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Post by hi224 on Feb 6, 2022 12:32:10 GMT
I'm basically thinking a case where a person was wrongfully convicted and accused.
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Post by clusium on Feb 6, 2022 18:05:10 GMT
I'm basically thinking a case where a person was wrongfully convicted and accused. Guy Paul Morin is a huge one, because he was originally acquitted, but, then the Crown (Prosecutors in Canada) appealed the man's acquittal so that he could be retried. Years later, he was & was found guilty at the second trial, & sent to prison. When DNA evidence was finally introduced, Morin was proved innocent once & for all. In 2020, the real culprit had finally been discovered (through ancestral DNA). However, he had already committed suicide a few years earlier. Guy Paul Morin
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Post by clusium on Feb 7, 2022 0:16:54 GMT
I'm basically thinking a case where a person was wrongfully convicted and accused. Guy Paul Morin is a huge one, because he was originally acquitted, but, then the Crown (Prosecutors in Canada) appealed the man's acquittal so that he could be retried. Years later, he was & was found guilty at the second trial, & sent to prison. When DNA evidence was finally introduced, Morin was proved innocent once & for all. In 2020, the real culprit had finally been discovered (through ancestral DNA). However, he had already committed suicide a few years earlier. Guy Paul Morin I should have added that if the Judicial system let Morin go after his original trial (as they should have done), the chances are, the real guy would have eventually been caught eventually, long before he could take "the easy way out."
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Post by clusium on Feb 8, 2022 3:45:15 GMT
Guy Paul Morin is a huge one, because he was originally acquitted, but, then the Crown (Prosecutors in Canada) appealed the man's acquittal so that he could be retried. Years later, he was & was found guilty at the second trial, & sent to prison. When DNA evidence was finally introduced, Morin was proved innocent once & for all. In 2020, the real culprit had finally been discovered (through ancestral DNA). However, he had already committed suicide a few years earlier. Guy Paul MorinThat would be double jeopardy in the U.S. It's stories like these which make me thankful I live in the U.S.
I'd like to see Rittenhouse retried by the feds on civil rights charges though.
Did I ever tell you guys about Steven Truscott. The 14-year-old boy who was wrongly convicted of murdering his classmate, & was almost sent to the noose?
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Post by clusium on Feb 8, 2022 4:06:22 GMT
That would be double jeopardy in the U.S. It's stories like these which make me thankful I live in the U.S.
I'd like to see Rittenhouse retried by the feds on civil rights charges though.
Did I ever tell you guys about Steven Truscott. The 14-year-old boy who was wrongly convicted of murdering his classmate, & was almost sent to the noose? By the time he was finally declared innocent, he was 62 years old. Fortunately, he was paroled after 10 years & was able to marry & have a family. Otherwise, the tragedy would have been even worse than it was. I actually had the pleasure of meeting this man. He is very nice. Steven Truscott
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Post by clusium on Feb 8, 2022 5:26:39 GMT
By the time he was finally declared innocent, he was 62 years old. Fortunately, he was paroled after 10 years & was able to marry & have a family. Otherwise, the tragedy would have been even worse than it was. I actually had the pleasure of meeting this man. He is very nice. Steven TruscottI had never heard that before. It's a horrible tragedy of legal injustice.
Are you Canadian, Clusium?
In the U.S. we have a double jeopardy clause that once a person is found innocent they can not be retried. That was circumvented in the case of Rodney King when the feds retried officers acquitted under state law. But the feds brought new charges based on violation of King's civil rights.
Yeah, I'm Canadian. Both Truscott & Morin are Canadian cases.
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Post by clusium on Feb 8, 2022 5:29:20 GMT
By the time he was finally declared innocent, he was 62 years old. Fortunately, he was paroled after 10 years & was able to marry & have a family. Otherwise, the tragedy would have been even worse than it was. I actually had the pleasure of meeting this man. He is very nice. Steven TruscottI had never heard that before. It's a horrible tragedy of legal injustice.
Are you Canadian, Clusium?
In the U.S. we have a double jeopardy clause that once a person is found innocent they can not be retried. That was circumvented in the case of Rodney King when the feds retried officers acquitted under state law. But the feds brought new charges based on violation of King's civil rights.
When the case that Morin was wrongly convicted of, was finally solved through ancestral DNA, I thought that the case that Truscott could be too. However, the man who researched into the Truscott case (which helped exonerate him), told me no; Lynn Harper's clothing had all been since destroyed, hence any possible DNA left on her clothing from her killer, would be gone.
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Post by clusium on Feb 8, 2022 7:13:02 GMT
When the case that Morin was wrongly convicted of, was finally solved through ancestral DNA, I thought that the case that Truscott could be too. However, the man who researched into the Truscott case (which helped exonerate him), told me no; Lynn Harper's clothing had all been since destroyed, hence any possible DNA left on her clothing from her killer, would be gone. It's difficult to imagine the terror of a 14-year-old kid put through that ordeal.
But I'm a bit surprised at the ease at which a little girl would hitchhike back then as well.
Hitchhiking was far more common back then. It is precisely because of harrowing stories of people ending up being abducting, as a result of hitchhiking that it eventually became a very scarce practice, that it is today.
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Post by clusium on Feb 8, 2022 17:39:20 GMT
When the case that Morin was wrongly convicted of, was finally solved through ancestral DNA, I thought that the case that Truscott could be too. However, the man who researched into the Truscott case (which helped exonerate him), told me no; Lynn Harper's clothing had all been since destroyed, hence any possible DNA left on her clothing from her killer, would be gone. It's difficult to imagine the terror of a 14-year-old kid put through that ordeal.
