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Post by masterofallgoons on Mar 19, 2022 2:36:18 GMT
Has anyone else seen this one? It's been about 6 years since Ti West has released a film, and about 9 since he has released a horror film. He's back in old form here. This one is as weird and stylish as House of the Devil, but feels both more unusual and more conventional at the same time. It's a wild exploitation movie experience, but a little smarter than that. I wouldn't wanna say too much else until other people have seen it, but this is refreshing but classic horror movie in a lot of ways. It's worth seeing in a theater.
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Post by forca84 on Mar 19, 2022 20:54:46 GMT
I'll have to wait til streaming... But it looks like what the new "Texas Chainsaw" should've been...Nice to see Brittany Snow again. And I liked Jenna Ortega in "Scream".
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Post by masterofallgoons on Mar 20, 2022 16:39:07 GMT
I'll have to wait til streaming... But it looks like what the new "Texas Chainsaw" should've been...Nice to see Brittany Snow again. And I liked Jenna Ortega in "Scream". Yeah sort of. The horror threat isn't the same and is a lot more unique, but the style and atmosphere is better than the new Texas Chainsaw for sure. It's still not stylistically in-line with the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but it doesn't pretty much everything better than the new one.
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Post by Marv on Mar 21, 2022 21:16:34 GMT
I'll have to wait til streaming... But it looks like what the new "Texas Chainsaw" should've been...Nice to see Brittany Snow again. And I liked Jenna Ortega in "Scream". Yeah sort of. The horror threat isn't the same and is a lot more unique, but the style and atmosphere is better than the new Texas Chainsaw for sure. It's still not stylistically in-line with the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but it doesn't pretty much everything better than the new one. Just saw it and yea it's in the same ballpark as TCM but it's much more tension than terror. It also spends a lot more time discussing it's themes and ideas which i think was a really great thing for the characters as all 6 of them feel fully formed by the time things turn south.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Mar 22, 2022 12:58:31 GMT
Yeah sort of. The horror threat isn't the same and is a lot more unique, but the style and atmosphere is better than the new Texas Chainsaw for sure. It's still not stylistically in-line with the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but it doesn't pretty much everything better than the new one. Just saw it and yea it's in the same ballpark as TCM but it's much more tension than terror. It also spends a lot more time discussing it's themes and ideas which i think was a really great thing for the characters as all 6 of them feel fully formed by the time things turn south. Yes on all points. The building of tension is really strong, and it struck me how differently handled that was from House of the Devil. This is a little more conventional in creating suspense, but it's slow tension leading to payoff where House if the Devil was a lot of slowness with a sudden crazy jolt and the more slowness until it's punctuated at the end. It's all well handled here, but it's a little more traditional set-up and pay-off. And yeah the characterization helps a lot. It actually does serve to mislead in a way because typically when they start offing characters in these movies they don't bother to give them full personalities, but Ti West made a point of fleshing out even the ones who seemed one dimensional at first... and even the antagonists are made to be people and not just monsters. It's not a surprise THAT the mayhem starts, but the 'who' and the 'why' are a bit surprising. Also, on a totally different point, that odd Easy Rider editing transition technique was kinda interesting.
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Post by Marv on Mar 22, 2022 14:49:20 GMT
Just saw it and yea it's in the same ballpark as TCM but it's much more tension than terror. It also spends a lot more time discussing it's themes and ideas which i think was a really great thing for the characters as all 6 of them feel fully formed by the time things turn south. Yes on all points. The building of tension is really strong, and it struck me how differently handled that was from House of the Devil. This is a little more conventional in creating suspense, but it's slow tension leading to payoff where House if the Devil was a lot of slowness with a sudden crazy jolt and the more slowness until it's punctuated at the end. It's all well handled here, but it's a little more traditional set-up and pay-off. And yeah the characterization helps a lot. It actually does serve to mislead in a way because typically when they start offing characters in these movies they don't bother to give them full personalities, but Ti West made a point of fleshing out even the ones who seemed one dimensional at first... and even the antagonists are made to be people and not just monsters. It's not a surprise THAT the mayhem starts, but the 'who' and the 'why' are a bit surprising. Also, on a totally different point, that odd Easy Rider editing transition technique was kinda interesting. Yea there was some really interesting visuals and editing choices. The overhead swimming shot was so good…and suspenseful. There’s so many little nods to films of that era too that I didn’t even pick up on until I got home and started looking through production photos. It’s safe to say there’s a lot to like about this one for me.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 22, 2022 16:03:09 GMT
I saw it and liked it very much for all the reasons already mentioned.
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Post by Marv on Mar 25, 2022 1:12:01 GMT
On top of all the positive filmmaking choices...they still have... Mia Goth wearing only denim overalls for most of the film. Brittany Snow looking amazing And Jenna Ortegas attractive backside...
