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Post by mszanadu on May 22, 2017 22:59:15 GMT
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Post by mikef6 on May 23, 2017 2:37:58 GMT
Gioachino Rossini
La Cenerentola Il Barbiere Di Siviglia L'Italiana In Algeri
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Post by Sulla on May 24, 2017 20:01:11 GMT
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Post by mszanadu on May 25, 2017 17:45:08 GMT
Thanks so much mikef6 and Sulla for these wonderful recommendations here  . IMPO - What I have always found completely fascinating about all these fine imaginative gentlemen and their memorable music/compositions . It's that even though for it's time their work seemed very modern yet when it's played especially in this age it mostly feels timeless as if it always existed  . I believe that is what has made these classical works so enjoyable for so many years and even now  .
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Post by deembastille on Jun 6, 2017 23:18:14 GMT
TRISH TRASH POLKA. FREAKING FUN. strauss.
sidesaddle by Russ Conway [he counts as a past great composer as he did write this song]
Gabriel faure Pelléas et Mélisande OPERA 80-4 [SICILIENNE]
THE NUTCRACKER CHOCOLATE SONG.
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Post by mszanadu on Jun 7, 2017 23:07:58 GMT
TRISH TRASH POLKA. FREAKING FUN. strauss. sidesaddle by Russ Conway [he counts as a past great composer as he did write this song] Gabriel faure Pelléas et Mélisande OPERA 80-4 [SICILIENNE] THE NUTCRACKER CHOCOLATE SONG. Another excellent selection here thanks so much deembastille for sharing this one too  .
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Post by general313 on Jun 7, 2017 23:57:21 GMT
To that I'll add these Rosamunde excerpts.
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Post by mszanadu on Jun 12, 2017 17:04:14 GMT
To that I'll add these Rosamunde excerpts. Thanks so much cham313 for these wonderful selections too  .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 0:36:54 GMT
Jean Sibelius
2nd Symphony En Saga 7th Symphony
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Post by jillresurrected on Oct 8, 2017 15:29:06 GMT
I have always been extremely partial to this German. His music, his personality and his fate. 'ROCKSTAR'! Especially the second movement always breaks my heart. From 16:34 on. This is all humor and fun: For general313 , DrKrippen , Eva Yojimbo , flash321 , Karl Aksel Sulla and everybody else who appreciates and can bare this much beauty.
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Post by DrKrippen on Oct 8, 2017 16:21:51 GMT
Lots of great stuff on here.
My pick.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 27, 2017 13:58:09 GMT
Arnold Schoenberg
1. Chamber Symphony No.1
Tonality and expression seem to be bursting at the bounds here and the restlessness is reaching out to what happened next. The result is like a boiling kettle waiting to whistle and very dramatic.
2. Orchestral Variations
12-tone action in a set of variations which rank among the greatest of their times, imho. Karajan's notable version is a good starter, as he is able to make plain Schoenberg's indebtedness to the romantic tradition he was, in effect, still part of.
3. Arrangements of Mahler songs (recently appeared on Naxos)
Mahler's great song cycles derive a good deal of impact from the composer's characteristic lush yet sombre orchestration. Here AS's very effective and enjoyable reductions (in what I think are his best arrangements) show another master at work.
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Post by ellynmacg on Nov 18, 2017 21:20:42 GMT
About time to go across the channel, I think.
Ralph Vaughan Williams
1. Fantasia on Greensleeves
2. English Folk Song Suite
3. Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Honorable Mention: The Lark Ascending (I really wanted to put that in a tie with #3, but I wasn't sure if that was allowed. Come to think of it, I'm not sure this is allowed, but what the hey.)
