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Post by Waxer-n-boil on May 31, 2017 23:44:34 GMT
I guess when the cave scene happened with Luke in TESB, you thought that the beheaded Vader whose mask exploded to show Luke's face meant that Luke had a twin brother who was another Vader. He was going to kill his twin brother Vader in the future, and there were actually 2 Darth Vaders. No, because it was pretty obvious what was being said/shown. And if it wasn't obvious instantly, you would think about what it meant. The interpretation of the "sand" line...did you work out what you thought he was trying to say in the moment? Was it sometime after? I'm guessing it was sometime after, and it wasn't because you (or whoever concluded he was trying say something much deeper) thought "aah, now there must be some deeper meaning here" but more of a case of "surely he couldn't have written something that bad, let's see if I can find something there to defend him" sometime after the fact. As I said, you'll find a deeper meaning, as you could in many films, in many lines, but was it intended? I doubt it. Any metaphor or deeper meaning, whether intended or not, can't really be concluded as you watch the film...the line stands out, on it's own, and it's bad. As a piece of dialogue it's a fail. As a metaphor/subtext/whatever...it's a fail. It is nothing more than a some dialogue to propel the story. Like the majority of his writing. - Sorry but I have trouble believing that. Especially since there were several theories going around as to what the cave vision meant, (*)including it meant that the cave vision was trying to tell Luke ahead of time that he was a blood descendant of Vader (*)and that the vision was trying to tell Luke that if he killed Vader he would turn to the Darkside (*) and if he gave into dark emotions like anger and hatred he would have the same destiny as Vader. So it wasn't specifically obvious. - Nope. That wasn't my thinking since I found the line to have a metaphorical tone initially. It's totally plausible for Anakin to associate environmental features with negative emotional and social experiences. I've had similar experiences with a place I lived and a place I worked that have generally good reputations but I had nothing but bad experiences and whenever I see physical features of them I have nothing but negative emotional connections to them. - Not to oversimplify things but to call it a failure as a metaphor or subtext is highly subjective. - Ditto.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 1, 2017 1:25:16 GMT
If you hate all of George Lucas's movies, why have you apparently bothered to watch all of them? I actually haven't seen THX 1138 or Strange Magic. With the Star Wars prequels, there was always the hope that he would redeem himself with the next one. Alas, when I walked out of Episode 3, all I could do was shrug my shoulders and say "well, I can't say I'm surprised by now." When it came to Red Tails, well, George wasn't directing the movie (though it's since be rumored that he directed several reshoots), and after all the hubub he raised about studios not wanting to distribute it due to its mostly black cast, I was willing to give it a chance. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?Same deal: Lucas wasn't directing. Hell, we had Spielberg in the chair. Too bad he wasn't willing to shoot down some of George's more questionable ideas, among other things. But ultimately, if I've got some free time, sure, I'll put on a movie that I'm curious about, whether I've heard bad things about it or not. I think watching bad movies and analyzing them can incredibly useful when it comes to realizing what makes a good movie. - I haven't seen Strange Magic but I haven't heard anything good about it and don't know anybody who's seen it. I read a synopsis on it and I wasn't impressed. THX1138 I have seen. It's one of those movies that some things will go over your head or you'll choose to let it go over your head if you instantly don't like it. Or you will like this film and appreciate it's not so obvious nuances. There are metaphorical undertones. It's definitely the kind of movie that is cult follower material and is one of the more notable cult classics. I liked it. It has my respect as a cult classic. Seeing it now in 2017 might take some predisposed consideration, remembering when this movie was made and that it is dated. - I haven't seen Redtails but I remained intrigued by it. I'm reserving developing any preconceived notions about it until I do. - Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls? I didn't see what was so bad about that movie by some people's opinion. Yeah, it wasn't quite as good as the first few Indy Jones movies but... For me it got a little too corny and CGI in a few spots but other than that not a bad movie. I'm not sure what ideas of Lucas you're referring to. -- Now to speak of your criticism of the romance in the prequels. I'd agree that the chemistry wasn't as good as Han and Leia. The romantic dialogue was inconsistent for me but not universally cringeworthy like the prequel haters trumpet. But let's be rational, the romance in SW