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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jan 16, 2022 23:35:43 GMT
Horrid and awful ending, and an overall gratuitous and useless Season 9 within the perimeter of its very same inconsistent story-arc.
I loved the "New Blood" season until this last episode. And the last episode reveals that: there's no higher meaning and no substantial purpose behind "New Blood". It has been just a commercial move to bring back the LOGO and make quick super-cash over the skin of the many fans that didn't "get" the greatness and the power of Season 8 and its ending. So sad and terrible.
SEASON 8 was bleak and brilliant, it was fascinating and full of mystery. It revealed more about the dark origins and nature of Dexter, as well as the psychopaths of his world/universe.
The ending was sublime. At the very end, Dexter has finally turned into a half psychopath, half human anomaly, thus he is truly "feeling" the ENTIRE PAIN for the loss of the love of his life, the woman he always loved... his soulmate... DEBRA. The pain kills him inside.
Eventually, after faking his death, Dexter condamns himself to live an empty life, as a shell of a man - no more a psychopath, no more a human person, just a shadow into the void forever.
He will die as an old man, alone and forgotten.
That's it. Sublime ending.
Also, bringing back the ONLY WOMAN he truly loved in his life, the only HUMAN PERSON he ever truly loved, as an antagonist "ghost" of his psyche is just lame and disrespectful towards the real Debra. That's just the first wrong step of "New Blood".
NEW BLOOD is an alternate universe to me, and one without sense, meaning or purpose.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Jan 16, 2022 23:40:58 GMT
Well I disagree. I didn’t hate the season 8 ending the way some did. I think many were too hard on it. I get what Scott Buck, the head writer at the time, was going for. However, it just didn’t really feel like an ending. There wasn’t a whole lot of closure. It in many ways just felt like they were setting up a new arc for Dexter.
I think that’s one issue I have with the ending of New Blood. It felt kinda rushed. I’m fine with Dexter dying, but I feel like after all the trouble they went through to keep him alive at the end of the original series they should have kept him alive longer in New Blood. It felt like their were new antagonist to take on and new adventures for him with Harrison.
Overall I did like New Blood and I’m glad they did it. Kurt Caldwell was a great antagonist. I really think he was one of Dexter’s best. I feel like they did a good job establishing the show once again in a new setting. I really hope there is a season 2. I hope we follow Harrison going out to LA and Dexter following him as his own personal dark passenger.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 5:33:15 GMT
For me Dexter canon ends after season four. 5-8 are a disaster. I was very optimistic that New Blood would provide a good ending, but it didn’t.
Season 5 should’ve featured Dexter getting caught (almost certainly by Deb), as originally planned before Showtime forced out Clyde Phillips and milked the series. They ruined it then and it proved un-salvageable in this revival.
The new ending, however flawed, is indisputably better than the original one though.
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Post by Winter_King on Jan 17, 2022 10:52:57 GMT
I'll take the new ending over the previous one.
My main complain is that this season could've benefited from two more episodes and the writers should've gotten us that Batista/Dexter reunion.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Jan 17, 2022 14:26:54 GMT
For me Dexter canon ends after season four. 5-8 are a disaster. I was very optimistic that New Blood would provide a good ending, but it didn’t. Season 5 should’ve featured Dexter getting caught (almost certainly by Deb), as originally planned before Showtime forced out Clyde Phillips and milked the series. They ruined it then and it proved un-salvageable in this revival. The new ending, however flawed, is indisputably better than the original one though. I don't know if they really forced him out. I remember reading he wanted to do 2 more seasons with the 6th being the final one ending with his lethal injection ending. Showtime wouldn't commit to that plan, so he decided to leave. They transitioned him over to head writer of Nurse Jackie, so employment wise he was compt. In some ways I think it worked out for the best because I really don't see Deb turning on him. I think the way the original series handled her discovering who he truly was was true to her character. The way Angela reacted in New Blood I have a feeling that's what Phillips planned for Deb in seasons 5-6. If so I'm glad that didn't happen. I'm also kinda curious how Clyde Phillips would have taken us to the lethal injection ending. Biggest problem with the ending for New Blood was it felt rushed. Would that ending have felt rushed too? I think in order to do that ending you couldn't have done the typical antagonist of the season approach we've seen in other seasons.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Jan 17, 2022 14:27:53 GMT
I'll take the new ending over the previous one. My main complain is that this season could've benefited from two more episodes and the writers should've gotten us that Batista/Dexter reunion. I really think they should have done 10 more episodes. They should have split it into 2 halves. The 2nd part could have been Dexter on the run in LA with Harrison.
