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Post by Stammerhead on Oct 18, 2021 11:49:48 GMT
Okay, so it was an awful place full of awful people so why settle down there and raise a family? For some reason the authors didn’t have time to explain this plot point but they did have time to give us detailed instructions on how to make our very own Ark of the Covenant.
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Post by Catman on Oct 18, 2021 12:35:59 GMT
The rent was really good?
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 18, 2021 18:39:46 GMT
In Genesis 19, when God destroys the cities of Sodom and Gommorah with "burning sulfur", it also mentions he destroyed the "vegetation in the land" (v. 25). Lands rich with vegetation would be vital for agrarian societies that raise livestock and cultivate crops. Thus, Lot and his family likely lived there for agricultural resources needed to live.
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Post by Stammerhead on Oct 19, 2021 8:44:40 GMT
It's not as if Lot and his wife could go house hunting for beachfront property on the Dead Sea. I'm sure they just planted themselves where it was convenient to make a living. But there must have come a time when he looked around and realised that he’d made a bad choice and started to think about moving. Perhaps it was around that time that a group of angels popped by. Was he not in a good financial position to move? Was he on good terms with these evil people and perhaps didn’t think things were that bad? Did Sodom have a great education system supported by top level social care? Good storytellers should think about this sort of thing.
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Post by Stammerhead on Oct 19, 2021 8:46:27 GMT
He was the Tribe of Abraham sales rep in S&G. I was wondering if it was a temporary situation which might explain why Lot and his family were the only good people around there.
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Post by Stammerhead on Oct 19, 2021 8:52:31 GMT
In Genesis 19, when God destroys the cities of Sodom and Gommorah with "burning sulfur", it also mentions he destroyed the "vegetation in the land" (v. 25). Lands rich with vegetation would be vital for agrarian societies that raise livestock and cultivate crops. Thus, Lot and his family likely lived there for agricultural resources needed to live. I wonder if surrounding areas were affected by this action because all that burning sulphur must have caused an ecological disaster. Greta Thunburg would have been angered by God’s carbon footprint.
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Post by Stammerhead on Oct 19, 2021 10:14:12 GMT
I was wondering if it was a temporary situation which might explain why Lot and his family were the only good people around there. That they were of Abraham's tribe is why they were the only good people left in the city. Of course, aside from the evil sodomites and gomorrahites, there should have been some children who one would think God would not kill them along with their evil, degenerate parents...but without parents, I suppose killing the degenerate babies was a mercy upon them. Of course Lot and his daughters were not above some drunken sex fun after dear old mum got pillarized into salt, so.... Pretty stupid story when you think about it. And the folks who believe Trump is still president also believe this Bible myth is 100% true and accurate and we must believe it that it is God's only Truth. Their kids were probably evil and got what they deserved. And the same goes for their pets.
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Post by Stammerhead on Oct 19, 2021 10:18:23 GMT
The rent was really good? Lot and his family were good people so should have been more interested in biodiversity and social development.
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Post by drystyx on Oct 19, 2021 18:10:54 GMT
Wildlife may be a factor for a man with just daughters. At the time, archaeologists are pretty sure there were crocodiles in the river, and lions and leopards in the region. I don't know what sort of snakes, but maybe treating snake bites and wounds would be something they thought could only be done in the city.
Not like today, where we've learned to be more afraid of humans than almost any other creature. About the only things really scarier than humans today are crocodiles, some sharks, some snakes, some bears, some big cats, maybe a few other things.
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Post by rizdek on Oct 19, 2021 20:43:21 GMT
Okay, so it was an awful place full of awful people so why settle down there and raise a family? For some reason the authors didn’t have time to explain this plot point but they did have time to give us detailed instructions on how to make our very own Ark of the Covenant. Not sure how serious this is to you, but I never imagined these stories were anything but object lessons/parables/fireside tales told at bedtime to entertain and explain moral/ethical issues. They put real or imagined historical figures into these stories to help the audience relate to the lesson(s) being taught.
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Post by Stammerhead on Oct 19, 2021 21:29:24 GMT
But there must have come a time when he looked around and realised that he’d made a bad choice and started to think about moving. Perhaps it was around that time that a group of angels popped by. Was he not in a good financial position to move? Was he on good terms with these evil people and perhaps didn’t think things were that bad? Did Sodom have a great education system supported by top level social care? Good storytellers should think about this sort of thing. A lot of people don't like their neighbors. Sodom was apparently the hub of everything back then. And it was 5 minutes from Gomorrah. Sounds a bit like London and people from outside London tend to dislike London and Londoners.
