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Post by Sarge on Jan 6, 2022 23:27:27 GMT
You say he might not have existed, but also argue he was a traveling salesman, lol. Next you'll argue that he wasn't a warlord, just a leader with an army who killed people because he was "persecuted." And by persecuted you mean he tried to force his religion on people that didn't want it so they fought him. He was persecuted the same way Caesar was persecuted by the Gauls. What part of “according to legend” dontcha get, Sarge. And you seem upset Mohammad might not be real. I think you guys would much less confused about everything if you’d learn your phonics.
How I feel about something is irrelevant, Mohammed begat a violent religion. It's not anger or phobia or phonics, it's just what happened. Instead of focusing on me, worry about what information goes into your brain: blogs pumping books aren't legit historical sources. I suspect this whitewashing of Mohammed's past is a misguided effort to prevent bigotry toward Muslims but the best way to stop that is to stop fundamentalists in their religion from killing everyone that won't accept them and the onus for that should be on Muslims, not the Western World.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 8, 2022 7:51:05 GMT
How I feel about something is irrelevant, Mohammed begat a violent religion. It's not anger or phobia or phonics, it's just what happened. Instead of focusing on me, worry about what information goes into your brain: blogs pumping books aren't legit historical sources. I suspect this whitewashing of Mohammed's past is a misguided effort to prevent bigotry toward Muslims but the best way to stop that is to stop fundamentalists in their religion from killing everyone that won't accept them and the onus for that should be on Muslims, not the Western World.
No argument from me...and Christianity is no bargain either. And fuck me, I just said it is possible Mohammad did not even exist and you accuse me whitewashing. That is sick. And I've been book pumping since at least 1990. It took ten years, but I got my degree and probably have read more books about Mohammad then you. Studying history is not religion. And the reason both religions are covered in the blood of the innocent is because human beings are violent. It's not hard to figure out. You're being melodramatic. Arguing he probably didn't exist undermines your previous argument that he was a caravan leader. If he didn't exist, you can't be certain of anything about him. Mohammad wasn't really that special, just another warlord using religion to gain power, it worked so his warlord descendants kept it going.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 8, 2022 8:16:12 GMT
You're being melodramatic. Arguing he probably didn't exist undermines your previous argument that he was a caravan leader. If he didn't exist, you can't be certain of anything about him. Mohammad wasn't really that special, just another warlord using religion to gain power, it worked so his warlord descendants kept it going. What does this mean: "according to legend...?" Mohammad wasn't really that special, just another warlord using religion to gain power, it worked so his warlord descendants kept it going. And I do not disagree. But for some freaky reason, you Christians think if we do not damn Mohammad to hell with every breath we take, we are also Muslims or hate Christians so much that we will support Muslims.
All three Abrahamic religious have been at each others throats since their inception and when you're not killing each other you are killing the rest of us. Any good you do, you turn around and destroy it. You'd think after 2000 years all of you've would calm down. Think how much happier this world would be if the Christians and Muslims had nothing to fight over...and nothing is all the proof either of you have that your God is the correct one and the whole planet must bend to your will. Zero evidence for both. Nada. I'm not a Christian. You keep trying to make the discussion about me, is it because you are insecure in your knowledge of the subject? You never learned how to construct an argument, or dispassionate discourse, in the course of getting your degree? And apparently you read some really bad books on Mohammad because you don't know very much about him. This is going nowhere, you aren't interested, or aren't able, to discuss Mohammad and you will continue trying to draw me into a flame war which I find incredibly boring. Peace out.
VVVV Too late, not bothering to read anymore replies, you had your chance. VVVVVV
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Post by clusium on Jan 8, 2022 15:10:46 GMT
That's right. Actually there has been violence in pretty much all religious history (atheists, you make no exceptions). Indeed, the only ones that really did not make any atrocities & pretty much lived up to their religion's virtuous & morality, are the ones that have always been too small for any fanatics to commit any violent acts. But the atheist does not kill in the name of No God. If they kill it's because they are murdering for power, money, jealous, revenge or over some extreme ideology like Nazism. True, but, they persecuted people for choosing to continue to practice their religion though. Or, in the case of the Nazis, just being part of a specific religion, whether you practiced or believed, or not (the Jewish people). As for those who killed in the Name Of God: It was God Himself, Who SPECIFICALLY Said, " Thou Shalt NOT Kill." Therefore, they have to answer to Him for breaking His Commandment, all the while claiming to do it in His Holy Name.