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Post by Winter_King on Jan 17, 2022 14:51:12 GMT
I'll take the new ending over the previous one. My main complain is that this season could've benefited from two more episodes and the writers should've gotten us that Batista/Dexter reunion. I really think they should have done 10 more episodes. They should have split it into 2 halves. The 2nd part could have been Dexter on the run in LA with Harrison. That would've worked but I guess when they were planning the revival they decided to go with a single season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 18:52:47 GMT
For me Dexter canon ends after season four. 5-8 are a disaster. I was very optimistic that New Blood would provide a good ending, but it didn’t. Season 5 should’ve featured Dexter getting caught (almost certainly by Deb), as originally planned before Showtime forced out Clyde Phillips and milked the series. They ruined it then and it proved un-salvageable in this revival. The new ending, however flawed, is indisputably better than the original one though. I don't know if they really forced him out. I remember reading he wanted to do 2 more seasons with the 6th being the final one ending with his lethal injection ending. Showtime wouldn't commit to that plan, so he decided to leave. They transitioned him over to head writer of Nurse Jackie, so employment wise he was compt. In some ways I think it worked out for the best because I really don't see Deb turning on him. I think the way the original series handled her discovering who he truly was was true to her character. The way Angela reacted in New Blood I have a feeling that's what Phillips planned for Deb in seasons 5-6. If so I'm glad that didn't happen. I'm also kinda curious how Clyde Phillips would have taken us to the lethal injection ending. Biggest problem with the ending for New Blood was it felt rushed. Would that ending have felt rushed too? I think in order to do that ending you couldn't have done the typical antagonist of the season approach we've seen in other seasons. Well “forced out” is probably too strong a word. They probably would’ve let him stay if he complied with their plan. But my point remains that network meddling ruined the series. I’m positive that Angela was basically a Deb replacement to implement his original ideas. Personally I hated that Deb sided with him in season 7. It was so out of character. She was a police detective trying to live up to her father’s image so discovering the truth and then becoming who she thought her father was by stopping the monster he created would’ve been so perfect. And her investigation/interrogation of him would’ve had all the personal stakes and intensity that the version with Angela lacked. Clyde’s original ending likely would’ve very organically followed the ending of season four, with Dexter actually changing as a result of Rita’s death rather than just completely resetting things the way the actual season five did.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jan 17, 2022 19:00:31 GMT
More food for thought:
They killed Dexter without any reason.
Harrison did NOT need to kill Dexter in order to become "normal" or "free". That's insane.
Harrison has SEVERAL TRAUMA ISSUES, and killing Dexter cannot solve that. Killing his own father...
Dexter shouldn't have died, but if you're making him die, just make him die for a valid reason in the greater scheme of things.
Predictable, pointless, empty screenplay. No genius whatsoever.
This ending is just terrible, such an embarassment.
