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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 13, 2021 17:51:39 GMT
Liked it about as much as the last one. Where that was very H20, this is a mix of H2 and H4. The best part of the movie is the extended opening, set in 1978. It's the only time Michael looks and acts like Michael, and it's all the scarier for it.
The rest of the movie he's back in Jason-ville, gruesomely murdering anyone he comes across - sometimes in large quantities. Anyone with speaking lines in the '78 and 2018 films pops up just for bodycount. There is a VERY entertaining sequence in a car, though.
As a movie, it's sloppy as hell. There are more flashbacks than a season of Lost. Will Patton is positioned as the main character, but he spends the whole movie in a hospital bed doing nothing. Same goes for Laurie. The actual main character seems to be Tommy Doyle, who ends up being a less competent Gaston.
But I enjoyed myself. At least until the really stupid ending. I give it like a 5.
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Post by Marv on Oct 13, 2021 21:33:37 GMT
I might go see this this weekend if its not too busy.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 13, 2021 21:47:36 GMT
I might go see this this weekend if its not too busy.ย It might just be my first movie theater experience in like a year and a half in the next few days.
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Post by Marv on Oct 13, 2021 22:07:37 GMT
I might go see this this weekend if its not too busy. It might just be my first movie theater experience in like a year and a half in the next few days. Unless i have plans i usually try to go to an early afternoon showing on a saturday or sunday. The theatres usually pretty empty around that time.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 14, 2021 0:09:47 GMT
It might just be my first movie theater experience in like a year and a half in the next few days. Unless i have plans i usually try to go to an early afternoon showing on a saturday or sunday. The theatres usually pretty empty around that time.ย I just haven't done it yet. Part of the reason is that I had a subscription to my preferred theater and it's been paused so I'll have to pay full price for tickets, whereas I was there at least once a week pre-pandemic. On the other hand they're really good about capacity limits, spaced out seating, masks, etc. But I haven't actually checked it out in person.
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Post by James on Oct 14, 2021 1:07:25 GMT
Even with all of these problems, I'll probably walk away liking it anyway lol.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 14, 2021 1:16:48 GMT
Even with all of these problems, I'll probably walk away liking it anyway lol. I figured you would. Speaking of theater experiences, there was a guy in a pitch perfect HK Michael outfit who went around scaring people after the movie. Good times.
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Post by gbone on Oct 14, 2021 1:35:32 GMT
Got my tickets for Friday night. Seems like itโs gonna be like the last one. Michael on steroids, killing like Jason. Oh well. Should be a fun theater experience.
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Post by James on Oct 14, 2021 2:35:44 GMT
Even with all of these problems, I'll probably walk away liking it anyway lol. I figured you would. Speaking of theater experiences, there was a guy in a pitch perfect HK Michael outfit who went around scaring people after the movie. Good times. That sounds cool. I still have yet to actually see it, might wait till later, don't really wanna go back to theatres yet.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 14, 2021 2:41:44 GMT
I figured you would. Speaking of theater experiences, there was a guy in a pitch perfect HK Michael outfit who went around scaring people after the movie. Good times. That sounds cool. I still have yet to actually see it, might wait till later, don't really wanna go back to theatres yet. You can pay for Peacock for the month.
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Post by James on Oct 14, 2021 2:42:30 GMT
That sounds cool. I still have yet to actually see it, might wait till later, don't really wanna go back to theatres yet. You can pay for Peacock for the month. Peacock isn't available in Canada unfortunately.
