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Post by maya55555 on Dec 7, 2021 22:18:42 GMT
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Post by Stammerhead on Dec 8, 2021 0:33:02 GMT
Well I tried that and it didn’t work so now I’m going to be executed tomorrow.  |
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Post by clusium on Dec 8, 2021 6:34:06 GMT
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Post by clusium on Dec 8, 2021 15:20:44 GMT
I'm not quite sure why you posted this. Though it's interesting to see the Muslim perspective.
Also, Christianity is not monotheistic. It has three gods. But Judaism along with Islam is strictly monotheistic.
And if you dismiss a religion like Hinduism which has lesser gods who have more specialized roles, then you also have Catholicism which has Saints, who might be comparable to the lesser gods of a religion like Hinduism.
And there is a higher form of Hinduism which is pantheistic and worships one universal god, Brahma.
Yes, Christianity is monotheistic. We have Only One God. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not 3 distinct Entities. The Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit Are One and the Same God. Time itself is made up of 3 components: Past, present, and future. Each are distinct, and yet, belong to the one and the same thing. All religions - both monotheistic & polytheistic alike - venerate saints (though they have different names in their own religions for such holy people). And it is BRAHMAN, - not Brahma - that the highest Hindus worship. Brahma actually receives very little, to almost NO WORSHIP in Hinduism. Indeed, he receives far more devotion in Buddhism, than he does in Hinduism. This, in spite of the fact that Buddhists do not believe in a Supreme Creator.
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Post by maya55555 on Dec 8, 2021 18:13:11 GMT
gameboy
What else are you this week?
I can use quotes.
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Post by clusium on Dec 8, 2021 21:12:27 GMT
Yes, Christianity is monotheistic. We have Only One God. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not 3 distinct Entities. The Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit Are One and the Same God. Time itself is made up of 3 components: Past, present, and future. Each are distinct, and yet, belong to the one and the same thing. All religions - both monotheistic & polytheistic alike - venerate saints (though they have different names in their own religions for such holy people). And it is BRAHMAN, - not Brahma - that the highest Hindus worship. Brahma actually receives very little, to almost NO WORSHIP in Hinduism. Indeed, he receives far more devotion in Buddhism, than he does in Hinduism. This, in spite of the fact that Buddhists do not believe in a Supreme Creator. I'm Hindu. And I don't worship anything. Brahma is the creator god. Brahman is a concept. But Brahma is my higher power, not Brahman.
And the Trinity is found nowhere in the Bible. Christ wasn't such an egotist that he prayed to himself. Obviously God the Father and Christ are two separate figures. The Son is his own Father?  That sounds horribly incestuous.
But if you want to believe in the Trinity, you're still not a monotheist like Muslims and Jews. You have divided the godhead in three. That's not strictly monotheistic even if you believe they are all avatars of the same tripartite god.
Just be honest with what you believe. "Monotheism" is just a word. Trinitarian Christianity does not worship one indivisible god. It worships three different aspects of the same god.
Yes Brahma is the creator in Hinduism. But, he receives no worship. And yes, the Trinity IS in the Holy Bible, in particular St. Matthew chapter 28, verse 19. Nobody said that Christ Is an egotist.
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Post by clusium on Dec 8, 2021 21:40:00 GMT
Yes Brahma is the creator in Hinduism. But, he receives no worship. And yes, the Trinity IS in the Holy Bible, in particular St. Matthew chapter 28, verse 19. Nobody said that Christ Is an egotist. I see Brahma as the creator aspect of Brahman. He's my 12-step higher power.
Clusium, that verse only lists the three gods. It doesn't say they are one entity or even three parts of one entity. If this was a true to the Bible, it would be stated explicitly.
You forget that the Holy Bible SPECIFICALLY SAYS that there Is Only God Who Is Worthy of all our worship. Therefore, the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit Is One and the Same Almighty God.
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Post by clusium on Dec 9, 2021 0:06:28 GMT
You forget that the Holy Bible SPECIFICALLY SAYS that there Is Only God Who Is Worthy of all our worship. Therefore, the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit Is One and the Same Almighty God. All this comes from translations as well. Non-trinitarians like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses say that God the Father is the one god. Christ is of divine nature but he is not God the Father. God the Father is Christ's God. That's why he prays to him. He wouldn't pray to himself. Gospel according to St. John chapter 10, verse: "I And the Father Are One."
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Post by clusium on Dec 9, 2021 0:09:33 GMT
You forget that the Holy Bible SPECIFICALLY SAYS that there Is Only God Who Is Worthy of all our worship. Therefore, the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit Is One and the Same Almighty God. So where does the Bible say worship the Son and Holy Spirit, since Jesus himself says he’s not worthy of it? As evil as ISIS and other Jihadist Muslim terrorists are, their faith in God is as strong as yours, maybe stronger. Certainly we rightly see them as evil. They are evil by Islamic standards, but the Jihadists see themselves as righteous cleansers. They too want a world free of sin. So they are burning it. Their Holy Writ comes directly word for word from God Himself too and they have just as much proof that He said all those words that they think justify their actions. This has happened many times in the past and not just by Muslims and I trust the hyper religious like Steve Bannon, Bill Barr, or Mike Flynn will kill us all in the end with their Holy Crusade. A pox on both sides of the same religious nutjob coin. Nobody disputes how much ISIS & other Jihadists believe in their religion. They are free to do so. What they are NOT FREE to do is to take your life; my life; or anybody else's life. This is not just by human laws. This is By GOD'S LAW too. " Thou shalt NOT kill."
