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Post by shannondegroot on Jan 24, 2022 16:49:38 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 24, 2022 17:07:16 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 24, 2022 17:07:58 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 24, 2022 17:08:18 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 24, 2022 17:08:35 GMT
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shinnickneth
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 24, 2022 19:40:11 GMT
- Benicio del Toro was originally suppose to play Darth Maul, but he dropped out after most of Maul's lines were cut.
- Gary Oldman as General Grevious, but he dropped out due to union issues.
- Leonardo DiCaprio as Anakin Skywalker for Episodes 2-3.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jan 25, 2022 5:00:27 GMT
Episode one will always be better than the force awakens that's all I will say.
Because the sequel trilogy was made by people that understand star warsish things. But that's exactly as far as their understanding goes.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Jan 25, 2022 7:43:07 GMT
Episode one will always be better than the force awakens that's all I will say. Because the sequel trilogy was made by people that understand star warsish things. But that's exactly as far as their understanding goes.  “It’s about generations. It’s about family. It’s a soap opera… a family soap opera… set in space. It’s not about spaceships!” - George Lucas
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 5, 2022 21:34:13 GMT
Episode one will always be better than the force awakens that's all I will say. Because the sequel trilogy was made by people that understand star warsish things. But that's exactly as far as their understanding goes. “It’s about generations. It’s about family. It’s a soap opera… a family soap opera… set in space. It’s not about spaceships!” - George Lucas Actually, it's about toys & how many life size toy props they can introduce. 
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Feb 6, 2022 6:25:10 GMT
Toshiro Mifune was George Lucas's original choice to play Obi-Wan Kenobi. I like Cheech and Chong as "The Droids"! Which one is which?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 7, 2022 13:58:37 GMT
Star Wars 1993 reboot
David Spade as Luke Skywalker
Chevy Chase as Han Solo
Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Princess Leia
George Carlin as Obi-Wan Kenobi
Denis Leary as the Emperor
Jim Carrey as C-3P0
Danny DeVito as R2D2
Slash as Chewbacca
Phil Hartman as Darth Vader
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Feb 9, 2022 9:38:26 GMT
Star Wars 1993 rebootDavid Spade as Luke Skywalker Chevy Chase as Han Solo Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Princess Leia George Carlin as Obi-Wan Kenobi Denis Leary as the Emperor Jim Carrey as C-3P0 Danny DeVito as R2D2 Slash as Chewbacca Phil Hartman as Darth Vader Chevy Chase would have been too old by then (~50). Although of all the famous names supposedly considered for the part back in the day, he's the one I could actually see fitting the role. 
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Mar 16, 2022 22:07:51 GMT
Star Wars 1993 rebootDavid Spade as Luke Skywalker 
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 21, 2022 23:36:31 GMT
Episode one will always be better than the force awakens that's all I will say. Because the sequel trilogy was made by people that understand star warsish things. But that's exactly as far as their understanding goes. I disagree. I think TPM really is the worst SW movie of them all. And worst yet, I think its a totally pointless story. The only, ONLY, significant thing that happens in that movie is that we have Anakin, Obiwan and Padme meet. That's all. You could erase TPM altogether and start with AOTC as Episode 1 and you'd be better off.
TFA not only introduces a whole bunch of new characters, but it also sets up the new scenario of the First Order and New Republic and the Resistance and the Rey/Kylo situation. Though I will admit it was a bit re-hashish in other regards. Why the fuck couldn't they think of a better thing than a Death Star planet?
But TFA also set up some questions that TLJ did NOT answer! I think TLJ is where the ST derails. That where Luke got fucked up. Snoke got fucked up. Finn amounted to nothing. And the Resistance is left in such disarray that I don't know how they thought they could make a good movie after that.
TROS had no chance of being a good movie after that mess.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Apr 22, 2022 5:34:41 GMT
Episode one will always be better than the force awakens that's all I will say. Because the sequel trilogy was made by people that understand star warsish things. But that's exactly as far as their understanding goes. I disagree. I think TPM really is the worst SW movie of them all. And worst yet, I think its a totally pointless story. The only, ONLY, significant thing that happens in that movie is that we have Anakin, Obiwan and Padme meet. That's all. You could erase TPM altogether and start with AOTC as Episode 1 and you'd be better off.
