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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Oct 22, 2021 16:21:34 GMT
Well maybe - I was thinking about that but then figured she wasn't the actual cameraman herself.
Sure she would have lined up the shot but live ammunition or not I would have thought every non essential personnel would have to be out of the way for the actual "shot" shot. It's not as if there haven't been on set accidents previously...
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Post by NJtoTX on Oct 22, 2021 16:25:05 GMT
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 22, 2021 16:31:56 GMT
That could just be poor wording or lack of understanding. Or maybe it's accurate. As I understand stand it there shouldn't be any live rounds allowed on a set. |
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Post by WullieFort on Oct 22, 2021 17:20:50 GMT
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 22, 2021 18:12:07 GMT
I hope it is.
Involuntary manslaughter:
Baldwin had to make the last security check, and if he lacks the qualification to perform this check, than is is not qualified to use this weapon/tool.
He is also the co-producer and thus responsible for the production.
How is it possible that someone can use a prop-weapon which can obviously launch deadly projectiles without a proper introduction, if not certification. If one uses such a device without taking the time to handle it properly and be able to ensure the save use, then one is at least partly at fault. He pulled the trigger.
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Post by MCDemuth on Oct 22, 2021 18:18:58 GMT
Biggest question for me is how exactly did he manage to shoot the Director of Photography rather than another actor? He wasn't trying to point the gun at another actor... He probably aimed the gun towards the camera... The director wanted to see the Flash from the gun barrel on film... We have all seen camera views like these thousands of times in the movies... and the Director of Photography was probably, behind the camera... and the same goes for the Director, who was also injured.
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Post by sdm3 on Oct 22, 2021 18:22:57 GMT
I hope it is. Involuntary manslaughter: Baldwin had to make the last security check, and if he lacks the qualification to perform this check, than is is not qualified to use this weapon/tool. He is also the co-producer and thus responsible for the production. How is it possible that someone can use a prop-weapon which can obviously launch deadly projectiles without a proper introduction, if not certification. If one uses such a device without taking the time to handle it properly and be able to ensure the save use, then one is at least partly at fault. He pulled the trigger. Not a chance he's responsible. The armorer and at least one other professional would be responsible for performing those safety checks long before the prop ever reaches the hand of the actor.
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Post by MCDemuth on Oct 22, 2021 18:29:11 GMT
I hope it is. Involuntary manslaughter: Baldwin had to make the last security check, and if he lacks the qualification to perform this check, than is is not qualified to use this weapon/tool. He is also the co-producer and thus responsible for the production. How is it possible that someone can use a prop-weapon which can obviously launch deadly projectiles without a proper introduction, if not certification. If one uses such a device without taking the time to handle it properly and be able to ensure the save use, then one is at least partly at fault. He pulled the trigger. "Involuntary manslaughter"? We shouldn't be making these kinds of accusations, until we find out what the "projectile" was that killed the woman... Contrary to popular belief, weapons can destroy themselves if they are very old, or if they have manufacturing defects in them... I've heard that this was a wild west picture, which may mean, that the gun being used was over 150 years old... For all we know, pieces of the gun barrel are what killed the woman, and injured the director... And there would have been no way for Mr. Baldwin to know that the gun was going to destroy itself when fired.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 22, 2021 18:35:51 GMT
I hope it is. Involuntary manslaughter: Baldwin had to make the last security check, and if he lacks the qualification to perform this check, than is is not qualified to use this weapon/tool. He is also the co-producer and thus responsible for the production. How is it possible that someone can use a prop-weapon which can obviously launch deadly projectiles without a proper introduction, if not certification. If one uses such a device without taking the time to handle it properly and be able to ensure the save use, then one is at least partly at fault. He pulled the trigger. "Involuntary manslaughter"? We shouldn't be making these kinds of accusations, until we find out what the "projectile" was that killed the woman... Contrary to popular belief, weapons can destroy themselves if they are very old, or if they have manufacturing defects in them... I've heard that this was a wild west picture, which may mean, that the gun being used was over 150 years old... For all we know, pieces of the gun barrel are what killed the woman, and injured the director... And there would have been no way for Mr. Baldwin to know that the gun was going to destroy itself when fired. Yeah, that's a completely ridiculous take. |
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Oct 22, 2021 18:59:23 GMT
When I heard this, naturally, my mind went back to Brandon Lee's death on the set of The Crow. Following that incident there were a lot of checks put in place to prevent something similar happening again.
This was either some freak accident that the checks didn't show up or the checks were half arsed.
Other thing is were they filming a scene when this happened or was it some kind of horseplay on Baldwin's behalf?
There's a lot I'd want to know about what happened here before commenting further.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 22, 2021 19:12:11 GMT
Looks like he's handled these instruments of death numerous times -
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Post by poutinep on Oct 22, 2021 19:22:19 GMT
I hope it is. Involuntary manslaughter: Baldwin had to make the last security check, and if he lacks the qualification to perform this check, than is is not qualified to use this weapon/tool. He is also the co-producer and thus responsible for the production. How is it possible that someone can use a prop-weapon which can obviously launch deadly projectiles without a proper introduction, if not certification. If one uses such a device without taking the time to handle it properly and be able to ensure the save use, then one is at least partly at fault. He pulled the trigger. I get that you hate Baldwin because he dares to mock trump, but what you just said is incredibly ignorant, as well as stupid. Baldwin isn't responsible, because he wasn't supposed to be handed a live weapon in the first place, and it wasn't his job to prepare or check the prop weapon.
