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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Oct 29, 2021 17:02:12 GMT
This is what bums me out about this though. The one MCU movie that seems as if it’s going to try something new gets panned. Now they have every reason to return to making predictable clones like Black Widow and Shang Chi. Maybe this movie deserves to be rotten, but I doubt it’s simply because it deviates from the norm. It might just be a bad movie regardless. But that’s not going to be the take away. I love Marvel, but after 25 movies the formula, while successful, is starting to get a bit stale. They need movies that shake it up, even if some end up misfiring. Shang Chi wasn't predictable it dragged a bit towards the end but it wasn't predictable. Perhaps not predictable, but it did have that third act problem I mentioned where the big CGI spectacle was out of sync with the rest of the movie and clearly a studio mandate. And also some of the cringiest “Marvel humor” in the franchise with Fake Mandarin and that bottled water chick. Personally I thought Shang Chi was one of their worst- but I know I’m in the minority there.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 29, 2021 20:24:44 GMT
Shang Chi wasn't predictable it dragged a bit towards the end but it wasn't predictable. Perhaps not predictable, but it did have that third act problem I mentioned where the big CGI spectacle was out of sync with the rest of the movie and clearly a studio mandate. And also some of the cringiest “Marvel humor” in the franchise with Fake Mandarin and that bottled water chick. Personally I thought Shang Chi was one of their worst- but I know I’m in the minority there. To be fair, that's not really an MCU formula so much as the stereotypical action-adventure formula. Maybe not a CGI battle, but there's usually some huge climactic action scene at the end of majority of action-adventure movies.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 29, 2021 20:53:26 GMT
I’m strangely more curious to see the movie now. I was half-expecting it to be heralded on the level of Black Panther, but seeing an MCU movie with this kind of reception makes me wonder what exactly it did wrong.
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Oct 29, 2021 22:43:14 GMT
Perhaps not predictable, but it did have that third act problem I mentioned where the big CGI spectacle was out of sync with the rest of the movie and clearly a studio mandate. And also some of the cringiest “Marvel humor” in the franchise with Fake Mandarin and that bottled water chick. Personally I thought Shang Chi was one of their worst- but I know I’m in the minority there. To be fair, that's not really an MCU formula so much as the stereotypical action-adventure formula. Maybe not a CGI battle, but there's usually some huge climactic action scene at the end of majority of action-adventure movies. True. But a good action adventure movie will make sure the action in the climax, however over the top or fantastical, serves the story. Not the other way around. Black Widow for example just comes to a complete halt to do the obligatory pre-planned action sequence and it fucks up the thematic climax in the process. And Shang Chi’s giant monster battle came out of thin blue sky with almost no set up, completely overshadowing the actual story driven conflict between Shang and Wenwu. I cared about Shang and his father, but had zero reason to care about some dumb pointless monster battling a dragon. I actually don’t think this has been a problem in the MCU until Phase Four though.
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Post by Lux on Oct 29, 2021 23:26:35 GMT
To be fair, that's not really an MCU formula so much as the stereotypical action-adventure formula. Maybe not a CGI battle, but there's usually some huge climactic action scene at the end of majority of action-adventure movies. True. But a good action adventure movie will make sure the action in the climax, however over the top or fantastical, serves the story. Not the other way around. Black Widow for example just comes to a complete halt to do the obligatory pre-planned action sequence and it fucks up the thematic climax in the process. And Shang Chi’s giant monster battle came out of thin blue sky with almost no set up, completely overshadowing the actual story driven conflict between Shang and Wenwu. I cared about Shang and his father, but had zero reason to care about some dumb pointless monster battling a dragon. I actually don’t think this has been a problem in the MCU until Phase Four though. Shang and Wenwu was never going to be the main story for the entire movie and actually I'm starting to appreciate the big monster fight more and more as this thread goes on. Yes it was over the top and dragged a bit, but it gave Wenwu's obsession with resurrecting his wife a bigger purpose. The monsters were well designed and the soul sucking creatures were just great. It was a bit jumping from one place to another too much but I liked it. |
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Post by Lux on Oct 29, 2021 23:30:23 GMT
I’m strangely more curious to see the movie now. I was half-expecting it to be heralded on the level of Black Panther, but seeing an MCU movie with this kind of reception makes me wonder what exactly it did wrong. I was going to watch Eternals anyway. It's funny that they've made the fat black superhero gay too. They threw a lot at him. |
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Post by darkpast on Oct 30, 2021 2:29:19 GMT
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Oct 30, 2021 2:54:42 GMT
This movie has opened already? With all the death laurels it must tanked the box office? Was really that bad? Because I wanted to see it. Damn.