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Post by clusium on Jan 8, 2022 19:35:34 GMT
True, but, they persecuted people for choosing to continue to practice their religion though. Or, in the case of the Nazis, just being part of a specific religion, whether you practiced or believed, or not (the Jewish people). As for those who killed in the Name Of God: It was God Himself, Who SPECIFICALLY Said, " Thou Shalt NOT Kill." Therefore, they have to answer to Him for breaking His Commandment, all the while claiming to do it in His Holy Name. Thou shalt not kill? Of course, you and me and them shalt not kill. Who’s arguing with that? Theists and atheists both agree killing is something no one should do and the full extent of the law should come down upon them. Amen, sista. But atheist do not persecute theists. Not on the basis of atheism alone. Sniping back and forth on the Internet is not persecution. Telling God is dead jokes is not persecution. Not saying Merry Christmas is not persecution. And Nazism was a religion in its own way. So was/is Communism. Even Capitalism can be a religion. Yes, no doubt Islam is a crappy religion to treat its own believers like dogs. Hopefully, it will die off someday. In the meantime, we got to live with them. And there are other ideologies that also persecute people and they’re called Christians. They persecute other Christians as well. Me saying this to you is not persecution. There are great, good, God-loving people in the churches. I do not discount that. The churches were/are centers of learning of the arts and science, as well as cultural and moral values. They celebrate the poor people, not damn them. But they are not the problem. They are usually the first to get their heads chopped off, both literally and figuratively, when self-righteous get in a panic. The reason you (and by you means those who make this argument) can never win the argument “theists are better than atheists,” or “theism is moral and atheism is not,” is because 1) you have nothing to support your authority over anyone else’s morality except via divine revelation, of which you have no evidence other than hearsay; 2) you have no claim to being morally superior other than your actions which the church universal has historical and currently failed to prove. I’m sure you are a good person and devoted to your Lord. If going to mass and praying the rosary makes you joyful, then do it. I would never stand in the way of that. But I’m going to stand by my beliefs, which I don’t impose on others. Yes, atheists have killed theists. The afore-mentioned Nazism & Communism may have been religions "in their own way," but, make no mistake about it: THEY WERE ATHEISTIC IDEOLOGIES. People who dared to continue to practice their religious beliefs in any kind of way under Communist rule, ended up being prisoned, tortured, and/or eventually executed. Nowhere in my post did I claim that saying "God is dead," or not saying "Merry Christmas" is religious persecution. When I say atheists have persecuted theists, I was SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO IDEOLOGIES, SUCH AS COMMUNISM, NAZISM, ETC. Millions of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, Romany, etc. have have been killed under these ideologies (even if you could make the case for them being religions of sorts - Nazism in particular, if not Communism), for refusing to give up their God, gods, and/religious & spiritual beliefs.
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Post by clusium on Jan 8, 2022 21:58:31 GMT
Yes, atheists have killed theists. The afore-mentioned Nazism & Communism may have been religions "in their own way," but, make no mistake about it: THEY WERE ATHEISTIC IDEOLOGIES. People who dared to continue to practice their religious beliefs in any kind of way under Communist rule, ended up being prisoned, tortured, and/or eventually executed. Nowhere in my post did I claim that saying "God is dead," or not saying "Merry Christmas" is religious persecution. When I say atheists have persecuted theists, I was SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO IDEOLOGIES, SUCH AS COMMUNISM, NAZISM, ETC. Millions of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, Romany, etc. have have been killed under these ideologies (even if you could make the case for them being religions of sorts - Nazism in particular, if not Communism), for refusing to give up their God, gods, and/religious & spiritual beliefs. Most Nazis were also Christians. Communism is a political ideology. And I’m done talking, Clu. Good bye. Maybe the foot soldiers within the Nazis were, by not the higher-ups. They were mainly made up of people who believed in Teutonic paganism (see gameboy's posts to gadreel, on the The Racist Dark Side of Norse Paganism thread that you yourself created), divination, & eastern religions. Yes, Communism is a political ideology. However, it is also an atheistic ideology too.
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Post by clusium on Jan 9, 2022 3:38:49 GMT
Maybe the foot soldiers within the Nazis were, by not the higher-ups. They were mainly made up of people who believed in Teutonic paganism (see gameboy 's posts to gadreel , on the The Racist Dark Side of Norse Paganism thread that you yourself created), divination, & eastern religions. Yes, Communism is a political ideology. However, it is also an atheistic ideology too. And I’m done talking, Clu. Good bye.