has never been a strongpoint. Han and Leia? She falls for a bad boy. But really she always questioned his loyalty and commitment. And there connection is made of nothing but sarcastic banter which she constantly finds irritating and demeaning but she falls in love with it anyway. Not exactly the recipe for a classic never ending love story. Then there's TFA's romance: nothing but a bunch of mystery box nonsense delivered in lines plenty open to criticism. "Got a boyfriend? ...cute boyfriend?" A romance for Rey from Finn? Clearly platonic where Rey is concerned. A vague mystery box that flirts with Finn having a romantic or platonic obsession with Rey (yet only a clueless idiot would miss Rey's platonic position in the relationship by halfway through the movie). And the suggestion from the movie that Finn would be hopelessly obsessed over a platonic connection? Yeah it happens when someone has instant romantic attraction (thus the expression "Love at first sight."), but a mutually platonic connection that has Finn screaming her name at the top of his lungs and looking into the sky for divine intervention?!? Over platonic love?... and he just met this girl hours ago?!?... "The way you looked at me! Like no one had ever looked at me before!" Seriously, this kind of behavior over a platonic look given to him? (Which actually onscreen looked like an expression of amused and quizzical bewilderment from Rey). This is supposed to be as good or better than the prequels?!? I have to scoff! (Mind you this didn't come from George Lucas). Then there's the mystery box romance nonsense of Finn and Poe. There shared exuberance for each other flirts of possible romantic connection. But you're already wondering his feelings about Rey. So is there something there or not? What is Finn's "preference"? And now we have Rose being thrown into the mix in TLJ. For the record, personally I think they're going to string the audience along to the end of the trilogy constantly having them wondering what Finn's sexual preference is. It will bounce back and forth between Poe and Rose in what should end (by episode 9) in a cat-fight between Poe and Rose over Finn. But of course they won't have the guts to. (This romantic nonsense isn't from George Lucas either).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 3:08:05 GMT
So ignore execution and focus solely on the filmmaker's intent (or what you assume the intent was)? I'm sorry, but would you praise a chef for serving you a burnt steak because they didn't mean to? None of this changes the fact that the actors have no chemistry, or that the clunky delivery, even if intentional, is cringe-inducing instead of endearing. It also doesn't excuse how disturbing Anakin's pursuit of Padme can be at points, how she simply brushes aside his psychotic rant (tears on his part be damned) and admission to murdering children (regardless of their race or culture), and how her admission of "love" to him comes off as a young girl simply afraid of her looming death as opposed to true love warranting marriage after a grand total of, what, a week together? This after having last spent roughly another week around one another 10 years prior? Frankly, this whole notion of it being intentional comes off as George making excuses, which is nothing new. Whether it's "these movies are for kids" (his go-to whenever anybody criticizes his, at times, nonsensical writing in the prequels), or "it's meant to be a courtly romance"/"they're supposed to be awkward," or his utterly laughable use of the race-card when talking about studios' unwillingness to distribute Red Tails (sure, George, it had nothing to do with the movie being pretty bad, and a bit insulting in its corny and simplistic depiction of the Tuskegee airmen and their plight), it all just comes off as a sad excuse to ignore any criticism, even if it's legitimate. Hidey-hoe Mr. Capt. Yoga-pants!! Are yousen still obsessed with hatin da prequels and ruining George Lucas' reputation? Are yousen yoga pants still on too tight? Has it gotten yousa a boyfriend yet?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 1, 2017 9:15:17 GMT
So, genuinely, the moment you heard that line you and your GF instantly thought well that is about... - (i) Star Crossed Lovers: Padme the aristocrat speaks of lying in the sand on beaches for fun, for Anakin sand symbolizes his lowly origins as a slave on Tatooine (desert planet = sand, get it?), - (i) Ghosts of the Past: Anakin’s agonizing situation regarding his dying mother calling him back home, but who he must ignore because of the Jedi code (attachments...). This conflict is the beginning of his downfall of course.And not like many, thought it was bad dialogue? At a stretch maybe you could possibly come up with the first interpretation but the second!
stretch sostie? The "star crossed lovers" thing is so BLATANTLY obvious from the dialog that I have trouble believing that anybody could actually miss it. It's in the freaking dialog: Responding to her speaking of enjoying lying on sand beaches he says: "I don't like sand. It's coarse, rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything's soft... and smooth..."