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Post by Stammerhead on Oct 19, 2021 21:34:54 GMT
Okay, so it was an awful place full of awful people so why settle down there and raise a family? For some reason the authors didn’t have time to explain this plot point but they did have time to give us detailed instructions on how to make our very own Ark of the Covenant. Not sure how serious this is to you, but I never imagined these stories were anything but object lessons/parables/fireside tales told at bedtime to entertain and explain moral/ethical issues. They put real or imagined historical figures into these stories to help the audience relate to the lesson(s) being taught. I happen to like thinking about the trivial aspects of these stories and started thinking of the destruction of the two cities being told in a 1970s disaster movie fashion.
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Post by drystyx on Oct 20, 2021 3:18:37 GMT
I happen to like thinking about the trivial aspects of these stories and started thinking of the destruction of the two cities being told in a 1970s disaster movie fashion. I'd love to see a 21st century film made which shows both sides of the story. How do we know we're getting the whole truth? The men of Sodom may not have been completely at fault. Perhaps that angel was a bit of a butt tease. Mel Brooks is gone. Who else can do this?
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Post by drystyx on Oct 20, 2021 6:08:14 GMT
Mel Brooks is gone. Who else can do this? Lol.
I'd like to see a big budget epic drama of Sodom & Gomorrah. I may be wrong, but I don't think it's ever been done.
There was a really poor one with Stewart Granger. Granger even looked like he hated doing it.
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Post by Stammerhead on Oct 20, 2021 9:08:15 GMT
I happen to like thinking about the trivial aspects of these stories and started thinking of the destruction of the two cities being told in a 1970s disaster movie fashion. I'd love to see a 21st century film made which shows both sides of the story. How do we know we're getting the whole truth? The men of Sodom may not have been completely at fault. Perhaps that angel was a bit of a butt tease. Did the angel incident really happen? We’re they actually sexually assaulted? Is fire from the sky an overreaction and a gross misuse of celestial powers? How many outside travellers also got carbonised that night? A lot of the Bible is propaganda and shouldn’t really be accepted as the complete truth, especially when it fudges so many important details.
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Post by rizdek on Oct 20, 2021 9:43:09 GMT
Not sure how serious this is to you, but I never imagined these stories were anything but object lessons/parables/fireside tales told at bedtime to entertain and explain moral/ethical issues. They put real or imagined historical figures into these stories to help the audience relate to the lesson(s) being taught. At the end of the tale, it is revealed that Lot and his daughters' offspring form the "inbred" Moab and Ammonite tribes who later "became" the big rivals of the Hebrews for the Promised Land. Exactly...it's good story to go along with a way to smear one's enemies/rivals. Like...'and these Ammonites...we all know how they got started...yuck yuck yuck.'
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Post by Stammerhead on Oct 20, 2021 9:45:42 GMT
There was a really poor one with Stewart Granger. Granger even looked like he hated doing it. I've never seen it. But I looked it up and it was produced in 1962. From the Wikipedia description of the movie, they avoided any mention of homosexuality (to be expected in 1962) or the angel attempted rape incident. The moral issue was slavery.
There were hints that thing were not proper in Sodom and Gomorrah… Ildith: Evil? How strange you are. Where I come from, nothing is evil. Everything that gives pleasure is good! Lot: Where do you come from? Ildith: There, not far, just ahead - Sodom and Gomorrah And in answer to my OP question… Ishmael: Why do we live here? Lot: You still will not understand. As we grow in the esteem of the Sodomites, a time will come when we can attain by law all that we wish. By law!
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Post by Stammerhead on Oct 20, 2021 14:29:40 GMT
There were hints that thing were not proper in Sodom and Gomorrah… Ildith: Evil? How strange you are. Where I come from, nothing is evil. Everything that gives pleasure is good! Lot: Where do you come from? Ildith: There, not far, just ahead - Sodom and Gomorrah And in answer to my OP question… Ishmael: Why do we live here? Lot: You still will not understand. As we grow in the esteem of the Sodomites, a time will come when we can attain by law all that we wish. By law! They were probably were a city that worshipped the Sumerian or Babylonian gods using sacred sex or temple prostitution that was commonly practiced by most of the Mesopotamian religions at the time that the Hebrews went out of their way to condemned. They were also scared of wine and cushions… Queen Bera: It is our pleasure - to give you pleasure. So, let us make you - comfortable. Lot: You're wasting your time. I didn't come here to be drowned in wine and smothered in cushions
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Post by politicidal on Oct 20, 2021 21:19:45 GMT
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Post by Stammerhead on Oct 21, 2021 13:07:26 GMT
They were also scared of wine and cushions… Queen Bera: It is our pleasure - to give you pleasure. So, let us make you - comfortable. Lot: You're wasting your time. I didn't come here to be drowned in wine and smothered in cushions One might pass out drunk and be suffocated with a cushion by a harlot. Cushions don’t kill people. Harlots kill people. 
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