Clu, if you got that blowhard to STFU for once, kudos to you. Lol.
There is no way the Nazi leadership was Christian. And do what, worship a Jew?
Hitler was an atheist. And he borrowed much of his ideology from Nietzsche's existentialism, power of the will, and concept of the superior man, Nietzsche's Übermensch.
He used Teutonic mythology as imagery and I believe his long term goal was to restore Germanic paganism as the state religion.
Yeah, that's my understanding too. And no matter what kind of whitewashing they would try to do, they (Hitler & co.) could NEVER erase the Jewishness Of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 9, 2022 3:55:16 GMT
And I’m done talking, Clu. Good bye. Clu, if you got that blowhard to STFU for once, kudos to you. Lol. There is no way the Nazi leadership was Christian. And do what, worship a Jew? Hitler was an atheist. And he borrowed much of his ideology from Nietzsche's existentialism, power of the will, and concept of the superior man, Nietzsche's Übermensch. He used Teutonic mythology as imagery and I believe his long term goal was to restore Germanic paganism as the state religion.
Yeah, that's my understanding too. And no matter what kind of whitewashing they would try to do, they (Hitler & co.) could NEVER erase the Jewishness Of the Lord Jesus Christ. Hitler was born Roman Catholic, by the end I believe it's accepted he was quasi-Christian but anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic and anti-atheist. Who knows, the man had mental health issues, was certainly narcissistic. I believe, he believed, he was the hero of his story. His anti-Semitic attitudes were not uncommon at the time, as many believed Jews controlled money and media, a belief that continues today. Generally speaking, his movement was part of a conservative political movement, I wouldn't categorize under religious movements.
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Post by clusium on Jan 9, 2022 5:54:58 GMT
Yeah, that's my understanding too. And no matter what kind of whitewashing they would try to do, they (Hitler & co.) could NEVER erase the Jewishness Of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is a white supremacist movement called Christian Identity which claims the Jews of today are not really Jews. But Hitler was not part of that group. He was both anti-Semitic and anti-Christian.
Here's a Wikipedia article on Christian Identity:
Interesting. Thanks.
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Post by clusium on Jan 9, 2022 5:57:21 GMT
Yeah, that's my understanding too. And no matter what kind of whitewashing they would try to do, they (Hitler & co.) could NEVER erase the Jewishness Of the Lord Jesus Christ. Hitler was born Roman Catholic, by the end I believe it's accepted he was quasi-Christian but anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic and anti-atheist. Who knows, the man had mental health issues, was certainly narcissistic. I believe, he believed, he was the hero of his story. His anti-Semitic attitudes were not uncommon at the time, as many believed Jews controlled money and media, a belief that continues today. Generally speaking, his movement was part of a conservative political movement, I wouldn't categorize under religious movements. Yes, & he got the German people to believe that too.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 9, 2022 6:47:36 GMT
Hitler was born Roman Catholic, by the end I believe it's accepted he was quasi-Christian but anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic and anti-atheist. Who knows, the man had mental health issues, was certainly narcissistic. I believe, he believed, he was the hero of his story. His anti-Semitic attitudes were not uncommon at the time, as many believed Jews controlled money and media, a belief that continues today. Generally speaking, his movement was part of a conservative political movement, I wouldn't categorize under religious movements. Yes, & he got the German people to believe that too. Yes, enough of them anyway, as we've seen in recent years it doesn't even take a majority. He used the effective tactic of turning people against one another, Us vs Them. Liberal vs Conservative. Aryan vs Jew. Germany vs Europe. His politics don't neatly align with ours today unless you understand the underlaying mental gymnastics of Fear of the Other, combined with narcissism and a longing for a past that was never experienced. One of the reasons religions, especially fundamentalist religion, is so appealing to conservatives is it is also very resistant to change; that and its perceived role in tradition. Christianity at its root is a liberal religion, Jesus was basically a hippy, even though many practitioners are conservative. Islam is a far more conservative religion and double dangerous for it, as conservative ideas spread like an infection through uneducated populations.