Context interpretation dude: When Anakin speaks of "here" (meaning cultivated Naboo/Padme), what do you think is meant by the silent "there" (backwater Tatoine/Slave-Anakin maybe?). He obviously refers to their different backgrounds (star crossed lovers).
Additionally, check the official script and cut dialogue, here we have this immediately preceeding the sand dialog:
PADMÉ ...See that island? We used to swim there every day. I love the water.
ANAKIN I do too. I guess it comes from growing up on a desert planet.
So there goes your theory of Lucas just writing unlayered crap dude, and the background callbacks being unintended.
as for the mother-thing, that's debatable, and the beauty of poetry. It's just another layer that swings with it, and how Lucas' (sometimes corny, grainy and yes sandy) rhyming works. Lucas makes Anakin talk about his visions of his dying mother, and his fear and guilt in several scenes before, so it's likely that this angst haunting him is also intended to swing in this callback line to his origins.
yeah, you dont strike me as the full-orchestra composition type, roll over Beethoven, eh? Guess you are more a fan of movie pop-songs with maybe a wiff of daftpunk, Carpenter and Hans Zimmer drum soundracks? I fucking hate that trivial tosh, but it can be a guilty pleasure at times.
One mans trash, is another man's treasure, here and there.
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Post by sostie on Jun 1, 2017 10:31:13 GMT
yeah, you dont strike me as the full-orchestra composition type, roll over Beethoven, eh? Guess you are more a fan of movie pop-songs with maybe a wiff of daftpunk, Carpenter and Hans Zimmer drum soundracks? I fucking hate that trivial tosh, but it can be a guilty pleasure at times.
One mans trash, is another man's treasure, here and there.
And that's based on what? Yeah I like the Daft Punk soundtrack they did, and I like some Zimmer, and I have all of Carpenter. But my collection of soundtracks is pretty wide ranging, and includes plenty of Williams (just not the prequels). There's also a hefty amount of DGG vinyl in there as well
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 1, 2017 11:46:04 GMT
yeah, you dont strike me as the full-orchestra composition type, roll over Beethoven, eh? Guess you are more a fan of movie pop-songs with maybe a wiff of daftpunk, Carpenter and Hans Zimmer drum soundracks? I fucking hate that trivial tosh, but it can be a guilty pleasure at times.
One mans trash, is another man's treasure, here and there.
And that's based on what?
sorry, sostie. You just strike me as someone without any layers. At a strech maybe there might be a hint of a deeper layer to you. At a stretch...but any real layer, whether intended or not, can't really be concluded as one reads your posts...they stand out, on their own, and they are bad. As a piece of communication and logic they are a fail. As a metaphor/subtext/whatever...they are a fail. It is nothing more than some wordy post to propel the conversation. Like "I don't like Mondays" and the majority of your writing.
Naaaah! Just pulling your leg by paraphrasing you, we both know that only a Sith deals in absolutes, eh? Pretty sure your music library is awesome, deep and varied, as are you, mate.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 2, 2017 2:41:57 GMT
If you hate all of George Lucas's movies, why have you apparently bothered to watch all of them? he didn't, he religiously watched the silly Plinkett reviews. Per usual, he mindlessly rants through them point by point and, dude!, does he force them upon any topics discussed, regardless of facts or merit, truth or evidence. It's his nature, regardless of names or appearances.
You must recognize our old foe from IMDb days in new clothes.
What in the name of wretched hives of scum and villainy!! That winged emoji. Are you telling me 'yogagab..., yoga-baggage..., that yoga guy is... Flying J?!? Am I reading you right?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 2, 2017 8:03:01 GMT
he didn't, he religiously watched the silly Plinkett reviews. Per usual, he mindlessly rants through them point by point and, dude!, does he force them upon any topics discussed, regardless of facts or merit, truth or evidence. It's his nature, regardless of names or appearances.
You must recognize our old foe from IMDb days in new clothes.
What in the name of wretched hives of scum and villainy!! That winged emoji. Are you telling me 'yogagab..., yoga-baggage..., that yoga guy is... Flying J?!? Am I reading you right? in the flesh: The Canadian Devil has returned...in yoga pants.
Do not read me, use your nose: don't you smell the Sulfur and the Salt....? Though admittedly the salt is much more concentrated here, with a hint of foul apple.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 15:22:04 GMT
he didn't, he religiously watched the silly Plinkett reviews. Per usual, he mindlessly rants through them point by point and, dude!, does he force them upon any topics discussed, regardless of facts or merit, truth or evidence. It's his nature, regardless of names or appearances.