Parallel universe.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Jan 17, 2022 19:43:28 GMT
I don't know if they really forced him out. I remember reading he wanted to do 2 more seasons with the 6th being the final one ending with his lethal injection ending. Showtime wouldn't commit to that plan, so he decided to leave. They transitioned him over to head writer of Nurse Jackie, so employment wise he was compt. In some ways I think it worked out for the best because I really don't see Deb turning on him. I think the way the original series handled her discovering who he truly was was true to her character. The way Angela reacted in New Blood I have a feeling that's what Phillips planned for Deb in seasons 5-6. If so I'm glad that didn't happen. I'm also kinda curious how Clyde Phillips would have taken us to the lethal injection ending. Biggest problem with the ending for New Blood was it felt rushed. Would that ending have felt rushed too? I think in order to do that ending you couldn't have done the typical antagonist of the season approach we've seen in other seasons. Well “forced out” is probably too strong a word. They probably would’ve let him stay if he complied with their plan. But my point remains that network meddling ruined the series. I’m positive that Angela was basically a Deb replacement to implement his original ideas. Personally I hated that Deb sided with him in season 7. It was so out of character. She was a police detective trying to live up to her father’s image so discovering the truth and then becoming who she thought her father was by stopping the monster he created would’ve been so perfect. And her investigation/interrogation of him would’ve had all the personal stakes and intensity that the version with Angela lacked. Clyde’s original ending likely would’ve very organically followed the ending of season four, with Dexter actually changing as a result of Rita’s death rather than just completely resetting things the way the actual season five did. I agree about the Angela part, but I disagree about the Deb part. I can definitely see Phillips going that route. However, I think the way things actually played out was more true to her character. Her love for Dexter trumped everything. Her principles, her morals, the way she thought she was raised, etc. Dexter mattered to her more. However, it's not like that stuff just disappeared. So what we got was this very self-hating conflicted character in seasons 7 and 8. I think that version of Deb rang more true, imo. I do agree though things were far less personal with Angela. They really hardly knew each other in the grand scheme of things. Which is why I think her figuring him out fell short for many viewers. Deb would have added much more drama and intensity to it. I just don't think it was in her.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Jan 17, 2022 19:55:49 GMT
More food for thought: They killed Dexter without any reason. Harrison did NOT need to kill Dexter in order to become "normal" or "free". That's insane. Harrison has SEVERAL TRAUMA ISSUES, and killing Dexter cannot solve that. Killing his own father... Dexter shouldn't have died, but if you're making him die, just make him die for a valid reason in the greater scheme of things. Predictable, pointless, empty screenplay. No genius whatsoever. This ending is just terrible, such an embarassment. Parallel universe. I do question how Harrison killing Dexter would set him free? I think they were trying to say Dexter was somehow a burden or detriment to him. I don't really see that as true, but I think that's what they were going for. I also think they wanted to make Harrison sort of a hero. Dexter became unhinged in the finale (despite some poor writing getting there). So they had Harrison step up and be the hero to put Dexter down.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 6:44:20 GMT
Well “forced out” is probably too strong a word. They probably would’ve let him stay if he complied with their plan. But my point remains that network meddling ruined the series. I’m positive that Angela was basically a Deb replacement to implement his original ideas. Personally I hated that Deb sided with him in season 7. It was so out of character. She was a police detective trying to live up to her father’s image so discovering the truth and then becoming who she thought her father was by stopping the monster he created would’ve been so perfect. And her investigation/interrogation of him would’ve had all the personal stakes and intensity that the version with Angela lacked. Clyde’s original ending likely would’ve very organically followed the ending of season four, with Dexter actually changing as a result of Rita’s death rather than just completely resetting things the way the actual season five did. I agree about the Angela part, but I disagree about the Deb part. I can definitely see Phillips going that route. However, I think the way things actually played out was more true to her character. Her love for Dexter trumped everything. Her principles, her morals, the way she thought she was raised, etc. Dexter mattered to her more. However, it's not like that stuff just disappeared. So what we got was this very self-hating conflicted character in seasons 7 and 8. I think that version of Deb rang more true, imo. I do agree though things were far less personal with Angela. They really hardly knew each other in the grand scheme of things. Which is why I think her figuring him out fell short for many viewers. Deb would have added much more drama and intensity to it. I just don't think it was in her. Hmm. I just don’t see it personally. Deb herself survived the Ice Truck guy and dedicated her life to catching killers. Loving someone wouldn’t lead you to accept such a horrific revelation it would only deepen the shock and betrayal of being deceived. But… regardless, I suppose I could’ve gone with it had the writing been better. What really annoyed me is that Deb finding out was relegated to being a subplot with more screen time going to stupidity like Hannah and the mobster stuff.