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Post by clusium on Jan 9, 2022 13:10:27 GMT
Yes, & he got the German people to believe that too. Yes, enough of them anyway, as we've seen in recent years it doesn't even take a majority. He used the effective tactic of turning people against one another, Us vs Them. Liberal vs Conservative. Aryan vs Jew. Germany vs Europe. His politics don't neatly align with ours today unless you understand the underlaying mental gymnastics of Fear of the Other, combined with narcissism and a longing for a past that was never experienced. One of the reasons religions, especially fundamentalist religion, is so appealing to conservatives is it is also very resistant to change; that and its perceived role in tradition. Christianity at its root is a liberal religion, Jesus was basically a hippy, even though many practitioners are conservative. Islam is a far more conservative religion and double dangerous for it, as conservative ideas spread like an infection through uneducated populations. Back in the mid 90s, Canada was almost broken up, when the province of Quebec held a referendum to separate. Historically, Quebec had always been the "problem child" of our country, as it is the only province in our country that is French, while the rest of the country is English. Well the "No" side won, but, not by a majority. The then premier of Quebec was furious (as he so zealously advocated for separating Quebec from Canada), & in his speech to the Quebec people (in French, of course), he said "Someday we will have our own country; the only reason we lost is because of money & the ethnic vote." He could have potentially put a target on people (of ethnic origin) by saying that in his public speaking on the subject.
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Post by clusium on Jan 9, 2022 16:06:14 GMT
Yes, & he got the German people to believe that too. Yes, enough of them anyway, as we've seen in recent years it doesn't even take a majority. He used the effective tactic of turning people against one another, Us vs Them. Liberal vs Conservative. Aryan vs Jew. Germany vs Europe. His politics don't neatly align with ours today unless you understand the underlaying mental gymnastics of Fear of the Other, combined with narcissism and a longing for a past that was never experienced. One of the reasons religions, especially fundamentalist religion, is so appealing to conservatives is it is also very resistant to change; that and its perceived role in tradition. Christianity at its root is a liberal religion, Jesus was basically a hippy, even though many practitioners are conservative. Islam is a far more conservative religion and double dangerous for it, as conservative ideas spread like an infection through uneducated populations. However, Christianity can be interpreted either way: Conservative or liberal. I personally oppose the view of Our Lord Jesus "as a hippie." While the hippie movement DID claim to be all about peace, even they could or would resort to violence to get their own political views across. Charles Manson's cult was basically made up of hippies, for example. Religion is all about serving God or gods, & carrying out His (or they're) Will. Since Christianity (& most other religions)teach that God Is Our Father, doing works of charity & peace play a prominent role in the religion, regardless if one is conservative or liberal or right wing or left wing. Basically one's goal in following Christianity is to try to choose right over wrong, regardless if whether your views are conservative ones or liberal ones.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 10, 2022 7:03:06 GMT
Yes, enough of them anyway, as we've seen in recent years it doesn't even take a majority. He used the effective tactic of turning people against one another, Us vs Them. Liberal vs Conservative. Aryan vs Jew. Germany vs Europe. His politics don't neatly align with ours today unless you understand the underlaying mental gymnastics of Fear of the Other, combined with narcissism and a longing for a past that was never experienced. One of the reasons religions, especially fundamentalist religion, is so appealing to conservatives is it is also very resistant to change; that and its perceived role in tradition. Christianity at its root is a liberal religion, Jesus was basically a hippy, even though many practitioners are conservative. Islam is a far more conservative religion and double dangerous for it, as conservative ideas spread like an infection through uneducated populations. However, Christianity can be interpreted either way: Conservative or liberal. I personally oppose the view of Our Lord Jesus "as a hippie." While the hippie movement DID claim to be all about peace, even they could or would resort to violence to get their own political views across. Charles Manson's cult was basically made up of hippies, for example. Religion is all about serving God or gods, & carrying out His (or they're) Will. Since Christianity (& most other religions)teach that God Is Our Father, doing works of charity & peace play a prominent role in the religion, regardless if one is conservative or liberal or right wing or left wing. Basically one's goal in following Christianity is to try to choose right over wrong, regardless if whether your views are conservative ones or liberal ones.
My dog isn't religious but obeys the house rules and all the commandments relevant to morality, which is about half of them. She might covet my neighbor's ass, not sure how you enforce that one in humans either. It's a good rule to live by but an unenforceable law. And Yahweh clearly meant for humans to enforce the ten commandments, like stoning a man to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. Poor schmuck didn't even get a warning, like hey you, put down those sticks, it's Sunday! Oh, thanks for being a bro. Nope, it's a slow, painful, death, depriving a family of its bread winner because he dared to pick up firewood on god's weekly holiday. And what if you accidentally glanced at your neighbor's ass for just a little too long ... DEATH! Don't dare tell me that religion is about morality. And it's not about serving gods either, if it were, the gods would participate.
