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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 24, 2017 15:05:47 GMT
With Sony's Spiderverse and the MCU with Spider-Man going exist simultaneously, I think the same thing should be done with the X-Men. Just use the multiverse concept established in Doctor Strange and say they take place in alternate realities so audiences won't get confused.
After all, people over at Fox are hesitant to recast Wolverine. And I think the main X-Men series is going to come to an end in a few more films. We have this passing of the torch with X-23, New Mutants, and X-Force. Let the MCU tell stories of the earlier generation of the team while FOX focuses on the next generation.
And they can make a Secret War somewhere down the line.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 24, 2017 15:21:24 GMT
With Sony's Spiderverse and the MCU with Spider-Man going exist simultaneously, I think the same thing should be done with the X-Men. Just use the multiverse concept established in Doctor Strange and say they take place in alternate realities so audiences won't get confused. After all, people over at Fox are hesitant to recast Wolverine. And I think the main X-Men series is going to come to an end in a few more films. We have this passing of the torch with X-23, New Mutants, and X-Force. Let the MCU tell stories of the earlier generation of the team while FOX focuses on the next generation. And they can make a Secret War somewhere down the line. I honestly don't want to see this. If the MCU ever uses the X-Men I want a completely new start for them, and there wouldn't be any multiverse explanation needed. Quite frankly the multiverse is just a lazy writing crutch. They just use it as an excuse to get characters together whenever they want without having to maintain continuity. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 24, 2017 16:43:54 GMT
With Sony's Spiderverse and the MCU with Spider-Man going exist simultaneously, I think the same thing should be done with the X-Men. Just use the multiverse concept established in Doctor Strange and say they take place in alternate realities so audiences won't get confused. After all, people over at Fox are hesitant to recast Wolverine. And I think the main X-Men series is going to come to an end in a few more films. We have this passing of the torch with X-23, New Mutants, and X-Force. Let the MCU tell stories of the earlier generation of the team while FOX focuses on the next generation. And they can make a Secret War somewhere down the line. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 18:53:22 GMT
With Sony's Spiderverse and the MCU with Spider-Man going exist simultaneously, I think the same thing should be done with the X-Men. Just use the multiverse concept established in Doctor Strange and say they take place in alternate realities so audiences won't get confused. After all, people over at Fox are hesitant to recast Wolverine. And I think the main X-Men series is going to come to an end in a few more films. We have this passing of the torch with X-23, New Mutants, and X-Force. Let the MCU tell stories of the earlier generation of the team while FOX focuses on the next generation. And they can make a Secret War somewhere down the line. Marvel created all of those characters and has every right to use them. |
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Post by DC-Fan on May 24, 2017 20:16:27 GMT
I think Marvel, Fox and Sony should all get to use all of the characters competitively in their own separate storytelling universes. I don't want Fox or Sony's universes linked to the MCU in any way. I'm sure there are Fox and Sony fans that feel the same way. Let's make it a world-building shootout and see who comes out on top.SaveSaveSaveSave Marvel created all of those characters and has every right to use them. No, Marvel sold the movie rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four characters so MCU doesn't have any legal right to use those characters in their movies. |
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Post by DC-Fan on May 24, 2017 20:18:43 GMT
With Sony's Spiderverse and the MCU with Spider-Man going exist simultaneously, I think the same thing should be done with the X-Men. Just use the multiverse concept established in Doctor Strange and say they take place in alternate realities so audiences won't get confused. After all, people over at Fox are hesitant to recast Wolverine. And I think the main X-Men series is going to come to an end in a few more films. We have this passing of the torch with X-23, New Mutants, and X-Force. Let the MCU tell stories of the earlier generation of the team while FOX focuses on the next generation. And they can make a Secret War somewhere down the line. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 24, 2017 20:33:04 GMT
I think Marvel, Fox and Sony should all get to use all of the characters competitively in their own separate storytelling universes.  SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 24, 2017 21:08:25 GMT
I think Marvel, Fox and Sony should all get to use all of the characters competitively in their own separate storytelling universes. I don't want Fox or Sony's universes linked to the MCU in any way. I'm sure there are Fox and Sony fans that feel the same way. Let's make it a world-building shootout and see who comes out on top.SaveSaveSaveSave Marvel created all of those characters and has every right to use them.
Fox is under no financial pressure to give up the X-Men rights, and they won't let them lapse. It's hard to stomach that as a Marvel/MCU fan, but we've got to look these facts in the eye.
I'm not a lawyer - not even close but, I like games. What would it take? How many men do we need to topple a regime?
What if Disney offered Fox an insane amount of money to get the rights back? Disney could give them say the projected profits from the next 6 to 10 X-Men films. It would take deep pockets and Disney's got that.
Fox would make the same money without ever having to lift a finger to produce an actual movie. What self-respecting suit would say no to money for nothing? If they declined a deal like that, then we'd know that the X-Men is not just necessary for the profitability of the studio. It's necessary for their survival.
They coud also try character/team sharing on a pay-to-play basis. What if the X-Men existed in two places at once? Marvel could start off with the classic team; Beast, Iceman, Marvel girl, Cyclops and the Professor. Fox could continue with the whatever verse, and people could see the versions that interest them more. Fox's X-Verse would in effect become a giant "What if?" scenario.
