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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 9, 2021 13:40:10 GMT
There are so many terribly written songs, but what is the crux of this topic, really? Does it make sense to harp on some shitty old Limp Bizkit song? The new Kid Rock song? Some current pop hit or some throwaway radio rotation pop song from like 3 years ago with some of the worst lyrics I can remember, but that nobody else will? Or are these mostly good songs, or otherwise decent songwriters that we're talking about have a few lines that stick out as being poorly constructed? It's a tough call since I'm a curmudgeon and everything bothers me. Fair question, however, I'd counter with the fact that it ALWAYS makes sense to shit on Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock. I saw the video for that Kid Rock song you guys were talking about the other day. Holy shit. It's beyond embarrassing, even for a guy like that. 20 years ago his schtick was appealing to 12 year olds or whatever, middle fingers, swearing, all that stuff. But now he's talking about politics and social issues while riding a middle finger rocket. There's barely a song there, just him ranting and cussing about politicians and participation trophies with a riff in the background. Every other word is F%&K. Weird Al's response was hilarious.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 9, 2021 17:50:12 GMT
Speaking of Zeppelin... "Squeeze me, babe, 'till the juice runs down my leg Do, squeeze, squeeze me, baby, until the juice runs down my leg The way you squeeze my lemon-a I'm gonna fall right outta bed, 'ed, 'ed, bed, yeah Yeah Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey Juice, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby Baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby Hey, babe, babe, babe, babe, oh, no No, no, now, now I'm gonna leave my children down on this killing floor"  It's fun to get into an argument with a LZ freak about the lyrics. Even more than Beatles fan, Zep fans tend to worship the ground the band walked on. And they get pissy when you rag on Plant's lyrics. I'm sorry but my grandson's goldfish can write more meaningful lyrics than ol' Bob. And, yeah, when you have talent like Page, Jones and Bonzo, does lyrics really matter (nothing really matters, anyone can see", sorry, I good lyric popped into my head). But Zeppelins lyrics are wither pompous crap like Stairway or Ramble On, or juvenile sex lyrics, like Black Dog or The Lemon Song. Not that I hate LZ, far from it. But to compare Plant to Morrison, Mercury or Young, fooey
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 9, 2021 17:55:01 GMT
Speaking of Zeppelin... "Squeeze me, babe, 'till the juice runs down my leg Do, squeeze, squeeze me, baby, until the juice runs down my leg The way you squeeze my lemon-a I'm gonna fall right outta bed, 'ed, 'ed, bed, yeah Yeah Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey Juice, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby Baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby Hey, babe, babe, babe, babe, oh, no No, no, now, now I'm gonna leave my children down on this killing floor" It's fun to get into an argument with a LZ freak about the lyrics. Even more than Beatles fan, Zep fans tend to worship the ground the band walked on. And they get pissy when you rag on Plant's lyrics. I'm sorry but my grandson's goldfish can write more meaningful lyrics than ol' Bob. And, yeah, when you have talent like Page, Jones and Bonzo, does lyrics really matter (nothing really matters, anyone can see", sorry, I good lyric popped into my head). But Zeppelins lyrics are wither pompous crap like Stairway or Ramble On, or juvenile sex lyrics, like Black Dog or The Lemon Song. Not that I hate LZ, far from it. But to compare Plant to Morrison, Mercury or Young, fooey
I love Zep and the Doors, but neither are lyrically accomplished. I enjoy Morrison's 8th grade poetry scribblings, but they don't have a fraction of the depth that his psychedelic riddled mind made him think. Freddy Mercury didn't really have a whole lot of depth going on either, but his tone was generally merely light and fun most of the time. He was ultra cheesey, but his charisma and the greatest rock and roll voice every recorded always pulled it off. One of the things to keep in mind is that a lot of these guys were really, really young when they wrote a lot fo these songs we all know. Morrison may very well have grown up and matured as a writer. We'll never know.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 9, 2021 19:16:57 GMT
TheGoodMan19Zep is probably my favorite band, but I would never defend their lyrics. It's just mood music for me. Most of the songs you mentioned (Stairway, Black Dog, Lemon Song) I just skip when I listen to the albums anyway. I do like Ramble On, though.
