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Post by Surly on Oct 23, 2021 0:27:41 GMT
Is his career over? Probably depends on how responsible or accountable he is for the accident. It’s not Baldwin’s responsibility to make sure the gun is loaded properly or with the proper ammunition. That falls to the armorer and the prop master. But both of those positions ultimately answer to a producer. And Baldwin is a co-producer. I don’t know if he was a producer over those departments. And even the nature of a (head) producer is not a “one size fits all” or “cookie cutter” thing. On some movies the producer has more power and control than the director. On other movies they might be nothing more than the head gopher/“go for”. I don’t know how things were being run from a production standpoint.
But the latest news that just came out is claiming that the armorer and prop department were cutting corners with safety. Allegedly some union people were fired or walked out over it. And allegedly some were replaced with non-union people who don’t meet the same standards. If this is true it can’t be good for anyone who had authority on that movie project.
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Post by You_Got_A_Stew_Goin_Baby on Oct 23, 2021 4:16:40 GMT
He's a producer of the film, so he might have some liability in this accident if all this talk about union workers and safety standards being thrown out the window a day or two before the incident is accurate, right? I don't know anything about the film industry or the laws surrounding the film industry, so I could be totally off base.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Oct 23, 2021 7:51:44 GMT
He wasn't trying to point the gun at another actor... He probably aimed the gun towards the camera... The director wanted to see the Flash from the gun barrel on film... We have all seen camera views like these thousands of times in the movies... and the Director of Photography was probably, behind the camera... and the same goes for the Director, who was also injured. Yeah, I'd already responded further up to someone making that reply to my comment. It wasn't that I hadn't considered that, rather I didn't believe in this day and age - given the previous on stage firearms accidents, e.g. Brandon Lee - that from a safety viewpoint you could really have a cameraman, DP and the Director all huddled together directly behind the camera to watch the directly aimed shot. That seems unbelievable to me if that is indeed what happened. |
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 23, 2021 8:28:47 GMT
Is his career over? Probably depends on how responsible or accountable he is for the accident. It’s not Baldwin’s responsibility to make sure the gun is loaded properly or with the proper ammunition. That falls to the armorer and the prop master. But both of those positions ultimately answer to a producer. And Baldwin is a co-producer. I don’t know if he was a producer over those departments. And even the nature of a (head) producer is not a “one size fits all” or “cookie cutter” thing. On some movies the producer has more power and control than the director. On other movies they might be nothing more than the head gopher/“go for”. I don’t know how things were being run from a production standpoint. But the latest news that just came out is claiming that the armorer and prop department were cutting corners with safety. Allegedly some union people were fired or walked out over it. And allegedly some were replaced with non-union people who don’t meet the same standards. If this is true it can’t be good for anyone who had authority on that movie project. He is the producer, and by now new details have surfaced: the weapons has already several malfunctions, and members of the crew left the set in protest of the working condition. So Baldwin new about the problem with the particular weapon, and the overall situation, and as producer he was the one person responsibly for the conditions on the set. If he hired unqualified stuff to save money, if the stuff was suffering under fatigue etc. pp., then it is on him. And these people left because they were forced to shot long hours, and when you are tired, you make mistakes. That's why we have laws to protect the employees: in regard of the general health, but also to prevent accidents. Again: I would s charge him. We need a proper investigation, and role is significant: as shooter, and as producer. www.staradvertiser.com/2021/10/22/breaking-news/rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-alec-baldwin-fatally-shot-cinematographer/If a human being died because Baldwin cut corners, broke even the law, then he is also partly responsible. In the end the so called prop master lacked any qualification. abcnews.go.com/US/crew-members-hospitalized-prop-gun-misfires-set-alec/story?id=80715740How can he claim, as co-producer, not to know about these issues?!