TFA not only introduces a whole bunch of new characters, but it also sets up the new scenario of the First Order and New Republic and the Resistance and the Rey/Kylo situation. Though I will admit it was a bit re-hashish in other regards. Why the fuck couldn't they think of a better thing than a Death Star planet?
But TFA also set up some questions that TLJ did NOT answer! I think TLJ is where the ST derails. That where Luke got fucked up. Snoke got fucked up. Finn amounted to nothing. And the Resistance is left in such disarray that I don't know how they thought they could make a good movie after that.
TROS had no chance of being a good movie after that mess.
We disagree yea. Both episode I and episode VII have different problems with each. In my opinion, I don't know if you agree or not.
What is my question to you is, would you agree that one of the differences between episode I and episode VII, Is that the first one had no forced diversity, but the second one did?
And that the future installments of each one each had no forced diversity in the former, while having forced diversity in the later.
What I'm asking is, would you agree that the prequels had no forced diversity, but the sequel trilogy did?
Would you also agree that, that is a factor in determining which one is better?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 25, 2022 16:00:27 GMT
I disagree. I think TPM really is the worst SW movie of them all. And worst yet, I think its a totally pointless story. The only, ONLY, significant thing that happens in that movie is that we have Anakin, Obiwan and Padme meet. That's all. You could erase TPM altogether and start with AOTC as Episode 1 and you'd be better off.
TFA not only introduces a whole bunch of new characters, but it also sets up the new scenario of the First Order and New Republic and the Resistance and the Rey/Kylo situation. Though I will admit it was a bit re-hashish in other regards. Why the fuck couldn't they think of a better thing than a Death Star planet?
But TFA also set up some questions that TLJ did NOT answer! I think TLJ is where the ST derails. That where Luke got fucked up. Snoke got fucked up. Finn amounted to nothing. And the Resistance is left in such disarray that I don't know how they thought they could make a good movie after that.
TROS had no chance of being a good movie after that mess.
We disagree yea. Both episode I and episode VII have different problems with each. In my opinion, I don't know if you agree or not.
What is my question to you is, would you agree that one of the differences between episode I and episode VII, Is that the first one had no forced diversity, but the second one did?
And that the future installments of each one each had no forced diversity in the former, while having forced diversity in the later.
What I'm asking is, would you agree that the prequels had no forced diversity, but the sequel trilogy did?
Would you also agree that, that is a factor in determining which one is better?
Sorry but again we disagree. The PT didn't really have the chance to include diversity. Anakin, ObiWan and Padme had to be caucasian because the characters there lead to (Luke, Leia and older ObiWan) who are already Caucasian. Also the diversity check mark, if that's what you consider it to be, is fulfilled with both Samuel Jackson and Jimmy Smits. (Also lets not forget Lucas married a black woman, and hired a woman to head Lucasfilm. I don't think he had a problem with diversity.) Funny how when its supporting characters no one has a problem with diversity. But when its the main characters?!!! What?!? A girl is the lead!?! What?!?! A Black guy is the lead?!?! Blasphemy!!! There's absolutely no reason why a female lead and or a black lead should be a problem. NONE! God forbid there should a black female lead! Your head might explode! No, diversity is not an issue for me, and I do not think it was forced, and I do not think that factors into why TFA was a weak movie. Not a factor at all. I don't see why it would be. In order for the movie to be good the main cast has be mainly white male? WTF is that? As I already said, I don't think TFA is nearly as weak a movie as TPM is. TPM is IMO the weakest of all SW movies, and not for reasons of casting, but rather story and pacing; which are far more significant issues than whether or not the lead was female or black.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Apr 25, 2022 19:18:54 GMT
When seeing the prequels, I did not get a sense of forced diversity at all. Because the director, actually did put them in place because it would make the films better. Not because of any quotas.
Which is why, for example in the 3rd one you see a female piloting, and you don't go... well he just put that in for a quota of diversity. Nah, you just accept it.
With all the others, all I could see was a matrix of diversity. It definatily also feels like a matrix of diversity when the old cast dies, han died. Replace him with a minority in the next one. Luke dies, replace him also the same way. They couldn't have made it stand out more if they tried. ONce again I say, a matrix of diversity. What added to that even more was the fact that people from the original cast were in them. So you got two different eras of casting that don't work when put in the same film(s). What do I mean by that? It's just like the special editions, which have practical effects mixed in with cgi. Two different eras of effects, that don't work when put in the same films.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Apr 26, 2022 16:50:01 GMT
Oh , by the way when I said that the director of the prequels put them in the films...
