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Post by politicidal on Mar 24, 2022 19:11:38 GMT
Was about to post this in its own thread. Personally I hate this Joker. He’s literally just imitating Heath Ledger. Some of the dialogue is even similar: Ahead of the curve, you’re too much fun. Makes me wish Heath could’ve survived to make this exact scene in TDKR instead. Also, I really HATE this look. Worst Joker design I’ve ever seen. Glad it was cut. I hope he isn’t the main villain in the sequel. Nah it'll be his new girl Punchline trying to bust him out.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 24, 2022 19:29:37 GMT
Would be cool if he was only used like this though. Kind of like Clarice asking Hannibal Lector for advice.
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Post by pennypacker on Mar 24, 2022 19:42:44 GMT
I kinda like it.
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Post by moviemeisters on Apr 1, 2022 15:11:17 GMT
So I’ve seen The Batman twice. First time around I thought it was great. I liked that they emphasized the detective aspect of Batman and portraying the Riddler as a Zodiac Killer type worked pretty well! I liked the organized crime/corruption aspect of Gotham (though I think Nolan handled it better). The bait and switch of it seeming like Riddler knew Batman’s identity was great. The acting was solid all around and the action scenes carried the proper weight to them (seemed like Batman was in actual danger at times). I knew there were flaws (the Thomas Wayne subplot being resolved immediately after it’s established and the last act being lackluster and out-of-place), but they didn’t bother me too much.
The movie did go down in my estimation the second time around. Knowing where the plot was going made certain scenes drag A LOT. My friend pointed out that the opening would have been so much better without the narration and I agree. Batman lacked the sneakiness/cleverness of other versions (knocking on the door to be let in the club instead of doing something stealthy). The detective aspect made me dislike when the film deviated from it (I wanted more). I hated the use of the Nirvana song (overplayed the emo aspect of Bruce Wayne without providing any sense of levity in the characterization). One scene I actually liked better was the funeral/DA bomb scene. That was very well done! Overall, I feel if you boil everything down to the detective/serial killer elements (only keep the Riddler and the mafia aspects), then there’s a great movie there. As it stands, it’s a good movie with some lost potential that runs way too long.
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Post by moviemeisters on Apr 1, 2022 15:21:39 GMT
So I’ve seen The Batman twice. First time around I thought it was great. I liked that they emphasized the detective aspect of Batman and portraying the Riddler as a Zodiac Killer type worked pretty well! I liked the organized crime/corruption aspect of Gotham (though I think Nolan handled it better). The bait and switch of it seeming like Riddler knew Batman’s identity was great. The acting was solid all around and the action scenes carried the proper weight to them (seemed like Batman was in actual danger at times). I knew there were flaws (the Thomas Wayne subplot being resolved immediately after it’s established and the last act being lackluster and out-of-place), but they didn’t bother me too much. The movie did go down in my estimation the second time around. Knowing where the plot was going made certain scenes drag A LOT. My friend pointed out that the opening would have been so much better without the narration and I agree. Batman lacked the sneakiness/cleverness of other versions (knocking on the door to be let in the club instead of doing something stealthy). The detective aspect made me dislike when the film deviated from it (I wanted more). I hated the use of the Nirvana song (overplayed the emo aspect of Bruce Wayne without providing any sense of levity in the characterization). One scene I actually liked better was the funeral/DA bomb scene. That was very well done! Overall, I feel if you boil everything down to the detective/serial killer elements (only keep the Riddler and the mafia aspects), then there’s a great movie there. As it stands, it’s a good movie with some lost potential that runs way too long. I’ll add that the Joker scene was completely unnecessary, and the city being below the waterline and the use of the Bane steroid should have been established earlier |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 1, 2022 18:04:43 GMT
Would be cool if he was only used like this though. Kind of like Clarice asking Hannibal Lector for advice. I feel like the implication was Joker and Riddler would team up and escape for the next movie. I'd love to be wrong, though. Unless they did something like Long Halloween where villains show up in segments (eg Scarecrow's one-off appearance in TDK). |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 1, 2022 18:27:34 GMT
Would be cool if he was only used like this though. Kind of like Clarice asking Hannibal Lector for advice. I feel like the implication was Joker and Riddler would team up and escape for the next movie. I'd love to be wrong, though. Unless they did something like Long Halloween where villains show up in segments (eg Scarecrow's one-off appearance in TDK). Matt Reeves already claimed that he has no intention of having the Joker serve as a villain in future movies.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 1, 2022 19:03:35 GMT
I feel like the implication was Joker and Riddler would team up and escape for the next movie. I'd love to be wrong, though. Unless they did something like Long Halloween where villains show up in segments (eg Scarecrow's one-off appearance in TDK). Matt Reeves already claimed that he has no intention of having the Joker serve as a villain in future movies. And they said Marion Cotillard is just some lady named Miranda Tate. We shall see. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 1, 2022 19:22:12 GMT
Matt Reeves already claimed that he has no intention of having the Joker serve as a villain in future movies. And they said Marion Cotillard is just some lady named Miranda Tate. We shall see. I guess, but Reeves said he wants Mr. Freeze for the next one. I don’t see any reason why he would lie about that.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 4, 2022 0:05:18 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Apr 15, 2022 17:00:11 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Apr 18, 2022 18:40:37 GMT
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Post by DarkManX on Apr 19, 2022 20:46:53 GMT
Just saw it, I thought it was pretty good. I'm glad they left out the origin this time, I think a lot of superhero movies (i.e. Superman) could learn from this. I liked seeing Batman primarily as a detective it's something I've been wanting them to do for a long time. I also like that he's a hero here, one of my big worries was that he'd be killing people again like Snyder had him do. I like his relationship with Gordon, they really feel like they've been friends for years.