In all likelihood, this is what happened: The props department improperly prepared a dummy cartridge (by leaving in primer/powder) or a blank (by leaving in a bullet).
Baldwin pointed the gun in the camera's direction for a POV shot.
Halyna Hutchins - as cinematographer - was operating the camera.
Joel Souza - as director - was standing behind Hutchins to see the camera's viewfinder.
The bullet went through Hutchins and then struck Souza.
Of course I could be wrong about any or all of these details, but given the currently limited information this is the most likely series of events.
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Post by MCDemuth on Oct 22, 2021 19:41:41 GMT
For those still confused... This is regular round of Ammunition: A Blank, does not have a Bullet. A Dummy Round, does not have a powder charge, and it does not have a live primer. |
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 22, 2021 19:47:50 GMT
I hope it is. Involuntary manslaughter: Baldwin had to make the last security check, and if he lacks the qualification to perform this check, than is is not qualified to use this weapon/tool. He is also the co-producer and thus responsible for the production. How is it possible that someone can use a prop-weapon which can obviously launch deadly projectiles without a proper introduction, if not certification. If one uses such a device without taking the time to handle it properly and be able to ensure the save use, then one is at least partly at fault. He pulled the trigger. I get that you hate Baldwin because he dares to mock trump, but what you just said is incredibly ignorant, as well as stupid. Baldwin isn't responsible, because he wasn't supposed to be handed a live weapon in the first place, and it wasn't his job to prepare or check the prop weapon.
In all likelihood, this is what happened: The props department improperly prepared a dummy cartridge (by leaving in primer/powder) or a blank (by leaving in a bullet).
Baldwin pointed the gun in the camera's direction for a POV shot.
Halyna Hutchins - as cinematographer - was operating the camera.
Joel Souza - as director - was standing behind Hutchins to see the camera's viewfinder.
The bullet went through Hutchins and then struck Souza.
Of course I could be wrong about any or all of these details, but given the currently limited information this is the most likely series of events.
Then they should have forbidden this use of probs or even live weapons for film shootings (=> Brandon Lee). I see it from my military training, and safety always came first, and everybody was drilled to it. The loudest shoot comes from an unloaded weapon. Anyway: I would charge him.
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Post by poutinep on Oct 22, 2021 19:55:22 GMT
I get that you hate Baldwin because he dares to mock trump, but what you just said is incredibly ignorant, as well as stupid. Baldwin isn't responsible, because he wasn't supposed to be handed a live weapon in the first place, and it wasn't his job to prepare or check the prop weapon. In all likelihood, this is what happened: The props department improperly prepared a dummy cartridge (by leaving in primer/powder) or a blank (by leaving in a bullet).
Baldwin pointed the gun in the camera's direction for a POV shot.
Halyna Hutchins - as cinematographer - was operating the camera.
Joel Souza - as director - was standing behind Hutchins to see the camera's viewfinder.
The bullet went through Hutchins and then struck Souza. Of course I could be wrong about any or all of these details, but given the currently limited information this is the most likely series of events.
Then they should have forbidden this use of probs or even live weapons for film shootings (=> Brandon Lee). I see it from my military training, and safety always came first, and everybody was drilled to it. The loudest shoot comes from an unloaded weapon. You don't even know why that gun went off like it did. It's been discussed here but the gun that killed Lee wasn't supposed to go off like it did. His death was the result of two consecutive mistakes with the same weapon: including primer in a dummy cartridge and then failing to check the barrel when loading a blank. All the bans in the world won't prevent human error. Anyway: I would charge him. Well I'm sure you would, because you're an extremely biased ignoramus and this is why you have no power in the world.
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Oct 22, 2021 20:29:05 GMT
His "I am God" monologue from Malice will be weird to watch from now on.
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 22, 2021 21:09:51 GMT
Then they should have forbidden this use of probs or even live weapons for film shootings (=> Brandon Lee). I see it from my military training, and safety always came first, and everybody was drilled to it. The loudest shoot comes from an unloaded weapon. You don't even know why that gun went off like it did. It's been discussed here but the gun that killed Lee wasn't supposed to go off like it did. His death was the result of two consecutive mistakes with the same weapon: including primer in a dummy cartridge and then failing to check the barrel when loading a blank. All the bans in the world won't prevent human error. Anyway: I would charge him. Well I'm sure you would, because you're an extremely biased ignoramus and this is why you have no power in the world. On ig with you. This is the sport forum, and I won't have your bile here.
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Post by Toy-Cannon on Oct 22, 2021 21:54:32 GMT
He will still be hosting Match Game. But will he wince everytime he says "blank?"
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Post by onethreetwo on Oct 22, 2021 22:03:02 GMT
He will still be hosting Match Game. But will he wince everytime he says "blank?" I love him on Match Game. He's a pretty funny guy. |
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Post by poutinep on Oct 22, 2021 23:09:07 GMT
You don't even know why that gun went off like it did. It's been discussed here but the gun that killed Lee wasn't supposed to go off like it did. His death was the result of two consecutive mistakes with the same weapon: including primer in a dummy cartridge and then failing to check the barrel when loading a blank. All the bans in the world won't prevent human error. Well I'm sure you would, because you're an extremely biased ignoramus and this is why you have no power in the world. On ig with you. This is the sport forum, and I won't have your bile here. Deconstructing your absurd statements is not bile, it's just you losing.
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