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Post by Rufus-T on Dec 9, 2021 19:58:12 GMT
I don't think there are lyrics from the last century that really bothered me much. Even the ones with bad lyrics usually compensated by great music. This century, with all the raps having a tons of profanity do bother me a lot more. Look at the lyrics to this critically acclaimed song:
Whores in this house
There's some whores in this house
There's some whores in this house
There's some whores in this house (hol' up)
I said certified freak, seven days a week
Wet ass pussy, make that pullout game weak, woo! (Ah)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, you fucking with some wet ass pussy
Bring a bucket and a mop for this wet ass pussy
Give me everything you got for this wet ass pussy
Beat it up, nigga, catch a charge
Extra large and extra hard
Put this pussy right in yo' face
Swipe your nose like a credit card
Hop on top, I want a ride
I do a kegel while it's inside
Spit in my mouth, look at my eyes
This pussy is wet, come take a dive
Tie me up like I'm surprised
Let's role-play, I wear a disguise
I want you to park that big Mack truck right in this little garage
Make it cream, make me scream
Out in public, make a scene
I don't cook, I don't clean
But let me tell you, I got this ring (ayy, ayy)
Gobble me, swallow me, drip down the side of me (yeah)
Quick, jump out 'fore you let it get inside of me (yeah)
I tell him where to put it, never tell him where I'm 'bout to be
I run down on him 'fore I have a nigga running me
Talk yo' shit, bite your lip
Ask for a car while you ride that dick (while you ride that dick)
You ain't never gotta fuck him for a thing
He already made his mind up 'fore he came
Now get your boots and your coat for this wet ass pussy
He bought a phone just for pictures of this wet ass pussy
Pay my tuition just to kiss me on this wet ass pussy
Now make it rain if you wanna see some wet ass pussy
Look, I need a hard hitter, I need a deep stroke
I need a Henny drink, I need a weed smoker
Not a garden snake, I need a king cobra
With a hook in it, hope it lean over
He got some money, then that's where I'm headed
Pussy A-1, just like his credit
He got a beard, well, I'm tryna wet it
I let him taste it, and now he diabetic
I don't wanna spit, I wanna gulp
I wanna gag, I wanna choke
I want you to touch that lil' dangly thing that swing in the back of my throat
My head game is fire, punani Dasani
It's going in dry, and it's coming out soggy
I ride on that thing like the cops is behind me (yuh, ah)
I spit on his mic' and now he tryna sign me, woo
Your honor, I'm a freak bitch, handcuffs, leashes
Switch my wig, make him feel like he cheating
Put him on his knees, give him some' to believe in
Never lost a fight, but I'm looking for a beating
In the food chain, I'm the one that eat ya
If he ate my ass, he's a bottom feeder
Big D stand for big demeanor
I could make ya bust before I ever meet ya
If it don't hang, then he can't bang
You can't hurt my feelings, but I like pain
If he fuck me and ask, "Whose is it?"
When I ride the dick, I'ma spell my name, ah
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, you fucking with some wet ass pussy
Bring a bucket and a mop for this wet ass pussy
Give me everything you got for this wet ass pussy
Now from the top, make it drop, that's some wet ass pussy
Now get a bucket and a mop, that's some wet ass pussy
I'm talking WAP, WAP, WAP, that's some wet ass pussy
Macaroni in a pot, that's some wet ass pussy, huh
There's some whores in this house
There's some whores in this house
There's some whores in this house
There's some whores in this house
There's some whores in this house
There's some whores in this house
There's some whores in this house
There's some whores in this house
There's some whores in this house
There's some whores in this house
There's some whores in this house
There's some whores...
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Post by Xeliou66 on Dec 9, 2021 20:13:46 GMT
I couldn’t agree more about rap music - it’s just god awful, vulgar word vomit. It’s not music, and the only reason it’s “critically acclaimed” is because people want to look woke and establishment elites get off on shoving mediocrity down our throats to dumb us down. Rap music is just an assault on the eardrums, and rappers have no talent, most of them are illiterate thugs who can’t speak proper English.
I also really hate the lyrics to most country music - so cliched, every song mentions beer, pick up trucks, dirt roads, blue jeans, not to mention the political and religious messages about how great god, Jesus and America are. And also there is absolutely no room for subtlety or interpretation in country music, the lyrics are just incredibly straightforward in a way that doesn’t even allow the listener to think about them, it’s just generic garbage for redneck morons.
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Post by Rufus-T on Dec 9, 2021 20:28:19 GMT
I couldn’t agree more about rap music - it’s just god awful, vulgar word vomit. It’s not music, and the only reason it’s “critically acclaimed” is because people want to look woke and establishment elites get off on shoving mediocrity down our throats to dumb us down. Rap music is just an assault on the eardrums, and rappers have no talent, most of them are illiterate thugs who can’t speak proper English. I also really hate the lyrics to most country music - so cliched, every song mentions beer, pick up trucks, dirt roads, blue jeans, not to mention the political and religious messages about how great god, Jesus and America are. And also there is absolutely no room for subtlety or interpretation in country music, the lyrics are just incredibly straightforward in a way that doesn’t even allow the listener to think about them, it’s just generic garbage for redneck morons. There are plenty of terrible country songs. Lyrics, like you said, were similar in general, but not always. Those generic ones just describe the redneck way of life. There are many great country songs though, and at least there is often good music to go along. Looking at the history of Rock and Roll, country music, along with blues, were the great influence of rock and roll. The folk songs and the soft rocks of the 60s and 70s can be considered as country nowadays. So, there is something to appreciate about the substance of country music. Ken Burns just had a whole documentary series recently on country music. I haven't got around to it, but very much look forward to learn more when I have chance to get to it.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 9, 2021 20:40:33 GMT