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Post by clusium on Dec 9, 2021 3:54:08 GMT
Gospel according to St. John chapter 10, verse: "I And the Father Are One." Again, that verse does not say the Father and Son are one being. That could very well mean they are one in purpose. I might say "my brother and I are one" meaning we are very close and stand together.
It's just not logical that a father and a son can be the same. Of course when I was growing up I was raised Greek Orthodox. And they believe in the Trinity just like Catholics. But when I was a kid I just assumed God and Christ were father and son.
Of course it is in the same context as saying "my brother and I are one" meaning we are very close and stand together." That is why in verse 31, the Jews began to stone Him. Seriously, they KNEW exactly what the Lord Jesus Meant: That He Is God.
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Post by clusium on Dec 9, 2021 5:54:02 GMT
Nobody disputes how much ISIS & other Jihadists believe in their religion. They are free to do so. What they are NOT FREE to do is to take your life; my life; or anybody else's life. This is not just by human laws. This is By GOD'S LAW too. " Thou shalt NOT kill." Of course not, nor does Islam when its spiritual text is not rendered as fundamentalist God spoken words. Those terrorized most by Muslims are other Muslims. They do have a huge internal problem they need to fix and Christians who are lumping all Muslims in a terrorist basket is not helping the situation, but only making it worse. Thou shalt not kill is also in Allah’s law, but just as with Christians and Jews, they written big loopholes into their moral codes.
I don’t know if you approve the godawful language Rep Omar’s fellow congresswoman slandered her with, but if you do, shame on you. That is why I quoted Thou shalt not kill. It is not just Christians & Jews that have this. Pretty much all religions that teach right from wrong do. Who is Rep Omar?
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Post by clusium on Dec 9, 2021 6:10:20 GMT
Gospel according to St. John chapter 10, verse: "I And the Father Are One." Gospel of John was written 90+ years after the events and per John, got this all in visions. He never met Jesus or probably any living disciple. It is a beautiful work of Christology. No, it was written by St. John the Apostle, even if it was written several decades afterwards.
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Post by clusium on Dec 9, 2021 6:10:39 GMT
That is why I quoted Thou shalt not kill. It is not just Christians & Jews that have this. Pretty much all religions that teach right from wrong do. Who is Rep Omar? Representative Ilan Omar. I see you’re not up on current events. Nope, I am not.
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Post by maya55555 on Dec 9, 2021 18:26:38 GMT
gameboy What else are you this week? I can use quotes.
I'm baptized Greek Orthodox. That can never change. I converted to Hinduism and I don't believe there is a god. That's a lot less complicated than your convoluted idea that a father can be his own son.  You can spin your own fantasy. You could not resist sticking it to Christians, bigot.
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Post by maya55555 on Dec 9, 2021 20:22:24 GMT
I am surprised that this video was selected by you? There are better choices...
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Post by maya55555 on Dec 9, 2021 20:27:05 GMT
My partner is Hindu and I believe in Hinduism. I've converted. There's also Hare Krishnas and Osho and Vedanta and all sorts of Hindu sects made up mostly of Western converts. Stop being foolish.
I never said anything anti-Christian, fool. I reject the Trinity. You're the one who "sticks it" to Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. In fact, I think you're the only one here now who attacks Christians.
Mormons and JoHos are cultic. IMO, they are not Christian. Mormonism has a firm basis in Freemasonry, with which it how has an issue. I have worked with Hindus for over thirty years and have learned many things from their teachings. Yes, that does not make me a Brahmin. They claim that converts are not accepted. You have your opinions based upon  I have mine.
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Post by maya55555 on Dec 9, 2021 20:30:56 GMT
clusium
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Post by clusium on Dec 10, 2021 1:27:51 GMT
No, it was written by St. John the Apostle, even if it was written several decades afterwards. Was John of Patmos and the Beloved Disciple the same person? Yes.
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Post by maya55555 on Dec 10, 2021 19:52:54 GMT
Mormons and JoHos are cultic. IMO, they are not Christian. Mormonism has a firm basis in Freemasonry, with which it how has an issue. I have worked with Hindus for over thirty years and have learned many things from their teachings. Yes, that does not make me a Brahmin. They claim that converts are not accepted. You have your opinions based upon I have mine. Brahmins are a caste. You must be born a Brahmin just like you must be born white. Brahma is a god. Brahman is the universe.
Did you even read your link? "Some Hindus", those who are rigid about the caste system say one cannot convert. There are also Orthodox Jews who say you can't convert to Judaism. Most Hindus and most Jews accept converts as equal.
A Mormon was the Republican nominee for U.S. President in 2012. There are Mormons in the U.S. Senate. That's not exactly a cult.
Jehovah's Witnesses are a revival of the ancient theologian Arius's beliefs on the trinity. That is not "cultic". Arius was well respected in the early Christian Church.
Lady, it's not a cult because you don't like it.
Christians here lament the atheists who took over this board. But you attack Christians in particular and theists in general more than any atheist I have ever seen post here.
Plus you make ad hominem attacks. I have never attacked you personally, only your anti-religious hate.
I bet you look cuter when you become angry.
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2021 23:38:55 GMT
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not 3 distinct Entities. The Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit Are One and the Same God. You forget that the Holy Bible SPECIFICALLY SAYS that there Is Only God Who Is Worthy of all our worship. Therefore, the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit Is One and the Same Almighty God. OR... the Son and the Holy Spirit are not God.
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I have mine.