You must recognize our old foe from IMDb days in new clothes.
What in the name of wretched hives of scum and villainy!! That winged emoji. Are you telling me 'yogagab..., yoga-baggage..., that yoga guy is... Flying J?!? Am I reading you right? Yes Waxer-trooper! yogabagaba aka Mr. Jar Jar Yoga-pants is da one and only @flyingj87 aka flying head-fried fool aka flying truck stop clown! Notice da same behavioral and speech patterns...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 15:46:10 GMT
What in the name of wretched hives of scum and villainy!! That winged emoji. Are you telling me 'yogagab..., yoga-baggage..., that yoga guy is... Flying J?!? Am I reading you right? in the flesh: The Canadian Devil has returned...in yoga pants.
Do not read me, use your nose: don't you smell the Sulfur and the Salt....? Though admittedly the salt is much more concentrated here, with a hint of foul apple.
Flying truck-stop clown has been reborn as Mr. Yoga-pants... Jar Jar Yoga-pants! 😄 It like Tarpals always be sayin' ... a fool is a fool by any other name. 😂
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Post by yogabagaba on Jun 2, 2017 21:31:51 GMT
What in the name of wretched hives of scum and villainy!! That winged emoji. Are you telling me 'yogagab..., yoga-baggage..., that yoga guy is... Flying J?!? Am I reading you right? Yes Waxer-trooper! yogabagaba aka Mr. Jar Jar Yoga-pants is da one and only @flyingj87 aka flying head-fried fool aka flying truck stop clown! Notice da same behavioral and speech patterns... If you idiots want to think I'm someone else, well, there's clearly no point in stopping you. Go ahead, make fools of yourselves while ignoring my arguments.
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Post by yogabagaba on Jun 2, 2017 21:45:59 GMT
I actually haven't seen THX 1138 or Strange Magic. With the Star Wars prequels, there was always the hope that he would redeem himself with the next one. Alas, when I walked out of Episode 3, all I could do was shrug my shoulders and say "well, I can't say I'm surprised by now." When it came to Red Tails, well, George wasn't directing the movie (though it's since be rumored that he directed several reshoots), and after all the hubub he raised about studios not wanting to distribute it due to its mostly black cast, I was willing to give it a chance. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?Same deal: Lucas wasn't directing. Hell, we had Spielberg in the chair. Too bad he wasn't willing to shoot down some of George's more questionable ideas, among other things. But ultimately, if I've got some free time, sure, I'll put on a movie that I'm curious about, whether I've heard bad things about it or not. I think watching bad movies and analyzing them can incredibly useful when it comes to realizing what makes a good movie. - I haven't seen Strange Magic but I haven't heard anything good about it and don't know anybody who's seen it. I read a synopsis on it and I wasn't impressed. THX1138 I have seen. It's one of those movies that some things will go over your head or you'll choose to let it go over your head if you instantly don't like it. Or you will like this film and appreciate it's not so obvious nuances. There are metaphorical undertones. It's definitely the kind of movie that is cult follower material and is one of the more notable cult classics. I liked it. It has my respect as a cult classic. Seeing it now in 2017 might take some predisposed consideration, remembering when this movie was made and that it is dated. - I haven't seen Redtails but I remained intrigued by it. I'm reserving developing any preconceived notions about it until I do. - Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls? I didn't see what was so bad about that movie by some people's opinion. Yeah, it wasn't quite as good as the first few Indy Jones movies but... For me it got a little too corny and CGI in a few spots but other than that not a bad movie. I'm not sure what ideas of Lucas you're referring to. -- Now to speak of your criticism of the romance in the prequels. I'd agree that the chemistry wasn't as good as Han and Leia. The romantic dialogue was inconsistent for me but not universally cringeworthy like the prequel haters trumpet. But let's be rational, the romance in SW has never been a strongpoint. Han and Leia? She falls for a bad boy. But really she always questioned his loyalty and commitment. And there connection is made of nothing but sarcastic banter which she constantly finds irritating and demeaning but she falls in love with it anyway. Not exactly the recipe for a classic never ending love story. Then there's TFA's romance: nothing but a bunch of mystery box nonsense delivered in lines plenty open to criticism. "Got a boyfriend? ...cute boyfriend?" A romance for Rey from Finn? Clearly platonic where Rey is concerned. A vague mystery box that flirts with Finn having a romantic or platonic obsession with Rey (yet only a clueless idiot would miss Rey's platonic position in the relationship by halfway through the movie). And the suggestion from the movie that Finn would be hopelessly obsessed over a platonic connection? Yeah it