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Post by Nora on Jan 19, 2022 3:45:32 GMT
is responsible for recognizing whats “reality” and whats “fiction” as in TV/ movies. If u think about it its fascinating. I spent 2 weeks watching the Game of Thrones - about 5 hours Per day. Binging. By day 3 or so all my dreams were GOT themed and I started to develop fairly intense feelings for some of the characters. (Tyrion mostly). I finished the show one day ago but have been missing it So much I started rewatching it today. Now before u call me crazy (too late? ) let me say this: I realize its fiction, I am not confusing it with reality. But I wonder: how is it possible?? How is my brain able to process it and evaluate it as non reality when I spend so much time “in it”, both awake and dreaming, and have such intense feeling that I miss the characters when not “with them”?? I admire our brains so much. And I now feel more empathetic toward mentally ill people who lost the power to differentiate between reality and fiction. It doesnt seem that far away from what I am experiening now. It also feels more plausible to me that if aliens didnt have tvs they would think our tv programs are documentaries like it was in Gallaxy Quest. Of course. How could they not? What do you think are the markers of “reality” for the brain? What is the mechanism of it all? How does it know that Tyrion Lannister is not real but Peter Dinklage is? I never met either. And have stronger feelings for Tyrion. Yet my brain understands one is real and one is not. What gives??
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Post by Nora on Jan 20, 2022 19:31:55 GMT
I think this might tie in to a question of whether or not a pet, for example, realizes that action on a tv screen is not real. This might have to do with the fact that we can differentiate real live 3-D action from a simulation on a tv screen. my friend recently got VR device and one of the first things he tried was, of course, porn. He said it was incredibly thrilling and felt next to real. I really wonder where this is going, once the technology gets even closer to Ready Player One. I feel like fighting against it is a lost cause, maybe regulating it or asking for more transparency is the way? I am constantly amazed by the human brain though and closer and closer to thinking Matrix is a distinct possibility
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Post by divtal on Jan 20, 2022 20:17:06 GMT
Gameboy's thought about being able to discern among "true," VS "projected," visuals may very well play into it. At the risk of sounding like Rod Serling, maybe ... "Somewhere, between reality and fiction, lies a middle ground" ... called imagination. It can be pleasurable, or frightening. It's necessary for creativity. And, we're familiar with it from a very young age: -- The handsome prince, and the beautiful princess -- Snotty little Hansel and Grettal break into the old lady's house, and push her into the oven I think that imagination is a universal draw. In the 1990's, I loved the series "Northern Exposure." The writers/producers were so clever, and used all manner of "impossibilities," to create great episodes. And, all of this was happening in the "real" town of Cicely, Alaska. I wanted to go to Cicely. When the series ended, I bought the full DVD collection.
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Post by Nora on Jan 20, 2022 20:40:58 GMT
Gameboy's thought about being able to discern among "true," VS "projected," visuals may very well play into it. At the risk of sounding like Rod Serling, maybe ... "Somewhere, between reality and fiction, lies a middle ground" ... called imagination. It can be pleasurable, or frightening. It's necessary for creativity. And, we're familiar with it from a very young age: -- The handsome prince, and the beautiful princess -- Snotty little Hansel and Grettal break into the old lady's house, and push her into the oven I think that imagination is a universal draw. In the 1990's, I loved the series "Northern Exposure." The writers/producers were so clever, and used all manner of "impossibilities," to create great episodes. And, all of this was happening in the "real" town of Cicely, Alaska. I wanted to go to Cicely. When the series ended, I bought the full DVD collection. oh I loved that show too. I have many places like that that I wanted to visit. Narnia being another one of them. but what i think about more often these days is where does the ability to differenciate whats real and whats not start and end. -feelings dont make anything real - amount of time we devote to it doesnt make it real - learning about it doesnt make it real touching may be on the boarder there but tech will allow us to simulate touch for sure. so whats left? Just somebody ANNOUNCING to us> this thing is Not real. It is man made. And we believe it. Why? Why does our brain believe it? (for majority people at least) If love doesnt make it real, what does?