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 23, 2021 11:22:27 GMT
Is his career over? Probably depends on how responsible or accountable he is for the accident. It’s not Baldwin’s responsibility to make sure the gun is loaded properly or with the proper ammunition. That falls to the armorer and the prop master. But both of those positions ultimately answer to a producer. And Baldwin is a co-producer. I don’t know if he was a producer over those departments. And even the nature of a (head) producer is not a “one size fits all” or “cookie cutter” thing. On some movies the producer has more power and control than the director. On other movies they might be nothing more than the head gopher/“go for”. I don’t know how things were being run from a production standpoint. But the latest news that just came out is claiming that the armorer and prop department were cutting corners with safety. Allegedly some union people were fired or walked out over it. And allegedly some were replaced with non-union people who don’t meet the same standards. If this is true it can’t be good for anyone who had authority on that movie project. He is the producer, and by now new details have surfaced: the weapons has already several malfunctions, and members of the crew left the set in protest of the working condition. So Baldwin new about the problem with the particular weapon, and the overall situation, and as producer he was the one person responsibly for the conditions on the set. If he hired unqualified stuff to save money, if the stuff was suffering under fatigue etc. pp., then it is on him. And these people left because they were forced to shot long hours, and when you are tired, you make mistakes. That's why we have laws to protect the employees: in regard of the general health, but also to prevent accidents. Again: I would s charge him. We need a proper investigation, and role is significant: as shooter, and as producer. www.staradvertiser.com/2021/10/22/breaking-news/rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-alec-baldwin-fatally-shot-cinematographer/If a human being died because Baldwin cut corners, broke even the law, then he is also partly responsible. In the end the so called prop master lacked any qualification. abcnews.go.com/US/crew-members-hospitalized-prop-gun-misfires-set-alec/story?id=80715740How can he claim, as co-producer, not to know about these issues?! Nobody knows how involved he was as a producer. An actor of that statute is often just given that title. Maybe he found the script and brought it to the director and that's the extent of his production duties. He's certainly not the line producer. He was handed a gun and told it was cold/unloaded. You can charge him in your fantasies all you want, but you have no legal leg to stand on. |
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 23, 2021 11:25:54 GMT
He is the producer, and by now new details have surfaced: the weapons has already several malfunctions, and members of the crew left the set in protest of the working condition. So Baldwin new about the problem with the particular weapon, and the overall situation, and as producer he was the one person responsibly for the conditions on the set. If he hired unqualified stuff to save money, if the stuff was suffering under fatigue etc. pp., then it is on him. And these people left because they were forced to shot long hours, and when you are tired, you make mistakes. That's why we have laws to protect the employees: in regard of the general health, but also to prevent accidents. Again: I would s charge him. We need a proper investigation, and role is significant: as shooter, and as producer. www.staradvertiser.com/2021/10/22/breaking-news/rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-alec-baldwin-fatally-shot-cinematographer/If a human being died because Baldwin cut corners, broke even the law, then he is also partly responsible. In the end the so called prop master lacked any qualification. abcnews.go.com/US/crew-members-hospitalized-prop-gun-misfires-set-alec/story?id=80715740How can he claim, as co-producer, not to know about these issues?! Nobody knows how involved he was as a producer. An actor of that statute is often just given that title. Maybe he found the script and brought it to the director and that's the extent of his production duties. He's certainly not the line producer. He was handed a gun and told it was cold/unloaded. You can charge him in your fantasies all you want, but you have no legal leg to stand on. But that the people walked off, non-union workers were brought in, the long hours, the complaints about the violation of the security protocols. A human being died. I would press charges in order to investigate his part in all this.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 23, 2021 11:41:21 GMT
Nobody knows how involved he was as a producer. An actor of that statute is often just given that title. Maybe he found the script and brought it to the director and that's the extent of his production duties. He's certainly not the line producer. He was handed a gun and told it was cold/unloaded. You can charge him in your fantasies all you want, but you have no legal leg to stand on. But that the people walked off, non-union workers were brought in, the long hours, the complaints about the violation of the security protocols. A human being died. I would press charges in order to investigate his part in all this. Yeah, there are concerns as to what happened, but you don't press charges in order to investigate. You have the order of those things backwards. You're not making sense. |
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Post by MrFurious on Oct 23, 2021 11:43:07 GMT
I think its only Donald trump fans saying this. Wasn't his fault.