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Post by Winter_King on Jan 18, 2022 10:31:30 GMT
I don't know if they really forced him out. I remember reading he wanted to do 2 more seasons with the 6th being the final one ending with his lethal injection ending. Showtime wouldn't commit to that plan, so he decided to leave. They transitioned him over to head writer of Nurse Jackie, so employment wise he was compt. In some ways I think it worked out for the best because I really don't see Deb turning on him. I think the way the original series handled her discovering who he truly was was true to her character. The way Angela reacted in New Blood I have a feeling that's what Phillips planned for Deb in seasons 5-6. If so I'm glad that didn't happen. I'm also kinda curious how Clyde Phillips would have taken us to the lethal injection ending. Biggest problem with the ending for New Blood was it felt rushed. Would that ending have felt rushed too? I think in order to do that ending you couldn't have done the typical antagonist of the season approach we've seen in other seasons. Well “forced out” is probably too strong a word. They probably would’ve let him stay if he complied with their plan. But my point remains that network meddling ruined the series. I’m positive that Angela was basically a Deb replacement to implement his original ideas. Personally I hated that Deb sided with him in season 7. It was so out of character. She was a police detective trying to live up to her father’s image so discovering the truth and then becoming who she thought her father was by stopping the monster he created would’ve been so perfect. And her investigation/interrogation of him would’ve had all the personal stakes and intensity that the version with Angela lacked. Clyde’s original ending likely would’ve very organically followed the ending of season four, with Dexter actually changing as a result of Rita’s death rather than just completely resetting things the way the actual season five did. One more reason why I despise season 8. They set up the perfect opportunity in the finale for Deb to go after Dexter when Dexter decided to kill LaGuerta. Instead all I got was Deb pissed at Dexter for three episodes. No consequences whatsoever.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Jan 18, 2022 15:00:28 GMT
I agree about the Angela part, but I disagree about the Deb part. I can definitely see Phillips going that route. However, I think the way things actually played out was more true to her character. Her love for Dexter trumped everything. Her principles, her morals, the way she thought she was raised, etc. Dexter mattered to her more. However, it's not like that stuff just disappeared. So what we got was this very self-hating conflicted character in seasons 7 and 8. I think that version of Deb rang more true, imo. I do agree though things were far less personal with Angela. They really hardly knew each other in the grand scheme of things. Which is why I think her figuring him out fell short for many viewers. Deb would have added much more drama and intensity to it. I just don't think it was in her. Hmm. I just don’t see it personally. Deb herself survived the Ice Truck guy and dedicated her life to catching killers. Loving someone wouldn’t lead you to accept such a horrific revelation it would only deepen the shock and betrayal of being deceived. But… regardless, I suppose I could’ve gone with it had the writing been better. What really annoyed me is that Deb finding out was relegated to being a subplot with more screen time going to stupidity like Hannah and the mobster stuff. I think without question it definitely would have been very intense and dramatic if Deb did decide not to accept Dexter when she found out the truth and tried to out him/capture him. I can see why you and others wanted that. I just feel like bringing it to that point in a very believable way would be difficult; at least from my perspective as a viewer. I just look at Deb and how much she loved Dexter and how much she relied on him. He was her number one for just about everything. Emotional support, a father figure after Harry died. Not to mention they grew up together. Deb essentially spent her whole life with Dexter. Their bond ran deep. I think it would take more than one revelation, despite that being a huge one like her brother being a serial killer, to break that bond. So it was easier for me to see why she would abandon her principles to try to protect Dexter. I do definitely agree though they shortchanged Deb's reaction and dealing with the truth in seasons 7 and 8 in favor of stuff like Hannah and Isaak Sirko. That was one of those down sides of the Dexter writing team. They got too caught up in seasonal plot points and didn't focus as much as they could have on the journey of the characters. That rang true again in New Blood.
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