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Post by janntosh on Dec 2, 2021 15:22:56 GMT
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Post by Lux on Dec 2, 2021 19:34:49 GMT
It actually looks not bad.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 2, 2021 19:36:54 GMT
Slightly higher critic rating than the 1961 original actually.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 2, 2021 20:53:18 GMT
It looks good, but I'm not a big musical guy. I'll probably check it out after the theatrical release at some point.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 2, 2021 22:15:44 GMT
I’ll see it at some point. Might as well see the original movie too eventually.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 3, 2021 0:22:54 GMT
I’ll see it at some point. Might as well see the original movie too eventually. It's good enough that I didn't think this remake was very necessary. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 9, 2021 7:18:43 GMT
Okay...it was actually pretty great. Doesn't change a ton from the original except it's shot completely differently (static golden age panavision vs a camera that swoops all over the place with some very stunning use of color). Spielberg hadn't been this awake in a long time, and he's a natural fit for musicals. Wasn't expecting much, but I really enjoyed it.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 9, 2021 7:36:07 GMT
I;m not a fan of musicals at all. People spontaneously burst into song as often as they spontaneously burst into flames. Especially NYC street gangs
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 9, 2021 8:34:28 GMT
Okay...it was actually pretty great. Doesn't change a ton from the original except it's shot completely differently (static golden age panavision vs a camera that swoops all over the place with some very stunning use of color). Spielberg hadn't been this awake in a long time, and he's a natural fit for musicals. Wasn't expecting much, but I really enjoyed it. What do you mean by “very stunning use of color?” A satisfying and good use of color palate or just depressing and dark all the way through? |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 9, 2021 9:11:18 GMT
Okay...it was actually pretty great. Doesn't change a ton from the original except it's shot completely differently (static golden age panavision vs a camera that swoops all over the place with some very stunning use of color). Spielberg hadn't been this awake in a long time, and he's a natural fit for musicals. Wasn't expecting much, but I really enjoyed it. What do you mean by “very stunning use of color?” A satisfying and good use of color palate or just depressing and dark all the way through? Depressing and dark wouldn't be very stunning. There are some very nicely lit scenes, one framed by stained glass that stands out, and another behind the bleachers at the dance where Tony and Maria meet. I wouldn't mind this beating Dune for a Cinematography Oscar. |
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Post by spooner5020 on Dec 9, 2021 11:05:37 GMT
Okay...it was actually pretty great. Doesn't change a ton from the original except it's shot completely differently (static golden age panavision vs a camera that swoops all over the place with some very stunning use of color). Spielberg hadn't been this awake in a long time, and he's a natural fit for musicals. Wasn't expecting much, but I really enjoyed it. It seems very shot by shot. Is it? |
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Post by Doghouse6 on Dec 9, 2021 11:53:38 GMT
I;m not a fan of musicals at all. People spontaneously burst into song as often as they spontaneously burst into flames. Especially NYC street gangs That was truer sixty-odd years ago than it is now: today, we have flash mobs.  If one doesn't like musicals, that's just the way it is for some viewers (I don't happen to cotton much to westerns, and superhero or mythical-world fantasies bore me silly). But aside from anything avant garde or experimental, the musical has always been the most stylized of film forms, which carries over from its stage-bound roots. Perhaps it's that very aspect that puts some people off. But of course, "people spontaneously burst[ing] into song" doesn't represent the totality of the genre. Within that form, there has always existed a subset wherein musical performances take place only in realistic contexts, such as a theater, concert venue, nightclub or what have you. The very first film musical, 1927's The Jazz Singer, followed this template. But for those of us who love them, performances of great music and dance are more than enough, even in films that have relatively little else to recommend them.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 9, 2021 17:34:10 GMT
I;m not a fan of musicals at all. People spontaneously burst into song as often as they spontaneously burst into flames. Especially NYC street gangs That was truer sixty-odd years ago than it is now: today, we have flash mobs. If one doesn't like musicals, that's just the way it is for some viewers (I don't happen to cotton much to westerns, and superhero or mythical-world fantasies bore me silly). But aside from anything avant garde or experimental, the musical has always been the most stylized of film forms, which carries over from its stage-bound roots. Perhaps it's that very aspect that puts some people off. But of course, "people spontaneously burst[ing] into song" doesn't represent the totality of the genre. Within that form, there has always existed a subset wherein musical performances take place only in realistic contexts, such as a theater, concert venue, nightclub or what have you. The very first film musical, 1927's The Jazz Singer, followed this template. But for those of us who love them, performances of great music and dance are more than enough, even in films that have relatively little else to recommend them. I can handle musicals in the vein of The Jazz Singer, 42nd Street et al. Where the song and dance is in context. But musicals like Seven Brides, Oklahoma!, West Side Story, they don't trip my trigger.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Dec 9, 2021 17:45:27 GMT
That was truer sixty-odd years ago than it is now: today, we have flash mobs. If one doesn't like musicals, that's just the way it is for some viewers (I don't happen to cotton much to westerns, and superhero or mythical-world fantasies bore me silly). But aside from anything avant garde or experimental, the musical has always been the most stylized of film forms, which carries over from its stage-bound roots. Perhaps it's that very aspect that puts some people off. But of course, "people spontaneously burst[ing] into song" doesn't represent the totality of the genre. Within that form, there has always existed a subset wherein musical performances take place only in realistic contexts, such as a theater, concert venue, nightclub or what have you. The very first film musical, 1927's The Jazz Singer, followed this template. But for those of us who love them, performances of great music and dance are more than enough, even in films that have relatively little else to recommend them. I can handle musicals in the vein of The Jazz Singer, 42nd Street et al. Where the song and dance is in context. But musicals like Seven Brides, Oklahoma!, West Side Story, they don't trip my trigger.