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 23, 2021 11:47:57 GMT
I think its only Donald trump fans saying this. Wasn't his fault. On ig with you.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 23, 2021 11:50:14 GMT
I think its only Donald trump fans saying this. Wasn't his fault. Is that what's going on? I guess that would explain the nonsense points I'm seeing. |
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Post by Zos on Oct 23, 2021 13:00:55 GMT
Very good actor who resurrected his career by becoming a first class comedic talent. must be a horrendous thing he's going through. Anyone normal would have nothing but sympathy for him I would have thought.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 23, 2021 14:17:17 GMT
I think he'll face social stigma and maybe even be shunned for a while. But he'll recover. This seems like an unfortunate accident.
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Post by ck100 on Oct 23, 2021 14:25:25 GMT
I don't think his career is over nor will face charges.
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Post by MCDemuth on Oct 23, 2021 16:45:22 GMT
The gun did NOT malfunction or misfire...
The gun was not supposed to have been loaded with any regular rounds of Ammunition...
I've heard that regular rounds of Ammunition are not allowed on sets, to avoid these kinds of accidents...
So where did it come from?
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Post by Surly on Oct 23, 2021 19:09:46 GMT
He is the producer, and by now new details have surfaced: the weapons has already several malfunctions, and members of the crew left the set in protest of the working condition. So Baldwin new about the problem with the particular weapon, and the overall situation, and as producer he was the one person responsibly for the conditions on the set. If he hired unqualified stuff to save money, if the stuff was suffering under fatigue etc. pp., then it is on him. And these people left because they were forced to shot long hours, and when you are tired, you make mistakes. That's why we have laws to protect the employees: in regard of the general health, but also to prevent accidents. Again: I would s charge him. We need a proper investigation, and role is significant: as shooter, and as producer. www.staradvertiser.com/2021/10/22/breaking-news/rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-alec-baldwin-fatally-shot-cinematographer/If a human being died because Baldwin cut corners, broke even the law, then he is also partly responsible. In the end the so called prop master lacked any qualification. abcnews.go.com/US/crew-members-hospitalized-prop-gun-misfires-set-alec/story?id=80715740How can he claim, as co-producer, not to know about these issues?! An actor of that statute is often just given that title. Maybe he found the script and brought it to the director and that's the extent of his production duties. He's certainly not the line producer. He was handed a gun and told it was cold/unloaded. You can charge him in your fantasies all you want, but you have no legal leg to stand on. Exactly. You can’t tell how involved or responsible a producer would be in something like this simply going by the title of producer. It varies a lot from one movie to another. It’s premature to cast blame on him at this point. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Oct 25, 2021 0:13:10 GMT
I think its only Donald trump fans saying this. Wasn't his fault. Is that what's going on? I guess that would explain the nonsense points I'm seeing. That is 100% what is going on.
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Post by MCDemuth on Oct 25, 2021 16:59:32 GMT
The gun did NOT malfunction or misfire... The gun was not supposed to have been loaded with any regular rounds of Ammunition... I've heard that regular rounds of Ammunition are not allowed on sets, to avoid these kinds of accidents... So where did it come from? I knew it... Even if someone is new to the job, they should know, this is a movie set, and only dummy rounds should ever be loaded into any 'prop' gun... So... Who the fuck brought regular ammunition to the set, and loaded it into a 'prop' gun?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 26, 2021 9:49:50 GMT
To each their own
I never understood some peoples infatuation with 'playing' with guns.
Maybe it gives them a sense of empowerment.
Per CNN -
'Crew members on the set of "Rust" used guns with live ammunition and engaged in a pastime called "plinking" hours before Halyna Hutchins was killed, founder and CEO of The Wrap, Sharon Waxman, told CNN's Don Lemon Monday night, citing information from an individual with knowledge of the set.
One of the guns used was later handed to actor Alec Baldwin, who fired the shot that killed Hutchins, 42, and injured director Joel Souza, The Wrap reported.
There's this pastime that crew members sometimes do, it's called 'plinking,' and they go out into the rural areas and they shoot at beer cans. This is with live ammunition. We learned that this happened the morning of the day that Halyna Hutchins was killed," Waxman said.'
Hee Haw
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 26, 2021 11:09:12 GMT
I just put Good Morning America on
2 people killed (4 injured including a cop) in a mall shooting in Idaho
Never ends....
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Post by Power Ranger on Oct 26, 2021 11:20:34 GMT
This interview gets real crazy
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