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Post by simest on Oct 14, 2021 10:18:21 GMT
Liked it about as much as the last one. Where that was very H20, this is a mix of H2 and H4. The best part of the movie is the extended opening, set in 1978. It's the only time Michael looks and acts like Michael, and it's all the scarier for it. The rest of the movie he's back in Jason-ville, gruesomely murdering anyone he comes across - sometimes in large quantities. Anyone with speaking lines in the '78 and 2018 films pops up just for bodycount. There is a VERY entertaining sequence in a car, though. As a movie, it's sloppy as hell. There are more flashbacks than a season of Lost. Will Patton is positioned as the main character, but he spends the whole movie in a hospital bed doing nothing. Same goes for Laurie. The actual main character seems to be Tommy Doyle, who ends up being a less competent Gaston. But I enjoyed myself. At least until the really stupid ending. I give it like a 5. I'm planning to go this weekend and am trying not to allow my very low opinion of the last one affect how I go into it. That said, moviebuffbrad's assessment is one I trust and doesn't fill me with optimism. Another stupid ending might be more than I can handle after the utterly preposterous finale of the predecessor - i.e. Laurie having Michael incapacitated and exactly where she wants him........then choosing to burn her house down (hope the mortgage was paid / her insurance included arson!), leaving the scene without seeing him die and choosing not to just fill him with lead from the endless firearms and ammo stockpiled for 40 years right at her fingertips. Surely the new one can't end as mindlessly this time round.........?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 14, 2021 11:53:02 GMT
The actual main character seems to be Tommy Doyle, who ends up being a less competent Gaston. But I enjoyed myself. I'd buy a ticket to that Broadway show.
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Oct 14, 2021 17:17:36 GMT
Even with all of these problems, I'll probably walk away liking it anyway lol. Same. Even the bad Halloweens are interesting to watch and talk about. I like having a franchise that's as fucked up and branches off in as many directions as this one does. Plus, it'll have that John Carpenter score, so it's already halfway to being a winner on that point alone.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 14, 2021 17:36:26 GMT
Even with all of these problems, I'll probably walk away liking it anyway lol. Same. Even the bad Halloweens are interesting to watch and talk about. I like having a franchise that's as fucked up and branches off in as many directions as this one does. Plus, it'll have that John Carpenter score, so it's already halfway to being a winner on that point alone. Yeah, pretty much. Whatever it does it's not gonna be as stupid as Rob Zombie's Halloween 2, nor will it end as badly. But more or less you just want this to be fun and entertaining, and to listen to some new John Carpenter music. I knew it wasn't gonna be channeling the original movie the way I wanted before the last one came out anyway.
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Oct 14, 2021 17:39:19 GMT
Same. Even the bad Halloweens are interesting to watch and talk about. I like having a franchise that's as fucked up and branches off in as many directions as this one does. Plus, it'll have that John Carpenter score, so it's already halfway to being a winner on that point alone. Yeah, pretty much. Whatever it does it's not gonna be as stupid as Rob Zombie's Halloween 2, nor will it end as badly. But more or less you just want this to be fun and entertaining, and to listen to some new John Carpenter music. I knew it wasn't gonna be channeling the original movie the way I wanted before the last one came out anyway. I can't even tell you how many times I watched Resurrection. And I barely even liked it! And I own the soundtrack score! I'm an easy mark, I guess. *goes to Amazon.com to order Taking Shape II so I can read about all the awful sequels they didn't make*
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 14, 2021 18:09:25 GMT
The actual main character seems to be Tommy Doyle, who ends up being a less competent Gaston. But I enjoyed myself. I'd buy a ticket to that Broadway show. No one swings a bat like Tommy Gotten fat like Tommy Chases the wrong patients till they splat like Tommy
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 14, 2021 18:15:22 GMT
Liked it about as much as the last one. Where that was very H20, this is a mix of H2 and H4. The best part of the movie is the extended opening, set in 1978. It's the only time Michael looks and acts like Michael, and it's all the scarier for it. The rest of the movie he's back in Jason-ville, gruesomely murdering anyone he comes across - sometimes in large quantities. Anyone with speaking lines in the '78 and 2018 films pops up just for bodycount. There is a VERY entertaining sequence in a car, though. As a movie, it's sloppy as hell. There are more flashbacks than a season of Lost. Will Patton is positioned as the main character, but he spends the whole movie in a hospital bed doing nothing. Same goes for Laurie. The actual main character seems to be Tommy Doyle, who ends up being a less competent Gaston. But I enjoyed myself. At least until the really stupid ending. I give it like a 5. I'm planning to go this weekend and am trying not to allow my very low opinion of the last one affect how I go into it. That said, moviebuffbrad's assessment is one I trust and doesn't fill me with optimism.ย Another stupid ending might be more than I can handle after the utterly preposterous finale of the predecessor - i.e. Laurie having Michael incapacitated and exactly where she wants him........then choosing to burn her house down (hope the mortgage was paid / her insurance included arson!), leaving the scene without seeing him die and choosing not to just fill him with lead from the endless firearms and ammo stockpiled for 40 years right at her fingertips. Surely the new one can't end as mindlessly this time round.........? It's stupid for almost the exact opposite reason.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 15, 2021 12:03:58 GMT
Well I had a good time. It's certainly not a subdued slow burn like the original movie, and it really ramps up from the last movie. This one really moves and there's little down time. It's ultra violent, and totally brutal. The performances are mostly really good, and the production design and cinematography are top notch.