happens when someone has instant romantic attraction (thus the expression "Love at first sight."), but a mutually platonic connection that has Finn screaming her name at the top of his lungs and looking into the sky for divine intervention?!? Over platonic love?... and he just met this girl hours ago?!?... "The way you looked at me! Like no one had ever looked at me before!" Seriously, this kind of behavior over a platonic look given to him? (Which actually onscreen looked like an expression of amused and quizzical bewilderment from Rey). This is supposed to be as good or better than the prequels?!? I have to scoff! (Mind you this didn't come from George Lucas). Then there's the mystery box romance nonsense of Finn and Poe. There shared exuberance for each other flirts of possible romantic connection. But you're already wondering his feelings about Rey. So is there something there or not? What is Finn's "preference"? And now we have Rose being thrown into the mix in TLJ. For the record, personally I think they're going to string the audience along to the end of the trilogy constantly having them wondering what Finn's sexual preference is. It will bounce back and forth between Poe and Rose in what should end (by episode 9) in a cat-fight between Poe and Rose over Finn. But of course they won't have the guts to. (This romantic nonsense isn't from George Lucas either). Oh my god, it's almost like the idea of Han and Leia eventually breaking up, especially if there was some family tragedy involved, between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens totally makes sense given their characters! And yeah, it's a romance that's been done plenty of times, the girl falling for the bad boy after they spend a good amount of time bickering. But the thing is, it works. Heck, it's something most humans can understand from an early age, given you often see little boys teasing girls that they like. Yes, the "romance" in TFA comes off as rather one-sided on Finn's part. Rey seems to mostly view him as a friend. This appears to be reinforced by her giving him a peck on the forehead before she heads off to find Luke. But yeah, I do find it better than the prequels. Largely because Boyega and Ridley have actual charisma and chemistry with each other, even if the result is a one-sided crush on Finn's part. And, um, "mystery box romance nonsense of Finn and Poe?" Dude, the idea of that relationship being romantic is nothing but the result of people reading too much into things. Will the filmmakers go that way in the next two films? Perhaps, but as of right now, it's not a romance, it's a bromance. And frankly, who cares what Finn's "preference" is? For the most part, it seems that fans just enjoy speculating for the fun of it, or in some cases because they themselves may be gay/queer/etc. and would appreciate some representation in a franchise they enjoy. Why are you so obsessed over Finn's potential sexuality, and seem to be presenting it as a negative? Also, I have to question if you understand what the "mystery box" is if you think Finn and Poe's relationship or Finn's attraction to Rey qualify. We also know so little about Rose that speculation at this point is pretty pointless.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 3, 2017 1:39:52 GMT
- I haven't seen Strange Magic but I haven't heard anything good about it and don't know anybody who's seen it. I read a synopsis on it and I wasn't impressed. THX1138 I have seen. It's one of those movies that some things will go over your head or you'll choose to let it go over your head if you instantly don't like it. Or you will like this film and appreciate it's not so obvious nuances. There are metaphorical undertones. It's definitely the kind of movie that is cult follower material and is one of the more notable cult classics. I liked it. It has my respect as a cult classic. Seeing it now in 2017 might take some predisposed consideration, remembering when this movie was made and that it is dated. - I haven't seen Redtails but I remained intrigued by it. I'm reserving developing any preconceived notions about it until I do. - Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls? I didn't see what was so bad about that movie by some people's opinion. Yeah, it wasn't quite as good as the first few Indy Jones movies but... For me it got a little too corny and CGI in a few spots but other than that not a bad movie. I'm not sure what ideas of Lucas you're referring to. -- Now to speak of your criticism of the romance in the prequels. I'd agree that the chemistry wasn't as good as Han and Leia. The romantic dialogue was inconsistent for me but not universally cringeworthy like the prequel haters trumpet. But let's be rational, the romance in SW has never been a strongpoint. Han and Leia? She falls for a bad boy. But really she always questioned his loyalty and commitment. And there connection is made of nothing but sarcastic banter which she constantly finds irritating and demeaning but she falls in love with it anyway. Not exactly the recipe for a classic never ending love story. Then there's TFA's romance: nothing but a bunch of mystery box nonsense delivered