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Post by lune7000 on Nov 6, 2021 13:13:21 GMT
Say something bad about somebody alive today and your likely to be sued. But after a person dies the truth often tends to come out. Almost everything I have read about actors who have passed away is bad. It seems like to be an actor is synonymous with being a scumbag. This makes sense to some extent as becoming famous always attracts those who will do anything to achieve their goal. Once famous, many feel like they are gods.
Of course the counter-argument is that most people in general are also devious and selfish.
Do you think actors are worse than average or average in this regard (ethics/vanity)?
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Nov 6, 2021 13:43:59 GMT
This about Kirk Douglas allegedly raping Natalie Wood?
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Post by lune7000 on Nov 6, 2021 14:43:58 GMT
This about Kirk Douglas allegedly raping Natalie Wood? It's about that Woody Allen, Johnny Depp and just about everyone else I've usually found that power attracts bad people- or makes them bad after it's gained
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Post by theravenking on Nov 6, 2021 15:38:14 GMT
I don't think power necessarily attracts bad people, it's just that we tend to focus more on the bad than the good. Evil has a larger impact on our lives than goodness, we notice it more often, it makes us upset. I think most of us are born with this belief that life is supposed to be good and fun and fulfilling and when it turns out that it's not, we feel hurt and start lamenting the sad state of our existence.
There are also gentle and kind celebrities who help a lot of people, but their lives don't provide any great drama. People doing good rarely makes it into the news and even if it does it won't make any headlines and will be forgotten quickly.
Plus commenting on others doing bad things makes us feel superior to them. "Oh, look, Johnny Depp beat his girlfriend! I would never do such a thing! I'm so much better than that bastard!"
I've seen normal, regular folks doing some horrible things, so no, I don't think actors are any worse than the rest of us. It's just that their mis-steps get noticed and are made public, that's all.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 6, 2021 16:07:57 GMT
I don`t know.
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Post by marianne48 on Nov 6, 2021 19:14:28 GMT
The public tends to build up their celebrities as special, so those that tarnish those inflated reputations tend to look even dirtier, especially if their public personas are particularly glowing.
Actors who made their reputations as "bad guys," such as Dan Duryea, Richard Widmark, and Edward G. Robinson, for example, wouldn't shock too many people if they had ugly things in their pasts (although all three of these guys were, apparently, actually sweet and gentle in real life.) Michael Landon, revered by many for his role as beloved Pa Ingalls on Little House on the Prairie, was a lot different in real life, according to co-star Karen Grassle's new book. (The real Pa Ingalls apparently wasn't such a nice guy, either).
That doesn't explain why some people seem to want to find any kind of dirt on people who seem unreproachable. Fred Rogers appears to be the frequent target of unfounded rumors ("He wears those long-sleeved sweaters to hide all the military tattoos he got when he was an Army sniper!" etc.) It aggravates them that they can't find a way to taint his reputation as a genuinely decent man.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 6, 2021 22:38:08 GMT
Say something bad about somebody alive today and your likely to be sued. But after a person dies the truth often tends to come out. Almost everything I have read about actors who have passed away is bad. It seems like to be an actor is synonymous with being a scumbag. This makes sense to some extent as becoming famous always attracts those who will do anything to achieve their goal. Once famous, many feel like they are gods. Of course the counter-argument is that most people in general are also devious and selfish. Do you think actors are worse than average or average in this regard (ethics/vanity)?I was going to say yes (not just actors, but rich and powerful people in general), but I think it is an impossible question to answer and relies on too much speculation. I think with vanity it is a definite yes though. When you keep being told how great you are and have that much success and people are doing everything you ask and you get your way much of the time, it isn't surprising that you would have an ego problem.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 6, 2021 22:42:34 GMT
Gary Oldman seems like an okay human being, at least nowadays. Would probably get on my nerves with his neo-con whining, but the only people of disagreement I really hate are the ones too cowardly to defend their positions.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 6, 2021 22:48:46 GMT
Gary Oldman seems like an okay human being, at least nowadays. Would probably get on my nerves with his neo-con whining, but the only people of disagreement I really hate are the ones too cowardly to defend their positions. I have mostly heard he use to be an asshole and had an anger problem. I read that he had a problem with alcohol in the past and that can influence people's behavior for the worse obviously.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 6, 2021 22:50:48 GMT
Gary Oldman seems like an okay human being, at least nowadays. Would probably get on my nerves with his neo-con whining, but the only people of disagreement I really hate are the ones too cowardly to defend their positions. I have mostly heard he use to be an asshole and had an anger problem. I read that he had a problem with alcohol in the past and that can influence people's behavior for the worse obviously. That's why I said nowadays. He seems to have cleaned up his act. |
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 6, 2021 22:53:33 GMT
I have mostly heard he use to be an asshole and had an anger problem. I read that he had a problem with alcohol in the past and that can influence people's behavior for the worse obviously. That's why I said nowadays. I should have been more clear. I wasn't questioning what you said, I was simply stating what I have heard about his past and seeing if it lined up with the stuff you had heard. I am not always trying to argue. 
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 6, 2021 22:57:18 GMT
That's why I said nowadays. I should have been more clear. I wasn't questioning what you said, I was simply stating what I have heard about his past and seeing if it lined up with the stuff you had heard. I am not always trying to argue. Gotta maintain appearances. Lux is already onto the fact that we're the same guy.  |
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 6, 2021 23:07:33 GMT
I should have been more clear. I wasn't questioning what you said, I was simply stating what I have heard about his past and seeing if it lined up with the stuff you had heard. I am not always trying to argue. Gotta maintain appearances. Lux is already onto the fact that we're the same guy. First it was that we are in love with each other and now we are the same guy. That wink isn't helping. He apparently just ignores everything that would contradict that. Now I have no doubt that he is going to respond to one of or both of our responses in some kind of unsavory way.
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