It feels like a continuation of the last movie, but also a different thing, which is good and bad. It's crazier, gorier, and faster, even though it covers less story. The last one had to reestablish things, this one is really just Michael moving from points A to B and killing tons of people along the way. Laurie doesn't have that much to do, so a host of new characters that really are old characters take up a lot of the screen, and they are all pretty solid, particularly Anthony Michael Hall, who is a compelling screen presence, and the opposite type that he was as a much younger man.
The last movie had se weird non sequitur dialogue about Bahn mi sandwiches and dance classes that felt out of place. This one has none of that, and favors very on-the-nose dialogue. The pretense that some people don't know about Michael is gone and pretty much everyone talks like Loomis. There are a lot of mini-speeches about evil and how Michael is more than just a mortal man, etc. The actors are good and sell it for the most part, but it's pretty unnatural stuff.
Michael continues to be more like Jason than Michael with his indestructibility, his massive strength, and his creativity. While there aren't as many kills with random objects as Jason might have, that's part of it, and you see it all happen in front of you. There's little left to the imagination. One thing I did sort of appreciate though is seeing pieces of him setting up his Tableaus. There's not much of that, but seeing him move a body after he's killed someone, or what he does to a body after he's killed someone rather than just seeing the result is actually novel for this series, somehow. That was kind of interesting.
Maybe the best thing about this new set of movies is getting new music from John Carpenter. This movie has continued some of the themes from the last one and expanded on them. I just saw it last night and haven't listened to any of it independently, but I liked most of what I heard, including a sort of somber and 'epic' version of the theme that plays over the opening credits... but one music cue felt out of place and strange like the tone was all wrong. That might be a minor complaint, and I might feel differently if I saw it again, but that moment seemed weird.
The ending is indeed odd. I don't want to say why, but a sequence of events takes a turn that doesn't seem like it could happen considering the way things were set up. We know this movie has a sequel going into it, and we know that it's got to continue certain threads, and considering some of the dialogue they are clearly pushing a certain angle of the story, but still...
It'll be interesting to see, now, where the next one goes. It intends to be the final chapter of this new trilogy, and this movie obviously leaves room for more, but whether that will take place directly after this one or another year or more later doesn't seem clear at this point.
There's a whole aspect that deals with a commentary on mass violence and mob mentality and rioting that is a little unfocused. On hand the mob does something truly awful, on the other hand they had the right intentions and Laurie is also essentially a vigilante, and they don't stop after they've committed an awful atrocity. They just regroup and refocus on the correct thing afterwards. It certainly feels a little prescient now knowing that this movie was made before all of the riots and ultimately the attack on the capital, but in the wake of that it also feels like it doesn't have as much to say about that. It may be hard to blame them since this movie has been finished for over a year now, but it feels a little slight while not being totally mishandled.
Now for, probably, the most controversial element; the scenes that take place in 1978, I think, are some of the most enjoyable parts of the movie. I thought that stuff really worked for the most part. Michael looks just like Michael from 1978, the tone is closer to the first one while still fitting the wild tone of this one, and they added to the story without taking away from the original film. I thought it bridged the considerable gap between the two rather well, and I was surprised by how much of the movie takes place directly after the original's ending. It made me wonder what I would be like, and kind of wish for, a whole new movie set in 78, like a new approach to Halloween II or something.
