Quint ripoff that it got on my nerves watching him. No one can do that part better than Robert Shaw.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 11, 2021 17:02:54 GMT
7/10. I liked it quite a bit.
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Post by vegalyra on Oct 11, 2021 18:05:41 GMT
I always enjoyed this one. I read the book it was based on years ago. The person that Val Kilmer plays, Lt. Col. John Patterson, had a very interesting and distinguished career during the Great War after the events depicted in the film.
7/10
I'm also hoping for a bluray before too long. I have the old DVD.
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Post by drystyx on Oct 11, 2021 18:36:18 GMT
3/10. Too preachy and contrived. This is Hollywood product like it came from a computer.
Some posters have been claiming "historical accuracy", but they fail. The only historical accuracy is in the actions of the two lions and the vast number of deaths in the project due to the lions.
The rest is Hollywood "this is how I want it to be" fitting in with the usual Hollywood drivel. For example, the Hollywood cliche that married men automatically can't be killed, with careful mention that the only two survivors are the only two with wives, as if the lions looked over records in the county office to see who was married This is an example of being "contrived"). Just about all of the dramatics were blatant, "contrived" Hollywood fabrications with zero subtlety.
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Post by wmcclain on Oct 12, 2021 0:08:47 GMT
The Ghost and the Darkness (1996), directed by Stephen Hopkins. As the narrator says, this is a true story in it's most important aspects. Two lions, the Tsavo Man-Eaters, terrorized construction workers of an African railway in 1898. They had many strange characteristics, leading to a superstitious panic: - Man-eaters are usually solitary.
- They are usually old and ill, not young and healthy.
- They did not eat all the men they killed, but seemed to kill for sport.
- Lieutenant-Colonel John Henry Patterson wrote that one of the lions began to stalk him after he had wounded it.
- Finally, Patterson claimed around 140 men were killed, which must be a record for two lions. Some authorities doubt that high number.
Val Kilmer is likable as the engineer who is going to finish his bridge, evil lion spirits or no. Emily Mortimer, age 25, is his young wife. Some of the lines were stolen for The 13th Warrior (1999), and Jerry Goldsmith scored both films, reusing some themes. Here he starts with Celtic airs for Patterson, evolving into African and action music. It's a tremendous adventure story, but I have problems with the film. The real Patterson would have knocked down the Tom Wilkinson character for speaking about his family in the way he did. More importantly, the screenplay needs doctoring. Writer William Goldman wanted the story made into a film as soon as he heard it. He has a chapter on it in Which Lie Did I Tell?: More Adventures in the Screen Trade. He greatly admires Michael Douglas both as an actor and as a producer; after all his first film as producer was One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975), a risky and innovative project. The problem is when a producer acts in his own film. Douglas was not originally going to appear in the movie but they couldn't get the Great White Hunters they wanted, Sean Connery being unavailable, etc. So Douglas finally volunteered. A producer can be dispassionately good at business and even artistic decisions, but actors are insecure people who need to be loved. Given control they will write up their own parts, invent new backstory and try to build an unnecessary emotional bond with the audience. This can ruin the story. In this case when "Remington" appears he elbows out Patterson, our hero. Goldman also says "I could have written it better". I think he tends to write down to his audience, going for cheap laughs and the over-obvious. That's more apparent in something like Maverick (1994) than in this picture, but still... Maybe a different director could have done more with it, although one of Goldman's gripes is giving the director credit for everyone else's work -- especially screenwriters. I don't see a Blu-ray of this available yet. The North American DVD is 4:3 letterboxed. Anamorphic PAL DVDs are available. 
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Post by politicidal on Oct 12, 2021 0:50:22 GMT
Somewhat related but I think a Jim Corbett biographical movie would be fascinating. Sort of like this meets the old fashioned grandeur from The Lost City of Z.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Oct 12, 2021 1:09:02 GMT
Haven’t watched it in ages, since I was a kid. Remember liking it enough.
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Post by Hurdy Gurdy Man on Oct 12, 2021 8:25:04 GMT
A positive review that looks into historical accuracy:
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Post by Hurdy Gurdy Man on Oct 12, 2021 8:29:49 GMT
Somewhat related but I think a Jim Corbett biographical movie would be fascinating. Sort of like this meets the old fashioned grandeur from The Lost City of Z. This interests me as I am an Indian and Corbett spent most of his career in British India. His Wikipedia page states that Hollywood made a film on him during his lifetime which flopped. Corbett is known to have said that "the best actor was the tiger".
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 12, 2021 12:48:02 GMT
Fantastic movie filled with solid performances, even if Douglas takes it over the top at times. It's been a while, this thread makes me want to give it a rewatch.
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Post by janntosh on Oct 12, 2021 15:25:04 GMT
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Post by mikef6 on Oct 12, 2021 16:19:55 GMT
Back in the last couple years of the '90s (it was after I had seen The Ghost and the Darkness and before I left the Chicago area in 1999), I saw the hides of the two lions displayed at the Chicago Field Museum. Can't say if they are still on display or not. They looked very small and diminished. It made me sad.
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Post by mattgarth on Oct 12, 2021 17:50:07 GMT
The earlier film BWANA DEVIL in 1952 also dealt with the 1898 Tsavo Lion attacks.
That version starred Robert Stack in the Val Kilmer role.
It had the distinction of being the first color 3-D movie.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 12, 2021 17:51:52 GMT
And yet he praised Congo a year prior as a splendid example of the jungle adventure movie.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 12, 2021 21:38:17 GMT
Back in the last couple years of the '90s (it was after I had seen The Ghost and the Darkness and before I left the Chicago area in 1999), I saw the hides of the two lions displayed at the Chicago Field Museum. Can't say if they are still on display or not. They looked very small and diminished. It made me sad. They are, I had my picture taken with them a few years ago. Yeah they aren't very impressive to look at now, but the story remains fascinating.
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Post by Lux on Oct 13, 2021 14:33:54 GMT
And yet he praised Congo a year prior as a splendid example of the jungle adventure movie. Really?
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Post by politicidal on Oct 13, 2021 14:39:06 GMT
And yet he praised Congo a year prior as a splendid example of the jungle adventure movie. Really? Yeah the movie was reviled by critics but he gave it 3/4. Later the next year he gave Anaconda, a movie I admittedly love, a 3.5/4 rating and gushed about it.
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