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Post by Hnefahogg on Jan 10, 2022 9:29:08 GMT
There is somewhat conflicting evidence regarding whether Hitler was a Christian or not. Stalin renounced his Orthodoxy, but Hitler never formally left the Catholic Church. In Mein Kampf, when he was younger, Hitler expresses statements of religious belief and says that he prayed on his knees when WWI broke out. In the 1920's, he called Jews 'brood of vipers' in speeches which is believed that he may have gotten from Martin Luther who used it in On the Jews and Their Lies and who presumably had taken it from Matthew 3:7. Later in life, Hitler made pro-Christian statements in speeches and told his adjutant Gerhard Engel in 1941 that 'I shall remain Catholic forever'.
In private, though, he seemed to harbor strongly anti-Christian sentiments later in life. Also in 1941, in Hitler's Table Talks, he alleges that Bolshevism is the illegitimate child of Christianity and that both of them were inventions of the Jews. He calls St. Paul (who some consider to be the founder of Christianity) a 'Jew' like Karl Marx, although he never mentions anything about Jesus himself being a Jew. He is furthermore recorded saying that Christianity was the heaviest blow that ever struck humanity.
It could be argued that Hitler did not renounce his Catholicism because he did not seek to deteriorate Germany's relations with the Vatican. He may have agreed with Napoleon who said 'Religion is excellent stuff for keeping the common people quiet' and Seneca the Younger who said 'Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'.
Nevertheless, there is not much evidence that Hitler was actually an atheist. Even if he was not a Christian, it has been suggested that he maintained a belief in some divine providence.
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Post by clusium on Jan 10, 2022 15:40:05 GMT
However, Christianity can be interpreted either way: Conservative or liberal. I personally oppose the view of Our Lord Jesus "as a hippie." While the hippie movement DID claim to be all about peace, even they could or would resort to violence to get their own political views across. Charles Manson's cult was basically made up of hippies, for example. Religion is all about serving God or gods, & carrying out His (or they're) Will. Since Christianity (& most other religions)teach that God Is Our Father, doing works of charity & peace play a prominent role in the religion, regardless if one is conservative or liberal or right wing or left wing. Basically one's goal in following Christianity is to try to choose right over wrong, regardless if whether your views are conservative ones or liberal ones.
My dog isn't religious but obeys the house rules and all the commandments relevant to morality, which is about half of them. She might covet my neighbor's ass, not sure how you enforce that one in humans either. It's a good rule to live by but an unenforceable law. And Yahweh clearly meant for humans to enforce the ten commandments, like stoning a man to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. Poor schmuck didn't even get a warning, like hey you, put down those sticks, it's Sunday! Oh, thanks for being a bro. Nope, it's a slow, painful, death, depriving a family of its bread winner because he dared to pick up firewood on god's weekly holiday. And what if you accidentally glanced at your neighbor's ass for just a little too long ... DEATH! Don't dare tell me that religion is about morality. And it's not about serving gods either, if it were, the gods would participate.
Nobody said that coveting another person's belongings is enforceable. Rather, it is a struggle within one's oneself to overcome envy. Envy is one of the 7 deadly sins, & the reason why these 7 sins have been declared as deadly is because practically all other sins, vices and/or crimes have their roots in the very least, one or two of them. Therefore, it is no coincidence that the concluding Commandments forbid coveting (envy). Coveting (envying) your neighbour's belongings could lead you to break the earlier Commandment of "Thou shalt not steal," or better still, Coveting your neighbour's wife (or husband) could lead you to break the earlier Commandment of "Thou shalt not commit adultery."