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 23, 2022 6:48:52 GMT
is responsible for recognizing whats “reality” and whats “fiction” as in TV/ movies. If u think about it its fascinating. I spent 2 weeks watching the Game of Thrones - about 5 hours Per day. Binging. By day 3 or so all my dreams were GOT themed and I started to develop fairly intense feelings for some of the characters. (Tyrion mostly). I finished the show one day ago but have been missing it So much I started rewatching it today. Now before u call me crazy (too late? ) let me say this: I realize its fiction, I am not confusing it with reality. But I wonder: how is it possible?? How is my brain able to process it and evaluate it as non reality when I spend so much time “in it”, both awake and dreaming, and have such intense feeling that I miss the characters when not “with them”?? I admire our brains so much. And I now feel more empathetic toward mentally ill people who lost the power to differentiate between reality and fiction. It doesnt seem that far away from what I am experiening now. It also feels more plausible to me that if aliens didnt have tvs they would think our tv programs are documentaries like it was in Gallaxy Quest. Of course. How could they not? What do you think are the markers of “reality” for the brain? What is the mechanism of it all? How does it know that Tyrion Lannister is not real but Peter Dinklage is? I never met either. And have stronger feelings for Tyrion. Yet my brain understands one is real and one is not. What gives?? Memory and reasoning. We have evolved to be able to distinguish what is real from what isn't, because it plays a big part in our survival. You are making it more difficult than it is. We know that these are movies and we know how and why movies are made. That is how we tell the difference between most things. Our brain is constantly accessing information. We can never be absolutely certain about most things, but we can be fairly certain about a lot of things. You stated you can clearly tell the difference between reality and fiction, whereas a psychotic can't. This person's brain isn't functioning the way it is suppose to and that is why there are anti-psychotic medications.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jan 23, 2022 6:53:46 GMT
Without thinking about it, I think that's part of the brain that tells some people that 21st century films are are as good as 20th century films. But, that part of the brain would be lying to you.
Cuz, there's no way, that 21st century films are as good as 20th century films. Because you all know, that the 20th century was a world before the world became a joke.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 23, 2022 11:32:24 GMT
We could do surgical experiments to find out but we already know where that sort of behaviour eventually led to. But I’d say experience and familiarity helps and we can now watch a film of a train pulling into a station without panicking. Ironically enough that story is believed to be false… The film is associated with a well known rumor in the world of cinema. The story goes that when the film was first shown, the audience was so overwhelmed by the moving image of a life-sized train coming directly at them that people screamed and ran to the back of the room. Hellmuth Karasek in the German magazine Der Spiegel wrote that the film "had a particularly lasting impact; yes, it caused fear, terror, even panic." However, some have doubted the veracity of this incident such as film scholar and historian Martin Loiperdinger in his essay, "Lumiere's Arrival of the Train: Cinema's Founding Myth". Others such as theorist Benjamin H. Bratton have speculated that the alleged reaction may have been caused by the projection being mistaken for a camera obscura by the audience which at the time would have been the only other technique to produce a naturalistic moving image. Whether or not it actually happened, the film undoubtedly astonished people unaccustomed to the illusion created by moving images.