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Post by masterofallgoons on Mar 25, 2022 2:19:18 GMT
On top of all the positive filmmaking choices...they still have... Mia Goth wearing only denim overalls for most of the film. Brittany Snow looking amazing And Jenna Ortegas attractive backside... You didn't wanna include the silhouette of Kid Cudi in the doorway? By the way, I wasn't familiar with Mia Goth before this movie, but even if I had been I wouldn't have realized she was playing 2 different characters in this movie. The makeup worked, but she had to make it work too, and she pulled it off well.
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Post by Marv on Mar 25, 2022 2:41:24 GMT
On top of all the positive filmmaking choices...they still have... Mia Goth wearing only denim overalls for most of the film. Brittany Snow looking amazing And Jenna Ortegas attractive backside... You didn't wanna include the silhouette of Kid Cudi in the doorway? By the way, I wasn't familiar with Mia Goth before this movie, but even if I had been I wouldn't have realized she was playing 2 different characters in this movie. The makeup worked, but she had to make it work too, and she pulled it off well. Lol if i could find it i would. Laughed out loud at that massive dong. Yea I actually didn't realize until the final prequel teaser at the end when they showed a young Pearl that was clearly Mia Goth and I was like 'Wait. Was Pearl Mia Goth the whole time?'
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Post by masterofallgoons on Mar 25, 2022 15:56:51 GMT
You didn't wanna include the silhouette of Kid Cudi in the doorway? By the way, I wasn't familiar with Mia Goth before this movie, but even if I had been I wouldn't have realized she was playing 2 different characters in this movie. The makeup worked, but she had to make it work too, and she pulled it off well. Lol if i could find it i would. Laughed out loud at that massive dong. Yea I actually didn't realize until the final prequel teaser at the end when they showed a young Pearl that was clearly Mia Goth and I was like 'Wait. Was Pearl Mia Goth the whole time?' I honestly didn't know what you were talking about, but when I liked her up on IMDb just now I saw that she has an upcoming movie with Ti West called Pearl, and then saw that there was apparently something after the credits. I did not stick around to see that because I just had no idea there would be anything, so I still haven't seen it. I noticed her in a picture on the wall during the movie and thought it might have been the same person, but that was an allusion to something and still didn't tip me off that the same actress was playing both parts. I'll have to look for that preview. I don't know that there needs to be a prequel, but it certainly could be good.
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Post by Marv on Mar 25, 2022 17:50:25 GMT
Lol if i could find it i would. Laughed out loud at that massive dong. Yea I actually didn't realize until the final prequel teaser at the end when they showed a young Pearl that was clearly Mia Goth and I was like 'Wait. Was Pearl Mia Goth the whole time?' I honestly didn't know what you were talking about, but when I liked her up on IMDb just now I saw that she has an upcoming movie with Ti West called Pearl, and then saw that there was apparently something after the credits. I did not stick around to see that because I just had no idea there would be anything, so I still haven't seen it. I noticed her in a picture on the wall during the movie and thought it might have been the same person, but that was an allusion to something and still didn't tip me off that the same actress was playing both parts. I'll have to look for that preview. I don't know that there needs to be a prequel, but it certainly could be good. I’m actually against the idea of the prequel because I think it negates age playing a factor.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Mar 25, 2022 18:04:54 GMT
I honestly didn't know what you were talking about, but when I liked her up on IMDb just now I saw that she has an upcoming movie with Ti West called Pearl, and then saw that there was apparently something after the credits. I did not stick around to see that because I just had no idea there would be anything, so I still haven't seen it. I noticed her in a picture on the wall during the movie and thought it might have been the same person, but that was an allusion to something and still didn't tip me off that the same actress was playing both parts. I'll have to look for that preview. I don't know that there needs to be a prequel, but it certainly could be good. I’m actually against the idea of the prequel because I think it negates age playing a factor. I don't need to see a prequel either, but what do you mean by that?