Three hours is overkill and it could have been cut back. I hope they don't use the Joker again (though I do like that he's already established and the idea that Batman has dealt with him before) and I really wish they hadn't used the Riddler here even though it's been 30 years since he was in a movie. This premise would have been a good time to use Hush.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 22, 2022 22:50:43 GMT
I just watched again and noticed that the mayor's son is practicing swordfighting in a RED HOOD at the beginning. Come on, he's got to be Robin.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 25, 2022 16:42:43 GMT
Didnt like it. All the characters in the movie are 1 dimensional and flat, especially Gordon and Bruce. No humor or levity. Plot is full on, heavy handed and constant. The story didnt justify a 3 hr runtime. The final climax is very underwhelming. Batmans basically fighting internet degenerate losers who got inspired by Riddler. And in the midst of a flood. Just very bizzare way to end a Batman movie. I kind've agree, but not as strongly. I agree that those were all issues, but I still somehow enjoyed the movie. A big issue of mine is how everyone is making such a big deal of this being a more "detective version" of Batman, and that he's younger because "its only year 2". Those are BS defenses for some flaws in the story. I'll just say that Batman, in at least one other movie, was both young and a detective just as much as in this movie, but there wasn't the need to justify it because there was better writing, and a better portrayal and depiction of events. But that's just my opinion. Don't kill me!
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Post by politicidal on Apr 25, 2022 20:41:20 GMT
Just saw it, I thought it was pretty good. I'm glad they left out the origin this time, I think a lot of superhero movies (i.e. Superman) could learn from this. I liked seeing Batman primarily as a detective it's something I've been wanting them to do for a long time. I also like that he's a hero here, one of my big worries was that he'd be killing people again like Snyder had him do. I like his relationship with Gordon, they really feel like they've been friends for years. Three hours is overkill and it could have been cut back. I hope they don't use the Joker again (though I do like that he's already established and the idea that Batman has dealt with him before) and I really wish they hadn't used the Riddler here even though it's been 30 years since he was in a movie. This premise would have been a good time to use Hush. I felt like they were setting up Hush for a sequel.
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Post by Jason143 on Apr 25, 2022 22:37:11 GMT
Didnt like it. All the characters in the movie are 1 dimensional and flat, especially Gordon and Bruce. No humor or levity. Plot is full on, heavy handed and constant. The story didnt justify a 3 hr runtime. The final climax is very underwhelming. Batmans basically fighting internet degenerate losers who got inspired by Riddler. And in the midst of a flood. Just very bizzare way to end a Batman movie. I kind've agree, but not as strongly. I agree that those were all issues, but I still somehow enjoyed the movie. A big issue of mine is how everyone is making such a big deal of this being a more "detective version" of Batman, and that he's younger because "its only year 2". Those are BS defenses for some flaws in the story. I'll just say that Batman, in at least one other movie, was both young and a detective just as much as in this movie, but there wasn't the need to justify it because there was better writing, and a better portrayal and depiction of events. But that's just my opinion. Don't kill me! Ive watched the movie again since then and ive upgraded my opinion to "its okay, I kinda liked it" His detective persona is the strongest part of this version of Batman imo. Yeah weve seen Bales Batman do it, but Pattinsons feels more realistic how he would act and behave around cops early on in his career. I agree that I still dont find the depiction of events in The Batman well written or compelling enough. The end climax just isnt powerful enough compared to other Batman movies. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 26, 2022 13:38:54 GMT
I kind've agree, but not as strongly. I agree that those were all issues, but I still somehow enjoyed the movie. A big issue of mine is how everyone is making such a big deal of this being a more "detective version" of Batman, and that he's younger because "its only year 2". Those are BS defenses for some flaws in the story. I'll just say that Batman, in at least one other movie, was both young and a detective just as much as in this movie, but there wasn't the need to justify it because there was better writing, and a better portrayal and depiction of events. But that's just my opinion. Don't kill me! Ive watched the movie again since then and ive upgraded my opinion to "its okay, I kinda liked it" His detective persona is the strongest part of this version of Batman imo. Yeah weve seen Bales Batman do it, but Pattinsons feels more realistic how he would act and behave around cops early on in his career. I agree that I still dont find the depiction of events in The Batman well written or compelling enough. The end climax just isnt powerful enough compared to other Batman movies. This whole detective aspect and his interaction with cops, I didn't find that as compelling as some other people do. Quite frankly I found it ludicrous that he wasn't already in handcuffs, unmasked and in a jail cell when he woke up in the Police station after getting blown up. He wakes up and he's surrounded by like 20 cops and no one arrested him? Or at least put him in cuffs and taken stuff off parts of his costume? Least of all his mask? It was a ridiculous scene! Speaking of which, he took that bomb to the face, and was fine?! But Alfred was hospitalized after throwing his bomb across the room?! WHAT?! Like I said, I did enjoy the movie, it had great atmosphere and a different angle, but this is not a masterpiece.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 26, 2022 15:25:32 GMT
I just watched again and noticed that the mayor's son is practicing swordfighting in a RED HOOD at the beginning. Come on, he's got to be Robin. Good call.
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Post by Jason143 on Apr 27, 2022 9:46:23 GMT
Speaking of which, he took that bomb to the face, and was fine?! But Alfred was hospitalized after throwing his bomb across the room?! WHAT?! Yeah that was the dumbest scene, no defending that. His jaw should have been completely obliterated.
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