Marvel/Disney's current strategy isn't all that bad either - starve the parasite. Don't produce any new stories Fox can use. X-Men vs. Inhumans is a bust for Fox. The only way Fox can save itself is to go cosmic and tell the world exactly what the Phoenix Force is. That means making larger scale films with bigger budgets and denser themes. I dare them to slap an R rating on that.SaveSave |
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Post by Jerk on May 24, 2017 21:18:55 GMT
That would be amazing.
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Post by charzhino on May 24, 2017 22:34:08 GMT
No no no no. Keep the X-Men as far away from any crossover with MCU property as possible. It would ruin years of respectable franchise building.
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Post by politicidal on May 24, 2017 22:50:44 GMT
Sure, why not? I'd make it a two part film or even a trilogy though.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 22:51:40 GMT
No no no no. Keep the X-Men as far away from any crossover with MCU property as possible. It would ruin years of respectable franchise building. "respectable franchise building" You live in a fantasy world. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 25, 2017 23:14:57 GMT
With Sony's Spiderverse and the MCU with Spider-Man going exist simultaneously, I think the same thing should be done with the X-Men. Just use the multiverse concept established in Doctor Strange and say they take place in alternate realities so audiences won't get confused. After all, people over at Fox are hesitant to recast Wolverine. And I think the main X-Men series is going to come to an end in a few more films. We have this passing of the torch with X-23, New Mutants, and X-Force. Let the MCU tell stories of the earlier generation of the team while FOX focuses on the next generation. And they can make a Secret War somewhere down the line. I honestly don't want to see this. If the MCU ever uses the X-Men I want a completely new start for them, and there wouldn't be any multiverse explanation needed. Quite frankly the multiverse is just a lazy writing crutch. They just use it as an excuse to get characters together whenever they want without having to maintain continuity. I'm talking about doing both. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 26, 2017 0:22:40 GMT
With Sony's Spiderverse and the MCU with Spider-Man going exist simultaneously, I think the same thing should be done with the X-Men. Just use the multiverse concept established in Doctor Strange and say they take place in alternate realities so audiences won't get confused. After all, people over at Fox are hesitant to recast Wolverine. And I think the main X-Men series is going to come to an end in a few more films. We have this passing of the torch with X-23, New Mutants, and X-Force. Let the MCU tell stories of the earlier generation of the team while FOX focuses on the next generation. And they can make a Secret War somewhere down the line. I honestly don't want to see this. If the MCU ever uses the X-Men I want a completely new start for them, and there wouldn't be any multiverse explanation needed. Quite frankly the multiverse is just a lazy writing crutch. They just use it as an excuse to get characters together whenever they want without having to maintain continuity. How the fuck did I forget to like this post? Shame on me. SaveSave |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 26, 2017 6:18:11 GMT
I honestly don't want to see this. If the MCU ever uses the X-Men I want a completely new start for them, and there wouldn't be any multiverse explanation needed. Quite frankly the multiverse is just a lazy writing crutch. They just use it as an excuse to get characters together whenever they want without having to maintain continuity. I'm talking about doing both. The MCU won't have a known X-Men actor or character show up in Infinity War even if they have full rights to do anything they wanted. I don't see how that would make any sense at all. And using a multiverse excuse, I will contend, as a writer myself, is a writing crutch. It's lazy. It's just a tool to keep from having to maintain continuity but then just pulling in a character whenever you need.
There is no way they do this is the biggest payoff film in the franchise. Zero chance.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 7:52:05 GMT
No no no no. Keep the X-Men as far away from any crossover with MCU property as possible. It would ruin years of respectable franchise building. Me too. MCU in no way would profit from bringing awful story telling like they have at fox. Not one iota of consistency. |
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Post by kuatorises on May 26, 2017 14:54:56 GMT
I'm talking about doing both. The MCU won't have a known X-Men actor or character show up in Infinity War even if they have full rights to do anything they wanted. I don't see how that would make any sense at all. And using a multiverse excuse, I will contend, as a writer myself, is a writing crutch. It's lazy. It's just a tool to keep from having to maintain continuity but then just pulling in a character whenever you need.
There is no way they do this is the biggest payoff film in the franchise. Zero chance.
I am actually surprised that more people don't see this extremely obvious (and correct) point. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 26, 2017 15:08:25 GMT
The MCU won't have a known X-Men actor or character show up in Infinity War even if they have full rights to do anything they wanted. I don't see how that would make any sense at all. And using a multiverse excuse, I will contend, as a writer myself, is a writing crutch. It's lazy. It's just a tool to keep from having to maintain continuity but then just pulling in a character whenever you need.
There is no way they do this is the biggest payoff film in the franchise. Zero chance.
I am actually surprised that more people don't see this extremely obvious (and correct) point. I agree. There are ways that a multiverse concept can be meaningful, but just using it for characters to show up whenever you feel like, but otherwise keep them separated, isn't one of them. |
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Post by kuatorises on May 26, 2017 22:33:12 GMT
I am actually surprised that more people don't see this extremely obvious (and correct) point. I agree. There are ways that a multiverse concept can be meaningful, but just using it for characters to show up whenever you feel like, but otherwise keep them separated, isn't one of them. My other complaint is that it would simply be too many characters. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 26, 2017 22:34:16 GMT
I'm talking about doing both. The MCU won't have a known X-Men actor or character show up in Infinity War even if they have full rights to do anything they wanted. I don't see how that would make any sense at all. And using a multiverse excuse, I will contend, as a writer myself, is a writing crutch. It's lazy. It's just a tool to keep from having to maintain continuity but then just pulling in a character whenever you need.
There is no way they do this is the biggest payoff film in the franchise. Zero chance.
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