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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 19:54:35 GMT
Great, I would still be very interested as to how you thought I accused you of being a satanist. You kept slipping it in. The “Might Makes Right” as something only Satanists do…except the history of the church’s persecution of the pagans turning their folkways, flawed as it might have been, into the personification of evil and punished innocent people as such, is an example of might makes right. But if you didn’t mean it that way, it’s all good. no I never said might makes right is something only satanists do, I said satanists make it the basis of their belief, that makes them a subset of the might makes right people. Honestly I never knew until about 20 minutes ago that you were also a pagan, and I do not recall you ever claiming you thought might make right was a correct philosophy. I accept your apology.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 20:05:47 GMT
no I never said might makes right is something only satanists do, I said satanists make it the basis of their belief, that makes them a subset of the might makes right people. Honestly I never knew until about 20 minutes ago that you were also a pagan, and I do not recall you ever claiming you thought might make right was a correct philosophy. I accept your apology. And Christians also make “might makes right” as the basis of their belief. However, pagans do not make “might makes right” a part of their belief. Far from it. The most famous Norse pagans were the Vikings, but other Northern Traditions were not as belligerent as them. They all seem to worship war though and raiding other tribes was a way of life. Grand, I never mentioned Pagans or Christians, I was simply commenting on the fact that lots of satanism is expressly built on the statement might is right. I am not sure why you feel the need to point out that other belief sets could also be perceived as believing that.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 20:39:29 GMT
Grand, I never mentioned Pagans or Christians, I was simply commenting on the fact that lots of satanism is expressly built on the statement might is right. I am not sure why you feel the need to point out that other belief sets could also be perceived as believing that. Okay, why did you bring up Satanism in a dark side of Paganism discussion? I’m obviously confused. You brought up 'Might is Right', I simply made an observation that this is the basis of lots of theistic Satanism, which I thought was a funny thing.
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Post by clusium on Jan 6, 2022 21:40:52 GMT
Which is a complete oxymoron. "Pagan" refers to non-christian religions, especially non-abrahamic ones. Would be on par with describing Moses as "Gentile prophet." That’s how he saw him. Maybe you should have explained it to him. The roots words for pagan and heathen simply means poor, country people…the poor of the earth the churches keep forgetting about. Actually, Christian Churches are the ones that give the most care to the poor, & have been since the very beginning.
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Post by mystery on Jan 6, 2022 23:21:52 GMT
That’s how he saw him. Maybe you should have explained it to him. The roots words for pagan and heathen simply means poor, country people…the poor of the earth the churches keep forgetting about. Actually, Christian Churches are the ones that give the most care to the poor, & have been since the very beginning. The term pagan just meant "country dweller." Things change more slowly in rural areas, because the people are more bonded with their traditional beliefs and lifestyles. Those roots run very deep. When Christianity arrived on the scene, the cities converted first, while the rural areas kept their faith in the old gods. It's not so different than what's happening today, except in reverse. Now it's the rural areas clinging to Christianity, while the urban areas are discarding it and moving on to something else, either atheism or some form of pop spirituality. This is a massive cultural shift that hasn't happened in Western civilization for almost 2 millennia. That shift didn't go so well for the Roman empire. We'll see how it affects us.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 23:41:05 GMT
Hitler hated the Jews because everyone hated them at the time. No, not everyone. Hitler hated Christianity because he saw it as a weak Jewish religion which destroyed Germanic strength as exemplified by the Norse gods.
His primary hatred was for Christianity. He only used religion to his political advantage because Germans were Christian.
His primary hatred was for the jews, as I said in this thread already the evidence suggests that Hitler felt he was a Christian, what he had a problem with was organisations that could disrupt his power, and the churches fell under that banner.
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Post by clusium on Jan 7, 2022 0:31:02 GMT
Actually, Christian Churches are the ones that give the most care to the poor, & have been since the very beginning. Except when they didn't, which was most of the time. What did they do before the Church came along? The people took care of themselves until the the estates ran the peasants to the cities. The overpopulation resulted in the making the Great Plague possible. That's nonsense. The Christian Church had always cared for the poor & sick. Hospitals -as we know them today - were started by a Christian monk. St. Sampson The Hospitable
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2022 18:40:51 GMT
His primary hatred was for the jews, as I said in this thread already the evidence suggests that Hitler felt he was a Christian, what he had a problem with was organisations that could disrupt his power, and the churches fell under that banner. You admitted above there are differing opinions.
As a former skinhead, I can tell you, Hitler's main problem was with Christianity which he saw as a Jewish sect. He was an atheist, followed Nietzsche's belief in the Übermensch or Superman, and wanted to revive Teutonic paganism. He just knew he had to accommodate Christians to gain the support of the German people.
I dont agree with that assessment, my opinion is that Hitler hated the occult and wanted to promote a German Christianity. As you say, the evidence is not conclusive, I think we might agree to disagree.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 13, 2022 17:44:54 GMT
I dont agree with that assessment, my opinion is that Hitler hated the occult and wanted to promote a German Christianity. As you say, the evidence is not conclusive, I think we might agree to disagree. I can agree to disagree. And there are differing views. But I would like to link you to a source which echos what I said, that Hitler believed Christianity was weak and contrary to his plans for the German "master race":
Yeah as I say there are varying opinions, Bullock later retracted the rationalist and materialist observation as it was seem to paint Hitler as an atheist. I 100% agree that Hitler hated the church and the wishy washy idea of Judaic Christianity partly because of the opposing power structure it represented and partly because eww yucky jews.
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Post by clusium on Jan 23, 2022 15:40:58 GMT
Yeah as I say there are varying opinions, Bullock later retracted the rationalist and materialist observation as it was seem to paint Hitler as an atheist. I 100% agree that Hitler hated the church and the wishy washy idea of Judaic Christianity partly because of the opposing power structure it represented and partly because eww yucky jews. The religion Hitler believed in was the one where he was the God. I think Trump worships at the same altar. Yes, & I believe that Justin Trudeau worships at that altar too.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 23, 2022 19:53:01 GMT
Yeah as I say there are varying opinions, Bullock later retracted the rationalist and materialist observation as it was seem to paint Hitler as an atheist. I 100% agree that Hitler hated the church and the wishy washy idea of Judaic Christianity partly because of the opposing power structure it represented and partly because eww yucky jews. The religion Hitler believed in was the one where he was the God. I think Trump worships at the same altar. Yeah I agree to that completely. I'm still convinced he thought he was a Christian, certainly though he worshipped himself, I mean he killed himself for the mystique not the smarts.
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