Fair 'nuff, TheGoodMan19. Thanks for both the reply and the specificity.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 9, 2021 17:58:42 GMT
I can handle musicals in the vein of The Jazz Singer, 42nd Street et al. Where the song and dance is in context. But musicals like Seven Brides, Oklahoma!, West Side Story, they don't trip my trigger.
Fair 'nuff, TheGoodMan19 . Thanks for both the reply and the specificity. I'd add Cabaret too. And I actually love Fiddler on the Roof. A musical decidedly in the vein of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. Why, not sure. I'm a big Russian history nerd, so maybe that's it. And I love to watch Fred Astaire dance. I respect musicals, just not for me. I'm sure there's lots here who have no use for westerns.
Funny that the end of Fiddler seems so sad. But the characters were given a great favor to be kicked out of the Pale of Settlement at that time. In 30+ years, western Russia was not a nice place for Jews to be.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 9, 2021 18:39:57 GMT
Okay...it was actually pretty great. Doesn't change a ton from the original except it's shot completely differently (static golden age panavision vs a camera that swoops all over the place with some very stunning use of color). Spielberg hadn't been this awake in a long time, and he's a natural fit for musicals. Wasn't expecting much, but I really enjoyed it. It seems very shot by shot. Is it? Well, I did go on about how they were shot differently (and they're staged differently as well). You mean in terms of the script? It's pretty similar. I only noticed a few differences: 1. A line here and there 2. I may be misremembering, but I feel like the new Tony has more backstory 3. Likewise, I *think* Rita Morino's character was new 4. Anybody's is more literally trans I would say don't go into it looking for a new take on West Side Story, but for Spielberg's take on a classic musical. |
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Post by claudius on Dec 9, 2021 19:30:58 GMT
“Funny that the end of Fiddler seems so sad. But the characters were given a great favor to be kicked out of the Pale of Settlement at that time. In 30+ years, western Russia was not a nice place for Jews to be.”
Well, one daughter stays in the country. The other two go to Poland, although one of them- the married mother- promises to head for the US once funds are available.
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Post by mikef6 on Dec 9, 2021 19:59:27 GMT
It seems very shot by shot. Is it? Well, I did go on about how they were shot differently (and they're staged differently as well). You mean in terms of the script? It's pretty similar. I only noticed a few differences: 1. A line here and there 2. I may be misremembering, but I feel like the new Tony has more backstory 3. Likewise, I *think* Rita Morino's character was new 4. Anybody's is more literally trans I would say don't go into it looking for a new take on West Side Story, but for Spielberg's take on a classic musical. From what I understand, Tony quit the Jets after serving a prison term. Rita Moreno plays the widow of the shop owner, Doc (Ned Glass) from the 1961. I think Rita even has a song. Say, wouldn't be great if she got another Supporting Oscar for another WSS after 60 years.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 9, 2021 20:07:54 GMT
Well, I did go on about how they were shot differently (and they're staged differently as well). You mean in terms of the script? It's pretty similar. I only noticed a few differences: 1. A line here and there 2. I may be misremembering, but I feel like the new Tony has more backstory 3. Likewise, I *think* Rita Morino's character was new 4. Anybody's is more literally trans I would say don't go into it looking for a new take on West Side Story, but for Spielberg's take on a classic musical. From what I understand, Tony quit the Jets after serving a prison term. Rita Moreno plays the widow of the shop owner, Doc (Ned Glass) from the 1961. I think Rita even has a song. Say, wouldn't be great if she got another Supporting Oscar for another WSS after 60 years. Indeed. Is that backstory in the original or not? Moreno sings "Somewhere" which was sung by Tony and Maria(?) as a duet in the original. She's pretty moving, wouldn't mind the nomination. Her and the John Mulaney looking kid who played Riff are the best of the cast, I'd say. |
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Post by Doghouse6 on Dec 9, 2021 21:00:00 GMT
Fair 'nuff, TheGoodMan19 . Thanks for both the reply and the specificity. I'd add Cabaret too. And I actually love Fiddler on the Roof. A musical decidedly in the vein of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. Why, not sure. I'm a big Russian history nerd, so maybe that's it. And I love to watch Fred Astaire dance. I respect musicals, just not for me. I'm sure there's lots here who have no use for westerns.
Funny that the end of Fiddler seems so sad. But the characters were given a great favor to be kicked out of the Pale of Settlement at that time. In 30+ years, western Russia was not a nice place for Jews to be.
's a good example of that "in context" template and was indeed on my mind when posting. Oddly, Fiddler was one that just didn't bake my knish; another example of we-like-what-we-like-and-don't-what-we-don't. But it's been fifty years since my only viewing, so I can't now adequately articulate whatever my reasoning and feelings were at the time. And other than Oklahoma!, most Rodgers and Hammerstein don't really connect with me, either. But that's how it goes sometimes. As it is with you, most of us can find respect and appreciation even where we can't generate affection.
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