I was in no way implying that the director of the newer ones actually choose what actors to be in those. Obviously that was the company that did that.
I wasn't implying that jj abrahms and rian johnson had any control of who was in their films, unlike the prequels.
I'm not saying that those two people would have hired anyone to fill quotas, if they had the choice to or not to.
I'm not saying that ron howard would choose to hire anyone if it was just to fill a quota either. Except for clint howard.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Apr 26, 2022 16:58:24 GMT
We disagree yea. Both episode I and episode VII have different problems with each. In my opinion, I don't know if you agree or not.
What is my question to you is, would you agree that one of the differences between episode I and episode VII, Is that the first one had no forced diversity, but the second one did?
And that the future installments of each one each had no forced diversity in the former, while having forced diversity in the later.
What I'm asking is, would you agree that the prequels had no forced diversity, but the sequel trilogy did?
Would you also agree that, that is a factor in determining which one is better?
Sorry but again we disagree. The PT didn't really have the chance to include diversity. Anakin, ObiWan and Padme had to be caucasian because the characters there lead to (Luke, Leia and older ObiWan) who are already Caucasian. Also the diversity check mark, if that's what you consider it to be, is fulfilled with both Samuel Jackson and Jimmy Smits. (Also lets not forget Lucas married a black woman, and hired a woman to head Lucasfilm. I don't think he had a problem with diversity.) Funny how when its supporting characters no one has a problem with diversity. But when its the main characters?!!! What?!? A girl is the lead!?! What?!?! A Black guy is the lead?!?! Blasphemy!!! There's absolutely no reason why a female lead and or a black lead should be a problem. NONE! God forbid there should a black female lead! Your head might explode! No, diversity is not an issue for me, and I do not think it was forced, and I do not think that factors into why TFA was a weak movie. Not a factor at all. I don't see why it would be. In order for the movie to be good the main cast has be mainly white male? WTF is that? As I already said, I don't think TFA is nearly as weak a movie as TPM is. TPM is IMO the weakest of all SW movies, and not for reasons of casting, but rather story and pacing; which are far more significant issues than whether or not the lead was female or black. Well the diversity check mark, didn't exist back then. I don't believe so anyway. If it did, it didn't for him since he had creative control.
But the difference is, he actually choose how to use diversity himself if he decided to do that at all.
Which is why it worked so well.
. Unlike directors of today who don't choose it themselves. The company does that. Imo.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 26, 2022 18:05:10 GMT
Sorry but again we disagree. The PT didn't really have the chance to include diversity. Anakin, ObiWan and Padme had to be caucasian because the characters there lead to (Luke, Leia and older ObiWan) who are already Caucasian. Also the diversity check mark, if that's what you consider it to be, is fulfilled with both Samuel Jackson and Jimmy Smits. (Also lets not forget Lucas married a black woman, and hired a woman to head Lucasfilm. I don't think he had a problem with diversity.) Funny how when its supporting characters no one has a problem with diversity. But when its the main characters?!!! What?!? A girl is the lead!?! What?!?! A Black guy is the lead?!?! Blasphemy!!! There's absolutely no reason why a female lead and or a black lead should be a problem. NONE! God forbid there should a black female lead! Your head might explode! No, diversity is not an issue for me, and I do not think it was forced, and I do not think that factors into why TFA was a weak movie. Not a factor at all. I don't see why it would be. In order for the movie to be good the main cast has be mainly white male? WTF is that? As I already said, I don't think TFA is nearly as weak a movie as TPM is. TPM is IMO the weakest of all SW movies, and not for reasons of casting, but rather story and pacing; which are far more significant issues than whether or not the lead was female or black. Well the diversity check mark, didn't exist back then. I don't believe so anyway. If it did, it didn't for him since he had creative control.
But the difference is, he actually choose how to use diversity himself if he decided to do that at all.
Which is why it worked so well.
. Unlike directors of today who don't choose it themselves. The company does that. Imo.
And that might be absolutely true. But why would it bother you unless you had a problem with women and black people? Stop to think about that. What difference does it really make outside of that? It a non issue that they want to give other types of people a chance.
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