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Post by general313 on Dec 16, 2017 21:47:04 GMT
I find the music of Parsifal breathtakingly beautiful, right there at the top of Wagner's output. It's the drama that doesn't really grab me, too religious. Storywise I prefer the pagan operas like the Ring and Tristan und Isolde. For me Parsifal is best enjoyed by listening to audio only recordings.Parsifal isn't religious, it just liberally utilizes religious symbolism (not unlike my beloved Neon Genesis Evangelion). It was probably Wagner's most coherent representation of the philosophy he adopted from Schopenhauer. Wagner himself had the most enlightening comment on his views of religion and art: "When religion becomes artificial, art has a duty to rescue it. Art can show that the symbols which religions would have us believe literally true are actually figurative. Art can idealize those symbols, and so reveal the profound truths they contain." It's a very Blakean/Jungian/Stevensian perspective. Really, Tannhauser and Parsifal are philosophical mirrors of each other. If you want to see a visually interesting Parsifal, try Syberberg's film. It is a movie rather than a stage performance, but it's definitely fascinating and provocative visually. I don't see how a work that "liberally utilizes religious symbolism" can be seen as non-religious. It could be argued to be an unorthodox interpretation with its blending of Christianity and Buddhism, but it still is a heavy handed and preachy narrative. The Guardian has an interesting article on this: The Parsifal Problem
I have a copy of the Syberberg film, which I do like overall even though some of the acting is a bit lame, and I'm not really a fan of the middle act actor substitution of Parsifal.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 17, 2017 3:48:08 GMT
Parsifal isn't religious, it just liberally utilizes religious symbolism (not unlike my beloved Neon Genesis Evangelion). It was probably Wagner's most coherent representation of the philosophy he adopted from Schopenhauer. Wagner himself had the most enlightening comment on his views of religion and art: "When religion becomes artificial, art has a duty to rescue it. Art can show that the symbols which religions would have us believe literally true are actually figurative. Art can idealize those symbols, and so reveal the profound truths they contain." It's a very Blakean/Jungian/Stevensian perspective. Really, Tannhauser and Parsifal are philosophical mirrors of each other. If you want to see a visually interesting Parsifal, try Syberberg's film. It is a movie rather than a stage performance, but it's definitely fascinating and provocative visually. I don't see how a work that "liberally utilizes religious symbolism" can be seen as non-religious. It could be argued to be an unorthodox interpretation with its blending of Christianity and Buddhism, but it still is a heavy handed and preachy narrative. The Guardian has an interesting article on this: The Parsifal ProblemBecause there are universal themes within religions that aren't uniquely religious in nature. To use Evangelion as an example, its use of the cross does symbolize sacrifice, death and rebirth; but it removes the "Jesus, son of God, died for our sins" aspect. Parsifal is pretty much the same. Schopenhauer and Wagner were both atheists, but they both adopted a Buddhist-like philosophy on life, where human will lead to suffering and the way out of the cycle of suffering was through the negation of the will, which is why Schopenhauer came to admire the asceticism of monks. He also thought art was more effective than philosophy or logic in this negation because it could provoke meditation on the nature of life, which in itself is a type of negation. Religions often naturally foster a similar perspective in which earthly will is negated by meditating on the universal and eternal, even if the nature of the "universal and eternal" differs among religions. One way they do this IS through art, through stories, parables, allegories and symbols that reinforce those ideas. Take away the "son of God" aspect and the story of Jesus is basically about a man who negates his own will and teaches others to do the same before he's killed by those of the world being negated, and by those who were supposed to be the representatives of the life/philosophy he was teaching and living, but had really just become corrupted by the will/world themselves. Parsifal is very much about that world where religious symbols have become atrophied and the representatives of that philosophy have been corrupted by the world. Parsifal is the redeemer precisely because he ventures out into the world and becomes empathetic with the suffering it entails. But Parsifal isn't a god-figure redeeming man through his sacrifice; he's more representative of the artist who redeems the value and power of the symbols (and rituals) that were supposed to remind us of these truths and provoke that same empathy. He's very much the "Middle Way" between the sensually indulgent will to life and the ascetically abstract negation of that will. These themes are pretty much encoded into both the music and dramaturgy. I've read that Guardian piece before, but it's nothing more than a shallow op-ed. The author may have been confused by Parsifal (many were, and still are), but Parsifal is not a "a confusion of Christian and Buddhist themes." The only confusion is in the fact that people can't seem to see past the religious symbolism to the non-religious themes underneath, which is perhaps appropriate since that failure seems to be one of the opera's themes.