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Post by Marv on Mar 25, 2022 18:22:11 GMT
I’m actually against the idea of the prequel because I think it negates age playing a factor. I don't need to see a prequel either, but what do you mean by that? One of X’s main themes deals with growing older. I like the idea that these people growing older was a bigger factor in their homicidal tendencies. If we go back 50 years and Pearl is killing people in her 20s well then her growing older is irrelevant. She just needed any excuse. I think if that’s the case then X loses some luster for me.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Mar 25, 2022 19:24:56 GMT
I don't need to see a prequel either, but what do you mean by that? One of X’s main themes deals with growing older. I like the idea that these people growing older was a bigger factor in their homicidal tendencies. If we go back 50 years and Pearl is killing people in her 20s well then her growing older is irrelevant. She just needed any excuse. I think if that’s the case then X loses some luster for me. Well I couldn't say what is in the trailer because I didn't know it existed, but I would think it may be more like X with her experiencing crazy that forces her into violence. There's a suggestion that these two characters parallel each other, and the younger Mia Goth does not begin (as far as we know) as someone capable of this kind of violence, but by the end she's as brutal as Pearl. The motivation is completely different, but I don't think age is the ultimate motive for Pearl either. It's longing and jealousy. It's just that in this stage of life longing and jealousy is directed to these youthful, free, and sexy people because she's no longer like that. I could see longing and jealousy for something else (like this younger version of her longing to become a sex symbol and star) being the cause of her violence.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 15, 2022 1:17:29 GMT
I liked it. It wears its influences on its sleeve (TCM, The Shining, Psycho - which even gets name-dropped and paralleled, as that movie has a Maguffin plot that gets dropped similar to here) much like House of the Devil, though unlike that movie I thought this one had more going for it than retro homage. The old age makeup did take me out of it, though. Maybe you guys didn't know it was Mia Goth, but you couldn't tell it was two younger actors buried in rubber? I get the symbolism of having Goth in double roles, but I'd have preferred actual old people. As far as the characters go, Jenna Ortega has been on a final girl survivor streak, which I'm glad ended here because I hated her character. Credit to her for subverting her image, though. In any other horror movie, she'd have been the main character (sans what she does to her boyfriend, of course).
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 15, 2022 13:02:20 GMT
I liked it. It wears its influences on its sleeve (TCM, The Shining, Psycho - which even gets name-dropped and paralleled, as that movie has a Maguffin plot that gets dropped similar to here) much like House of the Devil, though unlike that movie I thought this one had more going for it than retro homage. The old age makeup did take me out of it, though. Maybe you guys didn't know it was Mia Goth, but you couldn't tell it was two younger actors buried in rubber? I get the symbolism of having Goth in double roles, but I'd have preferred actual old people. As far as the characters go, Jenna Ortega has been on a final girl survivor streak, which I'm glad ended here because I hated her character. Credit to her for subverting her image, though. In any other horror movie, she'd have been the main character (sans what she does to her boyfriend, of course). I didn't think the makeup was realistic but I didn't think it was intended to be naturalistic. It was over the top grotesque on purpose. It was obvious from the outset that it was old age makeup, but it seemed to me that the intent was to make that effect so extreme that it bordered on monster makeup.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 15, 2022 18:15:06 GMT
I liked it. It wears its influences on its sleeve (TCM, The Shining, Psycho - which even gets name-dropped and paralleled, as that movie has a Maguffin plot that gets dropped similar to here) much like House of the Devil, though unlike that movie I thought this one had more going for it than retro homage. The old age makeup did take me out of it, though. Maybe you guys didn't know it was Mia Goth, but you couldn't tell it was two younger actors buried in rubber? I get the symbolism of having Goth in double roles, but I'd have preferred actual old people. As far as the characters go, Jenna Ortega has been on a final girl survivor streak, which I'm glad ended here because I hated her character. Credit to her for subverting her image, though. In any other horror movie, she'd have been the main character (sans what she does to her boyfriend, of course). I didn't think the makeup was realistic but I didn't think it was intended to be naturalistic. It was over the top grotesque on purpose. It was obvious from the outset that it was old age makeup, but it seemed to me that the intent was to make that effect so extreme that it bordered on monster makeup. I can respect that but I still didn't care for it. Someone said the couple reminded them of Spike Jonez in Jackass which doesn't really speak to a horrifying effect. Kubrick also used gross makeup in The Shining, but that scene is still way more unsettling because it's a real old lady.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 15, 2022 19:01:02 GMT
I didn't think the makeup was realistic but I didn't think it was intended to be naturalistic. It was over the top grotesque on purpose. It was obvious from the outset that it was old age makeup, but it seemed to me that the intent was to make that effect so extreme that it bordered on monster makeup. I can respect that but I still didn't care for it. Someone said the couple reminded them of Spike Jonez in Jackass which doesn't really speak to a horrifying effect. Kubrick also used gross makeup in The Shining, but that scene is still way more unsettling because it's a real old lady. I get that. It worked for me, but I know what you mean. I just believe it was an intentional choice, but if you didn't find that artistic choice effective that's hard to get over for the duration of the movie. Especially since they're in a lot of it, and you see more of them than anyone would want to see. There's some great, realistic old age makeup in recent years that is very natural looking and effective. Ti West worked with Weta in New Zealnad and they're some of the best in the bizz, so I'm sure it was all carefully put together. I did find them gross and unsettling, in an overt the top way, but I'd agree that they didn't sell them as actually being real elderly people.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 25, 2022 16:51:53 GMT
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