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Post by Nora on Jan 23, 2022 17:05:54 GMT
is responsible for recognizing whats “reality” and whats “fiction” as in TV/ movies. And I now feel more empathetic toward mentally ill people who lost the power to differentiate between reality and fiction. It doesnt seem that far away from what I am experiening now. It also feels more plausible to me that if aliens didnt have tvs they would think our tv programs are documentaries like it was in Gallaxy Quest. Of course. How could they not? What do you think are the markers of “reality” for the brain? What is the mechanism of it all? How does it know that Tyrion Lannister is not real but Peter Dinklage is? I never met either. And have stronger feelings for Tyrion. Yet my brain understands one is real and one is not. What gives?? Memory and reasoning. We have evolved to be able to distinguish what is real from what isn't, because it plays a big part in our survival. You are making it more difficult than it is. We know that these are movies and we know how and why movies are made. That is how we tell the difference between most things. Our brain is constantly accessing information. We can never be absolutely certain about most things, but we can be fairly certain about a lot of things. You stated you can clearly tell the difference between reality and fiction, whereas a psychotic can't. This person's brain isn't functioning the way it is suppose to and that is why there are anti-psychotic medications. agreed. but what part of the brain is that, thats not working properly. EDIT: upon googling this fold seems to play a big part: paracingulate sulcus i understand nobody he is a neuroscientist (I presume) but I see it as fascinating to explore this topic more on the metaphysical level. - spending time with it does not make it real - loving it does not making real - seeing or touching it does not make it real so what is the criteria for establishing something is real. You say its memory and reasoining. Perhaps. Can you expand on the use of both of these components in assesing if something is real, if you are interested in debating the issue?
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Post by Nora on Jan 23, 2022 17:09:43 GMT
Without consulting a neuroscientist, it probably has to do with our ability to empathize, that is our ability place ourselves in another person's situation and feel the same emotions as them. However, I'm not sure that most human cultures actually do tell the difference between fantasy and reality, at least not all the time. Certainly religious revelation, or theophany, comes from the human mind, but it is mistaken for a higher being speaking from the outside. And then there is current moral panics causing massive belief in the most bizarre things as being real. So, good critical thinking skills will help us differentiate fiction from reality. Yes I too believe critical thinking plays an important part in assessment of reality. Combined with empathy… hm.. interesting idea. Interesting article on the topic here, but it focuses mostly on differentiating internal thoughts/stimmuli vs external stimuli. How to differenciate between the two. www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/getting-a-grip-on-realityNot sure it would apply to my example of tv vs real life. I am more interested in exploring which external stimuli we consider real as in genuine and which are artificially made for us. (such as tv or games). Once 3d reality is full on, and a few decades or hundreds of living with it/in it happen I wonder how our brains will change or evolve to accommodate it. Now the quesiton is: will the brain evolve to still differentiate between real and not because it will still be the best route for long term survival? OR… will the brain adapt that we will accept 3d reality as just as real or even "more real" because THAT will be seen as best route for long term survival?
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Post by Nora on Jan 23, 2022 17:20:23 GMT
We could do surgical experiments to find out but we already know where that sort of behaviour eventually led to. But I’d say experience and familiarity helps and we can now watch a film of a train pulling into a station without panicking. Ironically enough that story is believed to be false… The film is associated with a well known rumor in the world of cinema. The story goes that when the film was first shown, the audience was so overwhelmed by the moving image of a life-sized train coming directly at them that people screamed and ran to the back of the room. Hellmuth Karasek in the German magazine Der Spiegel wrote that the film "had a particularly lasting impact; yes, it caused fear, terror, even panic." However, some have doubted the veracity of this incident such as film scholar and historian Martin Loiperdinger in his essay, "Lumiere's Arrival of the Train: Cinema's Founding Myth". Others such as theorist Benjamin H. Bratton have speculated that the alleged reaction may have been caused by the projection being mistaken for a camera obscura by the audience which at the time would have been the only other technique to produce a naturalistic moving image. Whether or not it actually happened, the film undoubtedly astonished people unaccustomed to the illusion created by moving images.
very interesting. I am more inclined to belive it than not tbh. But think about it this way: the first time people saw the Andalusian dog with that horrific eye scene people were incredibly horrified. Their brain was. Their brain initial reaction upon seeing it I believe presented it as real, then their own internal reasoning had to step in and calm them down. The relationship between the two fascinates me.