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Post by clusium on Jan 10, 2022 15:42:02 GMT
There is somewhat conflicting evidence regarding whether Hitler was a Christian or not. Stalin renounced his Orthodoxy, but Hitler never formally left the Catholic Church. In Mein Kampf, when he was younger, Hitler expresses statements of religious belief and says that he prayed on his knees when WWI broke out. In the 1920's, he called Jews 'brood of vipers' in speeches which is believed that he may have gotten from Martin Luther who used it in On the Jews and Their Lies and who presumably had taken it from Matthew 3:7. Later in life, Hitler made pro-Christian statements in speeches and told his adjutant Gerhard Engel in 1941 that 'I shall remain Catholic forever'. In private, though, he seemed to harbor strongly anti-Christian sentiments later in life. Also in 1941, in Hitler's Table Talks, he alleges that Bolshevism is the illegitimate child of Christianity and that both of them were inventions of the Jews. He calls St. Paul (who some consider to be the founder of Christianity) a 'Jew' like Karl Marx, although he never mentions anything about Jesus himself being a Jew. He is furthermore recorded saying that Christianity was the heaviest blow that ever struck humanity. It could be argued that Hitler did not renounce his Catholicism because he did not seek to deteriorate Germany's relations with the Vatican. He may have agreed with Napoleon who said 'Religion is excellent stuff for keeping the common people quiet' and Seneca the Younger who said 'Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. Nevertheless, there is not much evidence that Hitler was actually an atheist. Even if he was not a Christian, it has been suggested that he maintained a belief in some divine providence. Yes, he & the other Nazi leaders wanted to revive Teutonic paganism. He was also heavily into divination & the occult, & he liked eastern religions, which was why he adopted the swastika as the Nazi emblem, thereby permanently perverting the symbol in the West forevermore.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 10, 2022 19:20:51 GMT
There is somewhat conflicting evidence regarding whether Hitler was a Christian or not. Stalin renounced his Orthodoxy, but Hitler never formally left the Catholic Church. In Mein Kampf, when he was younger, Hitler expresses statements of religious belief and says that he prayed on his knees when WWI broke out. In the 1920's, he called Jews 'brood of vipers' in speeches which is believed that he may have gotten from Martin Luther who used it in On the Jews and Their Lies and who presumably had taken it from Matthew 3:7. Later in life, Hitler made pro-Christian statements in speeches and told his adjutant Gerhard Engel in 1941 that 'I shall remain Catholic forever'. In private, though, he seemed to harbor strongly anti-Christian sentiments later in life. Also in 1941, in Hitler's Table Talks, he alleges that Bolshevism is the illegitimate child of Christianity and that both of them were inventions of the Jews. He calls St. Paul (who some consider to be the founder of Christianity) a 'Jew' like Karl Marx, although he never mentions anything about Jesus himself being a Jew. He is furthermore recorded saying that Christianity was the heaviest blow that ever struck humanity. It could be argued that Hitler did not renounce his Catholicism because he did not seek to deteriorate Germany's relations with the Vatican. He may have agreed with Napoleon who said 'Religion is excellent stuff for keeping the common people quiet' and Seneca the Younger who said 'Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. Nevertheless, there is not much evidence that Hitler was actually an atheist. Even if he was not a Christian, it has been suggested that he maintained a belief in some divine providence. There is conflicting evidence, the issue though is that 'Table Talk' can be unreliable, particularly in it's translated form. journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0022009415619689There was some claim right after the war that Hitler was atheist, but that was retracted, or rather so reworded as to be a non claim not long after. this is quite interesting although not well sourced www.abc.net.au/religion/hitlers-faith-the-debate-over-nazism-and-religion/10100614At the end of the day Hitler was a master at saying what people wanted to hear, so it is very hard to ascertain what he actually believed.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 10, 2022 21:47:36 GMT
My dog isn't religious but obeys the house rules and all the commandments relevant to morality, which is about half of them. She might covet my neighbor's ass, not sure how you enforce that one in humans either. It's a good rule to live by but an unenforceable law. And Yahweh clearly meant for humans to enforce the ten commandments, like stoning a man to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. Poor schmuck didn't even get a warning, like hey you, put down those sticks, it's Sunday! Oh, thanks for being a bro. Nope, it's a slow, painful, death, depriving a family of its bread winner because he dared to pick up firewood on god's weekly holiday. And what if you accidentally glanced at your neighbor's ass for just a little too long ... DEATH! Don't dare tell me that religion is about morality. And it's not about serving gods either, if it were, the gods would participate.
Nobody said that coveting another person's belongings is enforceable. Rather, it is a struggle within one's oneself to overcome envy. Envy is one of the 7 deadly sins, & the reason why these 7 sins have been declared as deadly is because practically all other sins, vices and/or crimes have their roots in the very least, one or two of them. Therefore, it is no coincidence that the concluding Commandments forbid coveting (envy). Coveting (envying) your neighbour's belongings could lead you to break the earlier Commandment of "Thou shalt not steal," or better still, Coveting your neighbour's wife (or husband) could lead you to break the earlier Commandment of "Thou shalt not commit adultery."
So you are suggesting that 9/10 commandments are meant for humans to punish, and 1 is only meant for god to punish? Guess that was in the fine print at the bottom of the tablets. Or are you saying the commandments are more like suggestions, and overzealous worshipers took it upon themselves to torture people to death for petty and insignificant infractions? Hard to tell, since you ignored what I wrote to mansplain envy.
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