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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 3, 2022 8:51:21 GMT
I’ve had my doubts about those guys ever since I realised this means they no longer have to worship that damn Jew or any of those Mediterranean and Asian immigrant deities. I wonder how many actually believe in the Norse gods or it it just a lifestyle choice?
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Post by Catman on Jan 3, 2022 12:14:11 GMT
Does this mean Thor, Loki and the gang will be cancelled from the Marvel Universe?
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Post by clusium on Jan 3, 2022 22:30:14 GMT
I’ve had my doubts about those guys ever since I realised this means they no longer have to worship that damn Jew, Mediterranean and Asian immigrant deities. I wonder how many actually believe in the Norse gods or it it just a lifestyle choice? Mostly lifestyle choices, since one of the largest and oldest Norse Pagan communities is among white criminal gangs in the US prison system. But the paganism used as an excuse for racism goes back to at least Nazi Germany. I don't think it was that big with the German people, but the hardcore Nazis certainly embraced Norse paganism and the motifs continue with the Right Wingers to this day. Every time I post this photo, the righties on the board laugh and tell me how crazy I am. This is the tradition Odal rune so named for Odin. It stands from him and for "homeland," "heritage," or "father." This is the emblem used by the Nazi SS's racial purification division. This is the stage for one of the 2020 American Conservatives Union aka CPAC. Of course, this is all a nasty bastardization of genuine Norse Pagan Reconstructionist religion. What we know of the old religion is what historians using extant epigraphic record, archeology, and religious and cultural studies can dig up. There is no solid record of what Norse/Germanic paganism actually was since they did not have a written languages per se. They only had a simply rune system that varied from region to region and used more for magical purposes than record keeping. What we do have are the various Norse Christian scholars who took it upon themselves to collect and write down the rich body of myths as they were still being told around 1100-1200, but they were written in Latin and probably adulterated a bit. Of course, there is the fun of discovering just how much paganism has survived down through the many generations, sojourns, and diaspora of North Traditions people across the globe. I've been exploring it for some time as part of my own spiritual journey, however I also want to take it back from freaking pseudo-pagan racists. The majority of pagans in the US repudiate the racism and are universalists. Yeah, I've also read that there were quite a few leaders in Nazism that wanted to revive the ancient German religion (which shared the same deities as the Norse, Vikings, etc). However, most Germans would have remained Christian, so they tried to recreate Christianity into their own image of what a Nazi christian church should be.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 5, 2022 22:02:51 GMT
I could not see it mentioned but Norse magic is very much tied to the honour of the land it is not a huge step to move that to nationalism and racism.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 5, 2022 22:04:22 GMT
Mostly lifestyle choices, since one of the largest and oldest Norse Pagan communities is among white criminal gangs in the US prison system. But the paganism used as an excuse for racism goes back to at least Nazi Germany. I don't think it was that big with the German people, but the hardcore Nazis certainly embraced Norse paganism and the motifs continue with the Right Wingers to this day. Every time I post this photo, the righties on the board laugh and tell me how crazy I am. This is the tradition Odal rune so named for Odin. It stands from him and for "homeland," "heritage," or "father." This is the emblem used by the Nazi SS's racial purification division. This is the stage for one of the 2020 American Conservatives Union aka CPAC. Of course, this is all a nasty bastardization of genuine Norse Pagan Reconstructionist religion. What we know of the old religion is what historians using extant epigraphic record, archeology, and religious and cultural studies can dig up. There is no solid record of what Norse/Germanic paganism actually was since they did not have a written languages per se. They only had a simply rune system that varied from region to region and used more for magical purposes than record keeping. What we do have are the various Norse Christian scholars who took it upon themselves to collect and write down the rich body of myths as they were still being told around 1100-1200, but they were written in Latin and probably adulterated a bit. Of course, there is the fun of discovering just how much paganism has survived down through the many generations, sojourns, and diaspora of North Traditions people across the globe. I've been exploring it for some time as part of my own spiritual journey, however I also want to take it back from freaking pseudo-pagan racists. The majority of pagans in the US repudiate the racism and are universalists. Yeah, I've also read that there were quite a few leaders in Nazism that wanted to revive the ancient German religion (which shared the same deities as the Norse, Vikings, etc). However, most Germans would have remained Christian, so they tried to recreate Christianity into their own image of what a Nazi christian church should be. Hitler specifically spoke of a more German or Aryan Jesus, not the Jesus of the Jews. This is the primary reason I consider Hitler to be a Christian, he clearly felt he was, albeit a rather strange one, but then who am I to judge?
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Post by clusium on Jan 6, 2022 0:35:52 GMT
Yeah, I've also read that there were quite a few leaders in Nazism that wanted to revive the ancient German religion (which shared the same deities as the Norse, Vikings, etc). However, most Germans would have remained Christian, so they tried to recreate Christianity into their own image of what a Nazi christian church should be. Hitler specifically spoke of a more German or Aryan Jesus, not the Jesus of the Jews. This is the primary reason I consider Hitler to be a Christian, he clearly felt he was, albeit a rather strange one, but then who am I to judge? Hitler knew that the German people were specifically Christian. They were his target voting group. The Lord Jesus Was Jewish, plain & simple. There is no getting away from that small, simple fact.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 2:22:21 GMT
Hitler specifically spoke of a more German or Aryan Jesus, not the Jesus of the Jews. This is the primary reason I consider Hitler to be a Christian, he clearly felt he was, albeit a rather strange one, but then who am I to judge? Hitler knew that the German people were specifically Christian. They were his target voting group. The Lord Jesus Was Jewish, plain & simple. There is no getting away from that small, simple fact. I'm sorry I am reading that you think I somehow thought Hitler was on the right path in this regard. I am aware that an Aryan/German Jesus is, well shall we say a bit of a retcon??