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Post by Nora on Jan 23, 2022 17:23:13 GMT
there is a fairly interesting sub plot in the show Brand New Cherry Flavor dealing just with this, losing the ability to distinguish whats real or not. the way they portray it is (these are not spoiilers I dont think) - spending enough time feeling emotions for the fake thing plus - actively imagining it is real - someone in a position of authority acting as if the thing was real would in some individuals eventually make it seem as real. it would become their reality. I guess its just brainwashing, no? So it goes back my previous assessment: we belive something is fake/real not only because our critical reasoning but also the external world tells us. perhaps because an external authority tells us. Be it the government, the parents or simply the group of people around you acting as if something is/isnt real. Weird when you think about it, right?
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 23, 2022 17:40:01 GMT
Memory and reasoning. We have evolved to be able to distinguish what is real from what isn't, because it plays a big part in our survival. You are making it more difficult than it is. We know that these are movies and we know how and why movies are made. That is how we tell the difference between most things. Our brain is constantly accessing information. We can never be absolutely certain about most things, but we can be fairly certain about a lot of things. You stated you can clearly tell the difference between reality and fiction, whereas a psychotic can't. This person's brain isn't functioning the way it is suppose to and that is why there are anti-psychotic medications. agreed. but what part of the brain is that, thats not working properly. i understand nobody he is a neuroscientist (I presume) but I see it as fascinating to explore this topic more on the metaphysical level. - spending time with it does not make it real - loving it does not making real - seeing or touching it does not make it real so what is the criteria for establishing something is real. You say its memory and reasoining. Perhaps. Can you expand on the use of both of these components in assesing if something is real, if you are interested in debating the issue? I am not a philosopher or scientist obviously, but I have read about this stuff and it is something that interests me. I am not sure if they know exactly what part of the brain is responsible for these things. An are in the prefrontal cortex I think. I am also not exactly sure what you are asking at this point. Like I said, we can never know for certain whether we are in the matrix or not, but we don't need to. We assume that we aren't until there is evidence that points to that we are. I am not even sure what evidence that would be, but it seems like something all of us would know if we saw it. We know fiction isn't real because we know that movies are made by people, we can watch them being made, we can watch them being filmed, we can watch behind the scenes stuff, we see actors promoting the movies etc. This is very strong evidence that this stuff is fiction. If you were a child raised in a room like in the movie Room, and your only contact is telling you that everything that movies are really happening then you wouldn't know they are fiction as long as your captor keeps you locked up. In the case of the aliens in Galaxy Quest, the reason they don't understand that the TV show isn't real is because there is no such thing as TV shows on their planet. There have no context and aren't the smartest aliens in the first place. We use inductive reasoning. We have zero evidence pointing to a place called Mordor existing or ever existing, so that is strong evidence that it is a fictional location. Same with the mythical Atlantis.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 23, 2022 17:42:01 GMT
Without consulting a neuroscientist, it probably has to do with our ability to empathize, that is our ability place ourselves in another person's situation and feel the same emotions as them. However, I'm not sure that most human cultures actually do tell the difference between fantasy and reality, at least not all the time. Certainly religious revelation, or theophany, comes from the human mind, but it is mistaken for a higher being speaking from the outside. And then there is current moral panics causing massive belief in the most bizarre things as being real. So, good critical thinking skills will help us differentiate fiction from reality. Yes I too believe critical thinking plays an important part in assessment of reality. Combined with empathy… hm.. interesting idea. Interesting article on the topic here, but it focuses mostly on differentiating internal thoughts/stimmuli vs external stimuli. How to differenciate between the two. www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/getting-a-grip-on-realityNot sure it would apply to my example of tv vs real life. I am more interested in exploring which external stimuli we consider real as in genuine and which are artificially made for us. (such as tv or games). Once 3d reality is full on, and a few decades or hundreds of living with it/in it happen I wonder how our brains will change or evolve to accommodate it. Now the quesiton is: will