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Post by darkpast on Oct 30, 2021 3:15:15 GMT
This movie has opened already? With all the death laurels it must tanked the box office? Was really that bad? Because I wanted to see it. Damn. no, boxoffice will be relatively fine , but not a huge hit
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Oct 30, 2021 3:16:59 GMT
This movie has opened already? With all the death laurels it must tanked the box office? Was really that bad? Because I wanted to see it. Damn. no, boxoffice will be relatively fine , but not a huge hit If geniuses at RT have it 59%, it must be pretty damn good.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Oct 30, 2021 3:53:48 GMT
It's either just another formulaic MCU movie, or it strayed too far from the MCU formula and should have stuck closer. The negative reviews have led me to believe both these things must be true.
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Post by darkpast on Oct 30, 2021 4:19:42 GMT
It's either just another formulaic MCU movie, or it strayed too far from the MCU formula and should have stuck closer. The negative reviews have led me to believe both these things must be true. its also 2 hrs 37 mins , at least venom is only 90 mins
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Post by salomonj on Oct 30, 2021 4:35:24 GMT
Reading through the reviews this seems like the first mcu I might be interested in.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Oct 30, 2021 7:41:06 GMT
It's either just another formulaic MCU movie, or it strayed too far from the MCU formula and should have stuck closer. The negative reviews have led me to believe both these things must be true. I think it has a whole new cast of characters and that might be throwing some off. I've not seen it and never judge a film based on someone else's subjective opinion. If enough of them say a movie stinks, then I will take their word for it and avoid it. However, RT scores can be deceptive, especially when riding in the middle, so I only read two or three of my go-to movie critics whose taste in film matches my own before I spend money at the BO. If I'm planning on seeing it on streaming, I don't bother with critics since I can turn the channel if a movie sucks. I just glanced at a review on RT and one says this: There are bumps in the road. Even Zhao can’t hold back the avalanche of exposition that slackens the pace or alien attacks (look out for that giant lobster) with special effects that seem lifted from the standard Marvel playbook.
Since this is introducing 10 unknown characters, I can see a problem with pacing.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 30, 2021 7:53:43 GMT
59% is rotten now? I thought you had to get to under 50% to be rotten?
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Post by ghostintheshell on Oct 30, 2021 8:51:41 GMT
It would have been lower if it wasn't released under Marvel banner.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Oct 30, 2021 15:05:30 GMT
I have no dog in this hunt (except for maybe Doctor Strange, I'm pretty much done with the MCU after ENDGAME), but it's my understanding that the "anti-woke" brownshirts really have their knives out for this film... You know: female director, strong female characters, non-white characters, gay characters, etc.
Yada yada yada.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 30, 2021 16:06:56 GMT
I have no dog in this hunt (except for maybe Doctor Strange, I'm pretty much done with the MCU after ENDGAME), but it's my understanding that the "anti-woke" brownshirts really have their knives out for this film... You know: female director, strong female characters, non-white characters, gay characters, etc. Yada yada yada. I’ve seen posts from a few of them blaming its reception on the fact that Chloe Zhao is Chinese. |
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Post by scabab on Oct 30, 2021 16:11:39 GMT
60%. One percent from becoming rotten.
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Post by onethreetwo on Oct 30, 2021 16:16:22 GMT
Is this the first MCU movie to ever dip below 60%? Even if just momentarily?
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