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 2:22:52 GMT
I could not see it mentioned but Norse magic is very much tied to the honour of the land it is not a huge step to move that to nationalism and racism. Which is kinda ironic because the NT were a restless people, always looking to the next adventure over the horizon. But they believed any land they fought and died over was theirs. For them might made right. Might makes Right is the basis of Satanism, funny.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 3:14:34 GMT
Might makes Right is the basis of Satanism, funny. I believe it is God who is referred to as Almighty, sir, not Satan. Fear He whom you speak of, not his servant Satan. I didn't write the rules buddy, I just enforce them. Nah, I agree God is that which is all, there is nothing greater. I did a correspondence course in satanism when I wore a younger mans clothes, there was a lot of Might is Right Rhetoric there, and I see it repeated online in Satanic places. Probably better to say Might is Right is the basis of *some* Satanism maybe.
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Post by clusium on Jan 6, 2022 4:50:34 GMT
Hitler knew that the German people were specifically Christian. They were his target voting group. The Lord Jesus Was Jewish, plain & simple. There is no getting away from that small, simple fact. I'm sorry I am reading that you think I somehow thought Hitler was on the right path in this regard. I am aware that an Aryan/German Jesus is, well shall we say a bit of a retcon?? Hitler was actually ANTI-CHRISTIAN. He only "recreated" the Lord Jesus into the Aryan/German image in a bid to keep Christian voters in Germany. Nothing more, & nothing less.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 18:47:28 GMT
I'm sorry I am reading that you think I somehow thought Hitler was on the right path in this regard. I am aware that an Aryan/German Jesus is, well shall we say a bit of a retcon?? Hitler was actually ANTI-CHRISTIAN. He only "recreated" the Lord Jesus into the Aryan/German image in a bid to keep Christian voters in Germany. Nothing more, & nothing less. The evidence does not support that in my view.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 18:49:26 GMT
I didn't write the rules buddy, I just enforce them. Nah, I agree God is that which is all, there is nothing greater. I did a correspondence course in satanism when I wore a younger mans clothes, there was a lot of Might is Right Rhetoric there, and I see it repeated online in Satanic places. Probably better to say Might is Right is the basis of *some* Satanism maybe. You’re full of shit and know it too. The game is over. You’re what a morning after a Christian binge hangover looks like. Fuck, you ok? That was a bit of an escalation. Thanks for so far being polite guess you are having your period?
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Post by clusium on Jan 6, 2022 19:25:47 GMT
Hitler was actually ANTI-CHRISTIAN. He only "recreated" the Lord Jesus into the Aryan/German image in a bid to keep Christian voters in Germany. Nothing more, & nothing less. The evidence does not support that in my view. Hitler Hated Judaism, But, He Loathed Christianity Too
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 19:26:43 GMT
Fuck, you ok? That was a bit of an escalation. Thanks for so far being polite guess you are having your period?
You just accused me of being a Satanist, how can I escalate beyond that? What’s the next level of Hell can you send me to? How did you get that out of what I said?? I never accused you of being a satanist, you are an atheist as far as I am aware.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 19:30:19 GMT
You can find arguments both ways, I have read a lot of them in my view the argument that Hitler believed himself to be a sort of Christian (albeit a strange one that most christians today would disagree with) holds more water than any other.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 19:31:46 GMT
Hitler was actually ANTI-CHRISTIAN. He only "recreated" the Lord Jesus into the Aryan/German image in a bid to keep Christian voters in Germany. Nothing more, & nothing less. My theory is that Hitler hated the Jews because they spawned Christianity. Hitler hated the Jews because everyone hated them at the time.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 19:43:14 GMT
How did you get that out of what I said?? I never accused you of being a satanist, you are an atheist as far as I am aware.And a Pagan. You can be both. Pagans are not Satanists. Great, I would still be very interested as to how you thought I accused you of being a satanist.
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Post by clusium on Jan 6, 2022 19:47:55 GMT
He saw Christ as a Pagan god. Most Christian had no problem with the religion since it was the foundation of Christianity, they hated the Jews themselves for refusing to convert. I daresay Hitler saw God and Jesus as cultural variations of all the mythical beings. Which is a complete oxymoron. "Pagan" refers to non-christian religions, especially non-abrahamic ones. Would be on par with describing Moses as "Gentile prophet."
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Post by clusium on Jan 6, 2022 19:50:05 GMT
You can find arguments both ways, I have read a lot of them in my view the argument that Hitler believed himself to be a sort of Christian (albeit a strange one that most christians today would disagree with) holds more water than any other.
Yes, you can find arguments both ways. While you find that his claims to be christian holds more water than any other, I find his preference for eastern religions hold more water than any other. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 19:52:03 GMT
You can find arguments both ways, I have read a lot of them in my view the argument that Hitler believed himself to be a sort of Christian (albeit a strange one that most christians today would disagree with) holds more water than any other.
Yes, you can find arguments both ways. While you find that his claims to be christian holds more water than any other, I find his preference for eastern religions hold more water than any other. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think many historians disagree on the right answer, we are in good company.
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