the brain evolve to still differentiate between real and not because it will still be the best route for long term survival? OR… will the brain adapt that we will accept 3d reality as just as real or even "more real" because THAT will be seen as best route for long term survival? I don't really understand Paul's empathy argument. Psychopaths lack empathy and are able to distinguish reality from fiction. Paul is touching on something much more difficult than movies and TV though. That is just very easy to tell the difference, whereas we don't have the original religious writers to talk to about their flawed thinking skills and they have sold this stuff as being real. We can't trace the origin of religion in the way we can trace movies. We know when the camera was invented and what it was invented for, we know what acting is and what the point of acting is. It is pretend and everybody knows this. If there are people who don't understand that movies are fiction, they are in the extreme minority and have very poor critical thinking skills and/or are insane. I highly doubt 3-D reality will ever be considered reality, because even in a movie like RP1 they are able to tell the difference. They understand the difference because they know that it was a technology invented by humans. Now if someone stayed in the 3-D reality all the time and then raised a kid in that 3-D world, the kid would have no way of knowing the difference. So it is interesting in that sense. It is similar as The Matrix, where there is no way to tell the difference until someone reaches in and pulls you out and even then there is no way for the humans that are outside the matrix to know there aren't just in another simulation. You could do that forever. Pull them out of the next and they still wouldn't know for certain.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 23, 2022 18:27:20 GMT
there is a fairly interesting sub plot in the show Brand New Cherry Flavor dealing just with this, losing the ability to distinguish whats real or not. the way they portray it is (these are not spoiilers I dont think) - spending enough time feeling emotions for the fake thing plus - actively imagining it is real - someone in a position of authority acting as if the thing was real would in some individuals eventually make it seem as real. it would become their reality. I guess its just brainwashing, no? So it goes back my previous assessment: we belive something is fake/real not only because our critical reasoning but also the external world tells us. perhaps because an external authority tells us. Be it the government, the parents or simply the group of people around you acting as if something is/isnt real. Weird when you think about it, right? Are you familiar with solipsism? There is only one thing each person can know for certain, and that is that they exist. Everything else is induction, including whether or not any other minds exist besides yours.
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Post by Nora on Jan 23, 2022 18:30:54 GMT
agreed. but what part of the brain is that, thats not working properly. i understand nobody he is a neuroscientist (I presume) but I see it as fascinating to explore this topic more on the metaphysical level. - spending time with it does not make it real - loving it does not making real - seeing or touching it does not make it real so what is the criteria for establishing something is real. You say its memory and reasoining. Perhaps. Can you expand on the use of both of these components in assesing if something is real, if you are interested in debating the issue? I am not a philosopher or scientist obviously, but I have read about this stuff and it is something that interests me. I am not sure if they know exactly what part of the brain is responsible for these things. An are in the prefrontal cortex I think. I am also not exactly sure what you are asking at this point. Like I said, we can never know for certain whether we are in the matrix or not, but we don't need to. We assume that we aren't until there is evidence that points to that we are. I am not even sure what evidence that would be, but it seems like something all of us would know if we saw it. We know fiction isn't real because we know that movies are made by people, we can watch them being made, we can watch them being filmed, we can watch behind the scenes stuff, we see actors promoting the movies etc. This is very strong evidence that this stuff is fiction. If you were a child raised in a room like in the movie Room, and your only contact is telling you that everything that movies are really happening then you wouldn't know they are fiction as long as your captor keeps you locked up. In the case of the aliens in Galaxy Quest, the reason they don't understand that the TV show isn't real is because there is no such thing as TV shows on their planet. There have no context and aren't the smartest aliens in the first place. We use inductive reasoning. We have zero evidence pointing to a place called Mordor existing or ever existing, so that is strong evidence that it is a fictional location. Same with the mythical Atlantis. so it seems to me you are saying that (provided we have whats considered a normal brain) it is critical thinking /inductive reasoning that saves us from confusing reality with fiction. right? how come people with poor critical thinking/ inductive reasoning skills/ abilities dont (I am guessing) confuse reality with fiction then? Even mentally handicapped people whose iq (connected to critical thinking/inductive reasoning i believe) is fairly low (lets say under 90 IQ points) understand tv vs reality. Wouldn't their ability to differentiate decline along with their cognitive skills? (I presume there is a link between IQ and critical thinking/inductive reasoning, we don't know how strong the link is but I presume the link exists)