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Post by general313 on Dec 17, 2017 20:48:53 GMT
I don't see how a work that "liberally utilizes religious symbolism" can be seen as non-religious. It could be argued to be an unorthodox interpretation with its blending of Christianity and Buddhism, but it still is a heavy handed and preachy narrative. The Guardian has an interesting article on this: The Parsifal Problem Because there are universal themes within religions that aren't uniquely religious in nature. To use Evangelion as an example, its use of the cross does symbolize sacrifice, death and rebirth; but it removes the "Jesus, son of God, died for our sins" aspect. Parsifal is pretty much the same. Schopenhauer and Wagner were both atheists, but they both adopted a Buddhist-like philosophy on life, where human will lead to suffering and the way out of the cycle of suffering was through the negation of the will, which is why Schopenhauer came to admire the asceticism of monks. He also thought art was more effective than philosophy or logic in this negation because it could provoke meditation on the nature of life, which in itself is a type of negation. Religions often naturally foster a similar perspective in which earthly will is negated by meditating on the universal and eternal, even if the nature of the "universal and eternal" differs among religions. One way they do this IS through art, through stories, parables, allegories and symbols that reinforce those ideas. Take away the "son of God" aspect and the story of Jesus is basically about a man who negates his own will and teaches others to do the same before he's killed by those of the world being negated, and by those who were supposed to be the representatives of the life/philosophy he was teaching and living, but had really just become corrupted by the will/world themselves. Parsifal is very much about that world where religious symbols have become atrophied and the representatives of that philosophy have been corrupted by the world. Parsifal is the redeemer precisely because he ventures out into the world and becomes empathetic with the suffering it entails. But Parsifal isn't a god-figure redeeming man through his sacrifice; he's more representative of the artist who redeems the value and power of the symbols (and rituals) that were supposed to remind us of these truths and provoke that same empathy. He's very much the "Middle Way" between the sensually indulgent will to life and the ascetically abstract negation of that will. These themes are pretty much encoded into both the music and dramaturgy. I've read that Guardian piece before, but it's nothing more than a shallow op-ed. The author may have been confused by Parsifal (many were, and still are), but Parsifal is not a "a confusion of Christian and Buddhist themes." The only confusion is in the fact that people can't seem to see past the religious symbolism to the non-religious themes underneath, which is perhaps appropriate since that failure seems to be one of the opera's themes. It is an interesting point you make about the religious symbolism in Parsifal being used for a message about artistic redemption. I haven't thought of it that way, will have to ponder that idea some more. Regardless of whether Wagner was an atheist or not (I suspect that he may have become more religious toward the end of his life, maybe because of the influence of Cosima), I still find the work very turgid and preachy. Perhaps I lack the intellect and/or patience to get past that. I'm with the author of the Guardian piece: "Give me Tristan and Isolde any day". I have thought about checking out Evangelion one of these days, but if it is as cloaked in religious symbolism (and missing the sensuous Wagner music) as Parsifal, I wonder if I'd like it much. I am a big fan of Miyazaki's work. How would you compare and contrast those?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 19, 2017 1:48:41 GMT
To continue the discussion of religion in Wagner, I feel compelled to mention that most of Wagner's mature operas contain religious symbolism and/or references. Dutchman's character is a reference to the Wandering Jew. Tannhauser is obviously Pagan in nature (and, as I mentioned earlier, is basically the mirror image of Parsifal)*. Lohengrin's tale was originally included in von Eschenbach Parzival, and is a retelling of the classic religious fable of a god falling in love with a human. The religious symbols/references in The Ring are too numerous to mention, but they should be rather obvious. Only Tristan & Isolde and Die Meistersinger are relatively free of any religious element. So to single out Parsifal seems rather strange when it's clear that Wagner had a career-long obsession with religious-based stories, even if they were different elements of different religions.
*Just to elaborate on this, in both Tannhauser and Parsifal you have a character in conflict with two different worlds: the human and the mythical. In Tannhauser, the love (more lust) of the mythical world is the trap that pulls Tannhauser away from his devotions in the real world; while in Parsifal it's the love (more lust) in the human world that's the trap that tries to pull Parsifal away from the devotion of the mythical world. In Tannhauser it's the God (Venus) who's the temptress luring the hero away from the path of human righteousness, while in Parsifal it's the human/magician who's the tempter luring the hero away from the path of godly righteousness. Wagner merely swapped the "path of righteousness" and the world in which the tempter belonged to. You can even see this change as early as Tristan, in which the love of T&I is treated as divine, something itself in conflict with the world of human devotions; though in T&I Wagner is more sympathetic with both worlds (as rapturous as T&I's love duet is, King Marke's lament at Tristan's betrayal is one of the opera's most heartbreaking moments).
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Post by alfromni on Jan 8, 2018 1:28:46 GMT
My favourites.
W. A.Mozart - Le nozze di Figaro, Cosi Fan Tutti, Die Entführung aus dem Serail, Don Giovanni. Not so fond of Die Zauberflöte.
Handel - Giulio Cesare, Serse
Pergolesi - La serva padrona (opera-buffa)
And the operettas of Gilbert and Sullivan, Edward German...not forgetting Franz Lehar's The Merry Widow
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