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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 4, 2022 22:03:05 GMT
Movie is out! Feel free to discuss it here without worrying about spoiling it for others.
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Post by merh on Mar 4, 2022 22:28:37 GMT
Bruce treats Alfred horribly when Alfred solved the Riddler puzzles/hieroglyphics
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 22:46:13 GMT
I’m unsure about this new Joker. Kind of wish they’d give that character a rest.
I like that Riddler appears likely to return though. Maybe we’ll see the BOWLER HAT™️
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 4, 2022 23:08:40 GMT
I like that they sort of made Batman's backstory "multiple choice" like Joker's.
Speaking of Joker, that scene was all kinds of goofy. I like Keoghan so hopefully he turns that around.
Anyone reckon the next one will be pretty much No Man's Land? Devestated city, bunch of villains vying in the power vacuum left by Falcone.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 4, 2022 23:51:18 GMT
My biggest concern going into the movie was that they would go the Telltale approach of making Thomas and Martha Wayne corrupt. I always felt that doing that sort of changes the whole context for why Batman exists. Instead of becoming Batman to ensure that no child experiences what he did, he’s essentially just cleaning up a mess that his parents contributed to. I suppose the fact that the movie sort of tries to have it both ways (Thomas Wayne made a mistake, but he only did so to protect his family, and was horrified that someone was killed as a result of it) is an acceptable compromise. With that said, I’m not sure how to feel about the movie suggesting that they may have been killed as part of a hit. I do at least appreciate that they avoid confirming it outright.
As I expected, the movie also takes some clear inspiration from the Earth One comic line, although Alfred and Gordon feel more like afterthoughts here. We don’t even get a ton of scenes between Bruce and Alfred, but since he spends a large chunk of the film as Batman, that was inevitable.
Despite some issues with the third act, the ending leaves plenty of possibilities open for the future. Bruce Wayne goes through a definitive character arc in this film, with an ending that suggests he’s going to be more of a traditional hero in the next movie. I just hope they don’t make the Joker a major antagonist. We’ve seen more than enough from him.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 5, 2022 0:18:51 GMT
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 5, 2022 0:34:42 GMT
My biggest concern going into the movie was that they would go the Telltale approach of making Thomas and Martha Wayne corrupt. I always felt that doing that sort of changes the whole context for why Batman exists. Instead of becoming Batman to ensure that no child experiences what he did, he’s essentially just cleaning up a mess that his parents contributed to. I suppose the fact that the movie sort of tries to have it both ways (Thomas Wayne made a mistake, but he only did so to protect his family, and was horrified that someone was killed as a result of it) is an acceptable compromise. With that said, I’m not sure how to feel about the movie suggesting that they may have been killed as part of a hit. I do at least appreciate that they avoid confirming it outright. As I expected, the movie also takes some clear inspiration from the Earth One comic line, although Alfred and Gordon feel more like afterthoughts here. We don’t even get a ton of scenes between Bruce and Alfred, but since he spends a large chunk of the film as Batman, that was inevitable. Well, Thomas Wayne's death being a hit has been floated around in the comics. In the original line(?) it was on the orders of a mobster named Lew Moxon. Like I said, I think they treated it in a fairly ambiguous way and I like the mirroring of Joker. As far as his charterization goes, I think his greyer portrayals lately are modern sensibilities at play. I guess a saintly billionaire just doesn't seem believable anymore. I haven't read the third Earth One but I liked the first two. If they have to do Two-Face again, I wouldn't mind the female version.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 5, 2022 0:40:36 GMT
He and Bruce Wayne are first cousins?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 5, 2022 1:07:04 GMT
My biggest concern going into the movie was that they would go the Telltale approach of making Thomas and Martha Wayne corrupt. I always felt that doing that sort of changes the whole context for why Batman exists. Instead of becoming Batman to ensure that no child experiences what he did, he’s essentially just cleaning up a mess that his parents contributed to. I suppose the fact that the movie sort of tries to have it both ways (Thomas Wayne made a mistake, but he only did so to protect his family, and was horrified that someone was killed as a result of it) is an acceptable compromise. With that said, I’m not sure how to feel about the movie suggesting that they may have been killed as part of a hit. I do at least appreciate that they avoid confirming it outright. As I expected, the movie also takes some clear inspiration from the Earth One comic line, although Alfred and Gordon feel more like afterthoughts here. We don’t even get a ton of scenes between Bruce and Alfred, but since he spends a large chunk of the film as Batman, that was inevitable. Well, Thomas Wayne's death being a hit has been floated around in the comics. In the original line(?) it was on the orders of a mobster named Lew Moxon. Like I said, I think they treated it in a fairly ambiguous way and I like the mirroring of Joker. As far as his charterization goes, I think his greyer portrayals lately are modern sensibilities at play. I guess a saintly billionaire just doesn't seem believable anymore. I haven't read the third Earth One but I liked the first two. If they have to do Two-Face again, I wouldn't mind the female version. I know there’s precedent for the idea that it was a hit, but I’m just not a fan of it. It’s not as bad as when Marvel established that Peter Parker’s parents were S.H.I.E.L.D agents, but it runs into the problem of making it seem like Bruce becoming Batman was fate, rather than a random occurrence that highlights how dangerous Gotham is. Still, like I said, I at least appreciate that the movie avoids giving any real confirmation that it was a hit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 2:07:20 GMT
What was going on with Joker’s appearance? It was hard to see but he appeared to be missing half of his face or something. That would make Two Face a bit redundant if he appears too.