in lines plenty open to criticism. "Got a boyfriend? ...cute boyfriend?" A romance for Rey from Finn? Clearly platonic where Rey is concerned. A vague mystery box that flirts with Finn having a romantic or platonic obsession with Rey (yet only a clueless idiot would miss Rey's platonic position in the relationship by halfway through the movie). And the suggestion from the movie that Finn would be hopelessly obsessed over a platonic connection? Yeah it happens when someone has instant romantic attraction (thus the expression "Love at first sight."), but a mutually platonic connection that has Finn screaming her name at the top of his lungs and looking into the sky for divine intervention?!? Over platonic love?... and he just met this girl hours ago?!?... "The way you looked at me! Like no one had ever looked at me before!" Seriously, this kind of behavior over a platonic look given to him? (Which actually onscreen looked like an expression of amused and quizzical bewilderment from Rey). This is supposed to be as good or better than the prequels?!? I have to scoff! (Mind you this didn't come from George Lucas). Then there's the mystery box romance nonsense of Finn and Poe. There shared exuberance for each other flirts of possible romantic connection. But you're already wondering his feelings about Rey. So is there something there or not? What is Finn's "preference"? And now we have Rose being thrown into the mix in TLJ. For the record, personally I think they're going to string the audience along to the end of the trilogy constantly having them wondering what Finn's sexual preference is. It will bounce back and forth between Poe and Rose in what should end (by episode 9) in a cat-fight between Poe and Rose over Finn. But of course they won't have the guts to. (This romantic nonsense isn't from George Lucas either). Oh my god, it's almost like the idea of Han and Leia eventually breaking up, especially if there was some family tragedy involved, between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens totally makes sense given their characters! And yeah, it's a romance that's been done plenty of times, the girl falling for the bad boy after they spend a good amount of time bickering. But the thing is, it works. Heck, it's something most humans can understand from an early age, given you often see little boys teasing girls that they like. Yes, the "romance" in TFA comes off as rather one-sided on Finn's part. Rey seems to mostly view him as a friend. This appears to be reinforced by her giving him a peck on the forehead before she heads off to find Luke. But yeah, I do find it better than the prequels. Largely because Boyega and Ridley have actual charisma and chemistry with each other, even if the result is a one-sided crush on Finn's part.And, um, "mystery box romance nonsense of Finn and Poe?" Dude, the idea of that relationship being romantic is nothing but the result of people reading too much into things. Will the filmmakers go that way in the next two films? Perhaps, but as of right now, it's not a romance, it's a bromance. And frankly, who cares what Finn's "preference" is? For the most part, it seems that fans just enjoy speculating for the fun of it, or in some cases because they themselves may be gay/queer/etc. and would appreciate some representation in a franchise they enjoy. Why are you so obsessed over Finn's potential sexuality, and seem to be presenting it as a negative?Also, I have to question if you understand what the "mystery box" is if you think Finn and Poe's relationship or Finn's attraction to Rey qualify. We also know so little about Rose that speculation at this point is pretty pointless. ~ Yeah, too bad that they mostly used the breakup plot as an excuse to retrofit Han and Leia's characters into being exactly the same characters in development and characterization that they were from midway ANH to midway TESB. (Han hasn't learned anything in 30 years of smuggling. Still hatching half-baked con schemes that make powerful enemies and almost get him killed and don't make profits! Really?!? Leia is in exactly the same role even though it doesn't make since given her high profile as one the leading senators. During the movie Hux speaks about not being fooled as to who the Resistance is and their connection to the new Republic... No 💩!!! Didn't Leia overthrow the Empire doing the same thing 30 years ago?? Isn't it the same thing only they changed their name from the Rebellion to the Resistance?? What kind of idiot couldn't figure that out?... Oh I know, preteens who watch the Disney channel all day long). ~ Well it does work. I can't argue that. ~ Rey and Finn have chemistry and charisma? First off it's still not a romance. Secondly, it's bad chemistry and charisma! (I already talked about some of the dialogue and their character profiles). It's that same cartoonish and horrible stuff you see from Hannah Montana and a dozen shows since that followed the same character archetypes with different "skins". It might be good Disney, but it's bad Star Wars. ~ It probably is people reading too much into it with Finn and Poe. But that's exactly part of the point. Actors and TPTB