But I'm a bit surprised at the ease at which a little girl would hitchhike back then as well.
Have you ever heard of these 2 stories before Gameboy (even though you live in the US)?
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Post by clusium on Feb 8, 2022 20:43:24 GMT
Have you ever heard of these 2 stories before Gameboy (even though you live in the US)? No, I've never heard about them. I've heard of the Homolka couple of course. I'm surprised Canada has so much murder. Why would you be surprised about that? Name me a place that has no murderers.
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Post by clusium on Feb 9, 2022 0:41:41 GMT
Why would you be surprised about that? Name me a place that has no murderers. I mean we all know the U.S. is full of all sorts bizarre behavior. You expect it here. I just assumed Canada was less densely populated, less crime, not much social tension, and safer. According to Wikipedia, we currently have a population of about 38,436,447 living here in Canada. I can assure you can get a few sick puppies in a crowd of people like that. I knew somebody who had been murdered, myself. Her killer has to date, never been caught. As a matter of fact Gameboy, being a practicing gay man yourself, we just had a story right here in Toronto!!! There was a serial killer that had been targeting gay men in the LGBT district of the Toronto area. Most of the victims had been immigrants from other countries. The perp was a landscaper, & was burying his victims in various places that he had been working in. He finally got caught when he murdered a prominent member of the gay community. That was when Toronto police got their radar on, & started looking into the cases of the missing gay men in the Toronto area. The perpetrator was a senior citizen who, among other things, was volunteered as a mall Santa Claus!!!
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Post by clusium on Feb 9, 2022 3:23:04 GMT
According to Wikipedia, we currently have a population of about 38,436,447 living here in Canada. I can assure you can get a few puppies in a crowd of people like that. I knew somebody who had been murdered, myself. Her killer has to date, never been caught. As a matter of fact Gameboy, being a practicing gay man yourself, we just had a story right here in Toronto!!! There was a serial killer that had been targeting gay men in the LGBT district of the Toronto area. Most of the victims had been immigrants from other countries. The perp was a landscaper, & was burying his victims in various places that he had been working in. He finally got caught when he murdered a prominent member of the gay community. That was when Toronto police got their radar on, & started looking into the cases of the missing gay men in the Toronto area. The perpetrator was a senior citizen who, among other things, was volunteered as a mall Santa Claus!!! Clusium, I'm not practicing to be a gay man anymore. I got it down pat. 
Culturally in many ways Canada and the U.S. are very much the same. We hear about the big cases, like Dahmer and Gacy, but there are obviously thousands more serial killers than we know.
Did you ever hear about the case that I just told you about?
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Post by clusium on Feb 9, 2022 4:03:58 GMT
Did you ever hear about the case that I just told you about? No. I'm just surprised there are so many serial murders that never make the news. Believe me. He made the news (once he was caught).
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 12, 2022 3:36:01 GMT
Did you ever hear about the case that I just told you about? No. I'm just surprised there are so many serial murders that never make the news.
Where would they find the time to report them around 'Russia Russia Russia!' and now 'Covid covid covid'?
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 12, 2022 3:37:03 GMT
Why would you be surprised about that? Name me a place that has no murderers. I mean we all know the U.S. is full of all sorts bizarre behavior. You expect it here. I just assumed Canada was less densely populated, less crime, not much social tension, and safer.
That's the thing, less people, less attention, more room for the killers to hide out. Probably a lot more unpopulated areas to dump bodies as well.
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Post by clusium on Feb 12, 2022 4:24:56 GMT
I mean we all know the U.S. is full of all sorts bizarre behavior. You expect it here. I just assumed Canada was less densely populated, less crime, not much social tension, and safer.
That's the thing, less people, less attention, more room for the killers to hide out. Probably a lot more unpopulated areas to dump bodies as well.
Canada is not exactly the secluded, backwater country in the North, that Americans very often take us for. It is actually the second largest country in the entire world, after Russia. We currently have almost 40,000,000 people in this country.
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 12, 2022 4:44:04 GMT
That's the thing, less people, less attention, more room for the killers to hide out. Probably a lot more unpopulated areas to dump bodies as well.
Canada is not exactly the secluded, backwater country in the North, that Americans very often take us for. It is actually the second largest country in the entire world, after Russia. We currently have almost 40,000,000 people in this country.
Yeah but that's still about 1/10th the population America has in roughly the same amount of real estate.
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Post by clusium on Feb 12, 2022 5:22:55 GMT
Canada is not exactly the secluded, backwater country in the North, that Americans very often take us for. It is actually the second largest country in the entire world, after Russia. We currently have almost 40,000,000 people in this country.
Yeah but that's still about 1/10th the population America has in roughly the same amount of real estate.
I do not dispute that. Still enough to have the sick puppy, here & there.
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 12, 2022 5:35:23 GMT
Yeah but that's still about 1/10th the population America has in roughly the same amount of real estate.
I do not dispute that. Still enough to have the sick puppy, here & there.
Truth be told probably more than that since they know they won't get the death penalty no matter what.
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Post by clusium on Feb 12, 2022 6:41:35 GMT
I do not dispute that. Still enough to have the sick puppy, here & there.
Truth be told probably more than that since they know they won't get the death penalty no matter what.
They still go to prison for life (unless they get some sort of sweet-heart deal, like Karla Homolka did, after helping her first husband (that's right - *FIRST HUSBAND*: after her release from prison, she went on to remarry & actually have kids of her own) kill her little sister & 2 other girls).
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