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Post by Nora on Jan 23, 2022 18:34:57 GMT
there is a fairly interesting sub plot in the show Brand New Cherry Flavor dealing just with this, losing the ability to distinguish whats real or not. the way they portray it is (these are not spoiilers I dont think) - spending enough time feeling emotions for the fake thing plus - actively imagining it is real - someone in a position of authority acting as if the thing was real would in some individuals eventually make it seem as real. it would become their reality. I guess its just brainwashing, no? So it goes back my previous assessment: we belive something is fake/real not only because our critical reasoning but also the external world tells us. perhaps because an external authority tells us. Be it the government, the parents or simply the group of people around you acting as if something is/isnt real. Weird when you think about it, right? Are you familiar with solipsism? There is only one thing each person can know for certain, and that is that they exist. Everything else is induction, including whether or not any other minds exist besides yours. yes. I would like to better understand the mechanism our brains and our "minds" (internal dialogue/thoughts) use to differentiate between reality and fiction. so far we have prefrontal cortex plus critical thinking/ inductive reasoning. I believe there is a treshold of exposure AND other elements though when reached/combined the brain "gives up/switches off/starts confusing the two". I would love to know what that combination is and how far we are from it now et the onset of virtual reality and how do we hold on to it once virtual reality is the norm. And… do we WANT TO hold on to it. Thats maybe even bigger question for me. I would also like to understand how come we are able to develop what feels like a real emotion for a fictitious character. I realize its common but would love to understand the dynamics behind it. We can apply all the critical thinking we want but we still from time to time and some more than others fall in love (or hate) a completely fictitious character. To the point of pining after them, missing them, yearning for them or even suffering from withdrawal. Why does our brain allow that? And how is it different than loving God? Our ability to love God is the same as loving Tyrion Lannister. Except we (some of us) believe God exists because.. why? We have no evidence, inductive reasoning doesnt really work here.. is it because.. external authorities told us? And many other people believe it too? So its: prefrontal cortex, critical thinking/inductive reasionin AND external validation that makes for the right formula?
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 23, 2022 19:01:26 GMT
Are you familiar with solipsism? There is only one thing each person can know for certain, and that is that they exist. Everything else is induction, including whether or not any other minds exist besides yours. yes. I would like to better understand the mechanism our brains and our "minds" (internal dialogue/thoughts) use to differentiate between reality and fiction. so far we have prefrontal cortex plus critical thinking/ inductive reasoning. I believe there is a treshold of exposure AND other elements though when reached/combined the brain "gives up/switches off/starts confusing the two". I would love to know what that combination is and how far we are from it now et the onset of virtual reality and how do we hold on to it once virtual reality is the norm. And… do we WANT TO hold on to it. Thats maybe even bigger question for me. I would also like to understand how come we are able to develop what feels like a real emotion for a fictitious character. I realize its common but would love to understand the dynamics behind it. We can apply all the critical thinking we want but we still from time to time and some more than others fall in love (or hate) a completely fictitious character. To the point of pining after them, missing them, yearning for them or even suffering from withdrawal. Why does our brain allow that? And how is it different than loving God? Our ability to love God is the same as loving Tyrion Lannister. Except we (some of us) believe God exists because.. why? We have no evidence, inductive reasoning doesnt really work here.. is it because.. external authorities told us? And many other people believe it too? So its: prefrontal cortex, critical thinking/inductive reasionin AND external validation that makes for the right formula? Because movies are a reflection of reality and we are comparing what we see in movies to reality. We relate to the fictional characters because they are a reflection of us.