have fueled the flames at conventions knowing full well what fans perceptions and expectations are. But they also led the audience on with vaguery on Rey/Finn. And they seem to be doing the same at conventions with Finn/Rose. I can quote statements if necessary. ~ If all you got was that I'm obsessed about Finn's sexual preference then you missed the point. The point is that it's all bad onscreen romance if none of this leads to any actual development. And do you know what "mystery box" is? It's mystery that never leads to any genuine development, revelation, or actual solvency. It's the carrot dangled in front of the horse that he never gets to eat... and he chases it until he drops dead. So yeah, at this point the romance does fit into mystery box, along with most plot oriented things in TFA.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 3, 2017 1:43:34 GMT
Oh my god, it's almost like the idea of Han and Leia eventually breaking up, especially if there was some family tragedy involved, between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens totally makes sense given their characters! And yeah, it's a romance that's been done plenty of times, the girl falling for the bad boy after they spend a good amount of time bickering. But the thing is, it works. Heck, it's something most humans can understand from an early age, given you often see little boys teasing girls that they like. Yes, the "romance" in TFA comes off as rather one-sided on Finn's part. Rey seems to mostly view him as a friend. This appears to be reinforced by her giving him a peck on the forehead before she heads off to find Luke. But yeah, I do find it better than the prequels. Largely because Boyega and Ridley have actual charisma and chemistry with each other, even if the result is a one-sided crush on Finn's part.[/b{
And, um, "mystery box romance nonsense of Finn and Poe?" Dude, the idea of that relationship being romantic is nothing but the result of people reading too much into things. Will the filmmakers go that way in the next two films? Perhaps, but as of right now, it's not a romance, it's a bromance. And frankly, who cares what Finn's "preference" is? For the most part, it seems that fans just enjoy speculating for the fun of it, or in some cases because they themselves may be gay/queer/etc. and would appreciate some representation in a franchise they enjoy. Why are you so obsessed over Finn's potential sexuality, and seem to be presenting it as a negative?
Also, I have to question if you understand what the "mystery box" is if you think Finn and Poe's relationship or Finn's attraction to Rey qualify.
We also know so little about Rose that speculation at this point is pretty pointless.~ Yeah, too bad that they mostly used the breakup plot as an excuse to retrofit Han and Leia's characters into being exactly the same characters in development and characterization that they were from midway ANH to midway TESB. (Han hasn't learned anything in 30 years of smuggling. Still hatching half-baked con schemes that make powerful enemies and almost get him killed and don't make profits! Really?!? Leia is in exactly the same role even though it doesn't make since given her high profile as one the leading senators. During the movie Hux speaks about not being fooled as to who the Resistance is and their connection to the new Republic... No 💩!!! Didn't Leia overthrow the Empire doing the same thing 30 years ago?? Isn't it the same thing only they changed their name from the Rebellion to the Resistance?? What kind of idiot couldn't figure that out?... Oh I know, preteens who watch the Disney channel all day long). ~ Well it does work. I can't argue that. ~ Rey and Finn have chemistry and charisma? First off it's still not a romance. Secondly, it's bad chemistry and charisma! (I already talked about some of the dialogue and their character profiles). It's that same cartoonish and horrible stuff you see from Hannah Montana and a dozen shows since that followed the same character archetypes with different "skins". It might be good Disney, but it's bad Star Wars.~ It probably is people reading too much into it with Finn and Poe. But that's exactly part of the point. Actors and TPTB have fueled the flames at conventions knowing full well what fans perceptions and expectations are. But they also led the audience on with vaguery on Rey/Finn. And they seem to be doing the same at conventions with Finn/Rose. I can quote statements if necessary. ~ If all you got was that I'm obsessed about Finn's sexual preference then you missed the point. The point is that it's all bad onscreen romance if none of this leads to any actual development. And do you know what "mystery box" is? It's mystery that never leads to any genuine development, revelation, or actual solvency. It's the carrot dangled in front of the horse that he never gets to eat... and he chases it until he drops dead. So yeah, at this point the romance does fit into mystery box, along with most plot oriented things in TFA. Fucking hell, I wish I'd written this. Probably the most astute single sentence written about Star Wars by anyone anywhere since 2012. Seriously. Damn fine, sir.