I couldn’t agree more about rap music - it’s just god awful, vulgar word vomit. It’s not music, and the only reason it’s “critically acclaimed” is because people want to look woke and establishment elites get off on shoving mediocrity down our throats to dumb us down. Rap music is just an assault on the eardrums, and rappers have no talent, most of them are illiterate thugs who can’t speak proper English. I also really hate the lyrics to most country music - so cliched, every song mentions beer, pick up trucks, dirt roads, blue jeans, not to mention the political and religious messages about how great god, Jesus and America are. And also there is absolutely no room for subtlety or interpretation in country music, the lyrics are just incredibly straightforward in a way that doesn’t even allow the listener to think about them, it’s just generic garbage for redneck morons. There are plenty of terrible country songs. Lyrics, like you said, were similar in general, but not always. Those generic ones just describe the redneck way of life. There are many great country songs though, and at least there is often good music to go along. Looking at the history of Rock and Roll, country music, along with blues, were the great influence of rock and roll. The folk songs and the soft rocks of the 60s and 70s can be considered as country nowadays. So, there is something to appreciate about the substance of country music. Ken Burns just had a whole documentary series recently on country music. I haven't got around to it, but very much look forward to learn more when I have chance to get to it. Country and rap music of the last 20 years at least are intolerable to me. I actually like rap until roughly 1994ish. Once it became recognized as an actual genre by the industry, any hack can and did make an album. Now it's all white noise as far as I can tell. I'm aware the song you posted exists, but I still haven't heard it (or anything by that artist). There may still be decent rap out there, I don't know. But this definitely isn't it. I was never a fan of country music, but as you point out, go back far enough and it's basically soft rock and folk. Enjoyable for what it was. Today's country is just a lazy formula where the singer has a twang in his voice and says something about family and cowboy hats.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 9, 2021 20:48:24 GMT
Just to break up the bitter old man rhetoric here:
There's good rap music and good country music out there, it's just that there's a glut of bad examples that mostly gets the mainstream attention.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 9, 2021 20:51:19 GMT
Just to break up the bitter old man rhetoric here: There's good rap music and good country music out there, it's just that there's a glut of bad examples that mostly gets the mainstream attention. I believe it. I really wouldn't come across it on my own, nor would I have a reason to seek it out. Most of the stuff I listen to in any genre is decades old, anyway.
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Post by Rufus-T on Dec 9, 2021 21:01:13 GMT
Just to break up the bitter old man rhetoric here: There's good rap music and good country music out there, it's just that there's a glut of bad examples that mostly gets the mainstream attention. Just got me wondering... Rock and roll is basically dead. Is country music still a thing? I noticed there is an award for country music, but I hardly hear any of the popular ones. So it must be very bad.
As for rap.the 90s had many good raps. Gangsta's Paradise was one of my favorite song during that decade, if you consider it rap. Even Puff Daddy & Notorious B.I.G., I can handle. The garbage nowadays is a bit hard to take. Once awhile does come across a good one. Thrift Shop was very cute.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 9, 2021 21:27:17 GMT
Just to break up the bitter old man rhetoric here: There's good rap music and good country music out there, it's just that there's a glut of bad examples that mostly gets the mainstream attention. Just got me wondering... Rock and roll is basically dead. Is country music still a thing? I noticed there is an award for country music, but I hardly hear any of the popular ones. So it must be very bad.
As for rap.the 90s had many good raps. Gangsta's Paradise was one of my favorite song during that decade, if you consider it rap. Even Puff Daddy & Notorious B.I.G., I can handle. The garbage nowadays is a bit hard to take. Once awhile does come across a good one. Thrift Shop was very cute.
There are about 47 major awards shows on prime time tv for just music each year, so it's definitely still a thing. And I'm faaaaar from an expert on either rap or country music, but just because the stuff that we hear isn't good doesn't mean there isn't good stuff being made. It's out there, I'm just not putting in the effort to seek it out. But from time to time I come across talented people making good things in every type of music. For the record, even 'WAP' has it's place. It's got some good comedic turns of phrase and it really riled up all the typical conservative professional overreactors, so it served some small purpose. |
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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 10, 2021 2:45:42 GMT
The Doors
Five to one, baby
One in five
No one here gets out alive
Five to 1 is 1 in 6
Should be:
Four to one, baby
One in five
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Post by flyerzzrul on Dec 10, 2021 5:01:35 GMT
[quote author=" NJtoTX" source="/post/5182584/thread" The Who: In life one and one don't make two One and one make one And I'm looking for that free ride to me [/quote] You forgot the next line which makes it relevant and makes total sense In life one and one don't make two, one and one make one. And I'm looking for that free ride to me, I'm looking for you! |
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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 10, 2021 5:14:45 GMT
[quote author=" NJtoTX" source="/post/5182584/thread" The Who: In life one and one don't make two One and one make one And I'm looking for that free ride to me You forgot the next line which makes it relevant and makes total sense In life one and one don't make two, one and one make one. And I'm looking for that free ride to me, I'm looking for you![/quote] Still embarrassingly trite. Why is she a free ride, anyway?
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Post by flyerzzrul on Dec 10, 2021 5:50:45 GMT
He gets to bang her without having to pay, although we both know you ALWAYS pay, one way or the other
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 10, 2021 7:31:50 GMT
I'm serious as cancer
when I say rhythm is a dancer
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