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Post by Jason143 on Mar 5, 2022 4:24:51 GMT
Didnt like it. All the characters in the movie are 1 dimensional and flat, especially Gordon and Bruce. No humor or levity. Plot is full on, heavy handed and constant. The story didnt justify a 3 hr runtime. The final climax is very underwhelming. Batmans basically fighting internet degenerate losers who got inspired by Riddler. And in the midst of a flood. Just very bizzare way to end a Batman movie.
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Post by pennypacker on Mar 5, 2022 4:33:42 GMT
Not a spoiler but it’s annoying and hilarious that some of my friends won’t watch this because “sparkly vampire”. 🙄
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Post by Downey on Mar 5, 2022 15:52:29 GMT
My biggest concern going into the movie was that they would go the Telltale approach of making Thomas and Martha Wayne corrupt. I always felt that doing that sort of changes the whole context for why Batman exists. Instead of becoming Batman to ensure that no child experiences what he did, he’s essentially just cleaning up a mess that his parents contributed to. I suppose the fact that the movie sort of tries to have it both ways (Thomas Wayne made a mistake, but he only did so to protect his family, and was horrified that someone was killed as a result of it) is an acceptable compromise. With that said, I’m not sure how to feel about the movie suggesting that they may have been killed as part of a hit. I do at least appreciate that they avoid confirming it outright. As I expected, the movie also takes some clear inspiration from the Earth One comic line, although Alfred and Gordon feel more like afterthoughts here. We don’t even get a ton of scenes between Bruce and Alfred, but since he spends a large chunk of the film as Batman, that was inevitable. Well, Thomas Wayne's death being a hit has been floated around in the comics. In the original line(?) it was on the orders of a mobster named Lew Moxon. Like I said, I think they treated it in a fairly ambiguous way and I like the mirroring of Joker. As far as his charterization goes, I think his greyer portrayals lately are modern sensibilities at play. I guess a saintly billionaire just doesn't seem believable anymore. I haven't read the third Earth One but I liked the first two. If they have to do Two-Face again, I wouldn't mind the female version. A saintly billionaire is only unbelievable to those unable to put the hard work and creativity into their work lazy people. Glad you enjoyed the movie though.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 5, 2022 20:02:03 GMT
What was going on with Joker’s appearance? It was hard to see but he appeared to be missing half of his face or something. That would make Two Face a bit redundant if he appears too. There's some storyline in the comics where Joker had his face cut off and then put back on. I guess looking like a clown wasn't creepy enough. Speaking of configuring comic characters, did anyone notice they basically turned Catwoman into Huntress?
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Post by merh on Mar 5, 2022 22:45:46 GMT
What was going on with Joker’s appearance? It was hard to see but he appeared to be missing half of his face or something. That would make Two Face a bit redundant if he appears too. There's some storyline in the comics where Joker had his face cut off and then put back on. I guess looking like a clown wasn't creepy enough. Speaking of configuring comic characters, did anyone notice they basically turned Catwoman into Huntress? She felt similar to her last appearance played by Hathaway. I prefer the Michelle Pfeiffer/Julie Newmar more self assured Catwoman.
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Post by merh on Mar 5, 2022 22:49:32 GMT
I’m unsure about this new Joker. Kind of wish they’d give that character a rest. I like that Riddler appears likely to return though. Maybe we’ll see the BOWLER HAT™️ I'm still not sure on Joker. It was a small bit, but he has been used to death. I was trying to figure out if they were broad brushing him in the clip to be sure we knew who he was. There are lots of villains that could be used
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 5, 2022 23:36:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 23:52:20 GMT
There's some storyline in the comics where Joker had his face cut off and then put back on. I guess looking like a clown wasn't creepy enough. Speaking of configuring comic characters, did anyone notice they basically turned Catwoman into Huntress? She felt similar to her last appearance played by Hathaway. I prefer the Michelle Pfeiffer/Julie Newmar more self assured Catwoman. Michelle Pfieffer will always be the best in my book. Though Hathaway and Kravitz are more comic accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 23:53:30 GMT
I’m unsure about this new Joker. Kind of wish they’d give that character a rest. I like that Riddler appears likely to return though. Maybe we’ll see the BOWLER HAT™️ I'm still not sure on Joker. It was a small bit, but he has been used to death. I was trying to figure out if they were broad brushing him in the clip to be sure we knew who he was. There are lots of villains that could be used They very deliberately had him mention the word “clown”. If I didn’t know any better I would’ve thought it was Two Face based on his appearance.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Mar 6, 2022 2:36:55 GMT
I maybe gonna see this, because unlike Dune 2021, it doesn't seem like it is a wokefest. I could be wrong. Maybe it's a dumb reason but that's why I didn't see dune 2021.
But what I need to do is read articles from this director that made it, because i did that for dune 2021 and found out it was a wokefest.
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