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Post by furiousstyles77 on Jun 7, 2017 17:54:01 GMT
Prequels have the worst dialogue in the entire saga, this isnt helped by the poor poor choice of actors , namely Hayden christiansen , he makes bad dialogue sound even worse.
i dont like sand is a poor piece of dialogue , no one can argue against this. Tis true that most star wars films have piss poor dialogue, but this scene was important , it was the beginning of a love affair , a central part of the prequels and vaders fall .
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Post by ryboto on Jun 7, 2017 19:20:11 GMT
Prequels have the worst dialogue in the entire saga, this isnt helped by the poor poor choice of actors , namely Hayden christiansen , he makes bad dialogue sound even worse. i dont like sand is a poor piece of dialogue , no one can argue against this. Tis true that most star wars films have piss poor dialogue, but this scene was important , it was the beginning of a love affair , a central part of the prequels and vaders fall . TFA has the worst dialogue in the entire saga, this isnt helped by the poor poor choice of actors , namely Daisy Ridley , she makes bad dialogue sound even worse. "got a boyfriend? cute boyfriend?" is a poor piece of dialogue , no one can argue against this. Tis true that most star wars films have piss poor dialogue, but this scene was important , it was the beginning of a love affair , a central part of the characters bonding and their ensuing relationship .
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Post by furiousstyles77 on Jun 7, 2017 20:49:57 GMT
I dont like that dialogue either it's too comical however I can let it slide as unlike the anakin scene it wasn't serious , what nonsense the prequels are.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 8, 2017 0:32:16 GMT
I just meant that I view the dialogue as stilted/affected in all six Lucas movies pretty equally. If anything IV has the cheesiest dialogue and it's probably the best one objectively, so... I'd say the dialogue is probably equally bad. The acting seems to be better in some films more than others. Good acting can sell shitty dialogue.... I'd say that the OT actors were probably able to overcome the shortcomings of Lucas as a director in ANH, whereas the PT actors, especially Natalie Portman, had a tougher time.But, for the life of me, I don't get how Hayden is panned for his performance while Portman is left off the hook. When I watch their scenes together, I see Hayden acting and Portman just lifelessly reciting lines. It's her performance that kills all their scenes together.... In all fairness, working as an actor on the OT would be a completely different experience than working on the PT. i.e. There was much more of this with the PT than the OT:
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Post by furiousstyles77 on Jun 8, 2017 17:54:44 GMT
I'd say the dialogue is probably equally bad. The acting seems to be better in some films more than others. Good acting can sell shitty dialogue.... I'd say that the OT actors were probably able to overcome the shortcomings of Lucas as a director in ANH, whereas the PT actors, especially Natalie Portman, had a tougher time.But, for the life of me, I don't get how Hayden is panned for his performance while Portman is left off the hook. When I watch their scenes together, I see Hayden acting and Portman just lifelessly reciting lines. It's her performance that kills all their scenes together.... In all fairness, working as an actor on the OT would be a completely different experience than working on the PT. i.e. There was much more of this with the PT than the OT: Thats why cauldenphaggot likes the PT, cause its full of fake CGI and looks pretty to his eyes
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 21:03:39 GMT
I'd say the dialogue is probably equally bad. The acting seems to be better in some films more than others. Good acting can sell shitty dialogue.... I'd say that the OT actors were probably able to overcome the shortcomings of Lucas as a director in ANH, whereas the PT actors, especially Natalie Portman, had a tougher time.But, for the life of me, I don't get how Hayden is panned for his performance while Portman is left off the hook. When I watch their scenes together, I see Hayden acting and Portman just lifelessly reciting lines. It's her performance that kills all their scenes together.... In all fairness, working as an actor on the OT would be a completely different experience than working on the PT. i.e. There was much more of this with the PT than the OT: I could buy that excuse (to a degree) for TPM. But, once that movie came out, everyone knew what Lucasfilm was capable of making the environments look like onscreen. TFA had similar shots and the acting in those was fine. I think it's more a combination of a) Lucas's directing, and b) many people really disagreed with the way Lucas wanted to portray the character of Anakin.
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