And Loomis really doesn't look bad. The voice sticks out, but I was really looking to be bothered by his face, and itโs fine. I think if people didn't know this series they wouldn't realize that that was a digitally recreated face. Green wisely doesn't give him much screentime and avoids more than one or two closeups. If you're looking for it (and I was) and if that sort of thing bothers you (and it does bother me) you're bound to find something wrong with it, but I think it works better than anyone could expect... whether or not Loomis needed to be shown at all is a fair question, but from a technical stand point it's handled well... although perhaps he looks a little more like Loomis circa Halloween 4 than 1 (minus the poor burn prosthetics).
All in all I had fun watching it. It doesn't slow down for a second to let you be un-entertained. Even if it's over the top and wildly graphic and ultimately very unrealistic, it's certainly never boring. There's little narrative momentum, but we know that this is act 2 of a purpoted 3 act structure, so that it is to be expected to some degree. For all the craziness that's included and the Jason-izing of Michael, that's nothing that hasn't already been done by most of the sequels, and as outlandish as it may seem, it doesn't go to the lengths that this series has previously, at least.
Compared to that hot garbage movies that directly preceded these ones, it seems relatively intellectual and tame... and far, far more entertaining and enjoyable. It's not the approach I might have taken, but I can't say it wasn't a fun reintroduction to movie theaters for me.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 15, 2021 22:26:53 GMT
The last movie had se weird non sequitur dialogue about Bahn mi sandwiches and dance classes that felt out of place. This one has none of that, and favors very on-the-nose dialogue. One thing I did sort of appreciate though is seeing pieces of him setting up his Tableaus. There's not much of that, but seeing him move a body after he's killed someone, or what he does to a body after he's killed someone rather than just seeing the result is actually novel for this series, somehow. That was kind of interesting. There's a whole aspect that deals with a commentary on mass violence and mob mentality and rioting that is a little unfocused. On hand the mob does something truly awful, on the other hand they had the right intentions and Laurie is also essentially a vigilante, and they don't stop after they've committed an awful atrocity. They just regroup and refocus on the correct thing afterwards. It certainly feels a little prescient now knowing that this movie was made before all of the riots and ultimately the attack on the capital, but in the wake of that it also feels like it doesn't have as much to say about that. It may be hard to blame them since this movie has been finished for over a year now, but it feels a little slight while not being totally mishandled. And Loomis really doesn't look bad. The voice sticks out, but I was really looking to be bothered by his face, and itโs fine. I think if people didn't know this series they wouldn't realize that that was a digitally recreated face. Green wisely doesn't give him much screentime and avoids more than one or two closeups. If you're looking for it (and I was) and if that sort of thing bothers you (and it does bother me) you're bound to find something wrong with it, but I think it works better than anyone could expect... whether or not Loomis needed to be shown at all is a fair question, but from a technical stand point it's handled well... although perhaps he looks a little more like Loomis circa Halloween 4 than 1 (minus the poor burn prosthetics).. Though it still had its fair share of weird, out of place humor. The entire gay couple sequence, with them calling each other "Big John" and "Little John", then "Big" John stripping down to a wife beater to hunt Michael with the tiniest knife in the world...odd. Yeah, the bit with Michael going ham on the corpse like a curious little kid stood out. It's another brief moment where Michael feels like Michael. The vigilante part of the movie seems the most divisive. I will say, even Laurie doesn't come out looking too good. They say over and over that her trap failed, along with reinforcing the fact that her obsession with Michael is entirely one sided. Her behavior encourages Alison, putting Alison and later Karen in danger. The mob do eventually go after the "right" person, but...yeah. I think it firmly takes a stance, at least until Ends comes out. I thought Loomis looked a little too smooth and doughey. Like I said, the 1978 segment is my favorite part of the movie, so it didn't detract TOO much, but it definitely didn't need to be there.
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