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Post by Nora on Jan 23, 2022 19:04:26 GMT
yes. I would like to better understand the mechanism our brains and our "minds" (internal dialogue/thoughts) use to differentiate between reality and fiction. so far we have prefrontal cortex plus critical thinking/ inductive reasoning. I believe there is a treshold of exposure AND other elements though when reached/combined the brain "gives up/switches off/starts confusing the two". I would love to know what that combination is and how far we are from it now et the onset of virtual reality and how do we hold on to it once virtual reality is the norm. And… do we WANT TO hold on to it. Thats maybe even bigger question for me. I would also like to understand how come we are able to develop what feels like a real emotion for a fictitious character. I realize its common but would love to understand the dynamics behind it. We can apply all the critical thinking we want but we still from time to time and some more than others fall in love (or hate) a completely fictitious character. To the point of pining after them, missing them, yearning for them or even suffering from withdrawal. Why does our brain allow that? And how is it different than loving God? Our ability to love God is the same as loving Tyrion Lannister. Except we (some of us) believe God exists because.. why? We have no evidence, inductive reasoning doesnt really work here.. is it because.. external authorities told us? And many other people believe it too? So its: prefrontal cortex, critical thinking/inductive reasionin AND external validation that makes for the right formula? Because movies are a reflection of reality and we are comparing what we see in movies to reality. We relate to the fictional characters because they are a reflection of us. so its just narcissism in a way?
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 23, 2022 19:07:17 GMT
I am not a philosopher or scientist obviously, but I have read about this stuff and it is something that interests me. I am not sure if they know exactly what part of the brain is responsible for these things. An are in the prefrontal cortex I think. I am also not exactly sure what you are asking at this point. Like I said, we can never know for certain whether we are in the matrix or not, but we don't need to. We assume that we aren't until there is evidence that points to that we are. I am not even sure what evidence that would be, but it seems like something all of us would know if we saw it. We know fiction isn't real because we know that movies are made by people, we can watch them being made, we can watch them being filmed, we can watch behind the scenes stuff, we see actors promoting the movies etc. This is very strong evidence that this stuff is fiction. If you were a child raised in a room like in the movie Room, and your only contact is telling you that everything that movies are really happening then you wouldn't know they are fiction as long as your captor keeps you locked up. In the case of the aliens in Galaxy Quest, the reason they don't understand that the TV show isn't real is because there is no such thing as TV shows on their planet. There have no context and aren't the smartest aliens in the first place. We use inductive reasoning. We have zero evidence pointing to a place called Mordor existing or ever existing, so that is strong evidence that it is a fictional location. Same with the mythical Atlantis. so it seems to me you are saying that (provided we have whats considered a normal brain) it is critical thinking /inductive reasoning that saves us from confusing reality with fiction. right? how come people with poor critical thinking/ inductive reasoning skills/ abilities dont (I am guessing) confuse reality with fiction then? Even mentally handicapped people whose iq (connected to critical thinking/inductive reasoning i believe) is fairly low (lets say under 90 IQ points) understand tv vs reality. Wouldn't their ability to differentiate decline along with their cognitive skills? (I presume there is a link between IQ and critical thinking/inductive reasoning, we don't know how strong the link is but I presume the link exists) We all have human brains and all human brains will have certain baseline things in common. Someone with a low IQ still has the part of the brain the distinguishes reality from non-reality mostly functioning correctly I would guess. Whereas there can be someone who is extremely intelligent, but whatever part of the brain that is responsible for making that distinction is broken. I can not stress enough how IMDB 2 is not the place to find answers for brain questions as complicated as that. You would need to talk to someone who has spent their lif studying this or reading articles and peer reviewed papers from the experts.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 23, 2022 19:10:47 GMT
Because movies are a reflection of reality and we are comparing what we see in movies to reality. We relate to the fictional characters because they are a reflection of us. so its just narcissism in a way? Maybe ego. Narcissism is different than ego.
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