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Post by Admin on Apr 4, 2022 8:47:32 GMT
There is nothing unethical about ending the incurable suffering of any animal (or person), although an argument could be made that by doing so, a subjective quality of life is being imposed on what would then be a victim. I suppose you also see no difference between hunting for food and hunting for sport? Life feeds on life. Blame the universe. What if a pet dog has a heart condition which requires expensive medication to keep it alive? Should it be euthanized? Do you want to talk ethics or finance? If that heart condition is causing the dog to suffer and the only way to stop it short of death is unattainable, then yes. If you want to kill it because you don't want to sacrifice your Netflix, then no. So it's okay to kill for fun, but not for food? Yeah? How so?
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 4, 2022 10:34:44 GMT
Unless you're doing it to relieve yourself of the responsibility (or because you want a snack), there is nothing selfish about euthanizing a beloved pet. Shame on you for saying otherwise. I didn't say it's selfish to euthanize a sick pet. I said it's hypocritical to worry about putting down a sick pet when you're fine with slaughtering animals for food.
Is your silly dog any more worthy of life than a pig? I'm told pigs can be very sweet and intelligent pets.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 4, 2022 13:16:47 GMT
"Wild animals never kill for sport. Man is the only one to whom the torture and death of his fellow creatures is amusing in itself." James Anthony Froud
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 4, 2022 17:17:45 GMT
It's almost like you deliberately misunderstood what I wrote. As always my statements stand on their own just as yours do. You don't fall in love with dinner, right?
It is nothing to do with falling in love with their pet or wanting to see them suffer. You appear to have confused having a relationship with someone/something with being in love and forget that friendships and family are also about having a relationship. Most people experience grief when their pet is put down because they form an emotional attachment to that animal. I don't think I have ever met anyone who won't have a pet put down simply because they feel queezy.
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Post by Admin on Apr 4, 2022 17:27:39 GMT
I don't think I have ever met anyone who won't have a pet put down simply because they feel queezy. I wouldn’t. Hello. Nice to meet you.
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 4, 2022 17:40:07 GMT
I don't think I have ever met anyone who won't have a pet put down simply because they feel queezy. I wouldn’t. Hello. Nice to meet you. Oh well, good thing I didn't say you don't exist.
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Post by Admin on Apr 4, 2022 18:38:52 GMT
Do you want to talk ethics or finance? If that heart condition is causing the dog to suffer and the only way to stop it short of death is unattainable, then yes. If you want to kill it because you don't want to sacrifice your Netflix, then no. So it's okay to kill for fun, but not for food? Yeah? How so? You hit the nail on the head with the ethics versus finance dichotomy. No one, I mean no one (unless you're so rich you have money to throw away and you're a sentimental idiot) would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to prolong the life of a dog with terminal cancer. No one, and you mean no one...except those who can afford it? And if you can, you're an idiot if you do? If we can afford it, yes we do. In most cases, people who take in an animal as a pet do so with full knowledge of the highly likely possibility that it will not outlive them. It's not unethical to fulfill that responsibility. And then there are those who will never have another pet for fear of reliving the torment of such a loss. I am not one of those people. Last September, a cat appeared on my driveway. She was not feral. She had been spayed and declawed, but she was in bad shape - covered in fleas, rotted teeth, prolapsed rectum, and severely emaciated to the point where she could barely stand. I had three immediate options: Let her die (it would have taken less than a week), euthanize her, or take her in and care for her. As I debated these options over the course of two or three days, she got progressively worse. The day she wouldn't even move out of the way of my car is the day I made my decision. All told, the vet bills were roughly $1,500; some teeth were pulled, her butt was repaired, the fleas are gone, she's gaining weight, and she has a safe place to live with people who love her and two other cats to play with. She was so small, we thought she was a kitten. Turns out she's 10-12 years old, according to the vet. Still, even knowing that she won't be around as long as we originally thought, we carried on anyway. Meet Babycat: If that makes me a sentimental idiot, then so be it. But would you call me the same if it was a person instead of a cat? I'm not arguing that, but I will argue that blood is not necessarily thicker than water. I suppose that makes me unethical, too?
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Post by Admin on Apr 4, 2022 18:39:30 GMT
I wouldn’t. Hello. Nice to meet you. Oh well, good thing I didn't say you don't exist. I don't know about that, but I do know you can't say that anymore.
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 4, 2022 21:36:00 GMT
Oh well, good thing I didn't say you don't exist. I don't know about that, but I do know you can't say that anymore. You should see me dealing with mice after they've eaten poison. The stuff they used at work made them fall asleep before dying so I'd put them somewhere quiet to let them die peacefully.
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Post by Admin on Apr 4, 2022 21:44:51 GMT
I don't know about that, but I do know you can't say that anymore. You should see me dealing with mice after they've eaten poison. The stuff they used at work made them fall asleep before dying so I'd put them somewhere quiet to let them die peacefully. Did they feel queezy before being poisoned?
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 4, 2022 22:16:05 GMT
You should see me dealing with mice after they've eaten poison. The stuff they used at work made them fall asleep before dying so I'd put them somewhere quiet to let them die peacefully. Did they feel queezy before being poisoned? They were probably healthy enough to eat. I always felt sorry for the little pests.
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Post by Stammerhead on May 28, 2022 19:05:31 GMT
If all an animal can do is lie there and suffer it has no quality of life. We had to put one of our cats down last week after 18 years of near perfect health when she suffered a stroke, went blind and kept having fits. We tried to keep her going but in the end it would have been cruel to go any further. Our dog has cancer with not much time left but he still likes his walks and his food so he’s on medication. We've just had him put down. Emotionally painful but necessary.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 1, 2022 16:39:17 GMT
If all an animal can do is lie there and suffer it has no quality of life. We had to put one of our cats down last week after 18 years of near perfect health when she suffered a stroke, went blind and kept having fits. We tried to keep her going but in the end it would have been cruel to go any further. Our dog has cancer with not much time left but he still likes his walks and his food so he’s on medication. We've just had him put down. Emotionally painful but necessary. I've been there. When our dog couldn't even muster the strength to get up to pee, we knew it was time. It was crushing and heartbreaking, but better than the alternative of letting her suffer like that.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jul 2, 2022 4:24:32 GMT
You hit the nail on the head with the ethics versus finance dichotomy. No one, I mean no one (unless you're so rich you have money to throw away and you're a sentimental idiot) would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to prolong the life of a dog with terminal cancer. No one, and you mean no one...except those who can afford it? And if you can, you're an idiot if you do? If we can afford it, yes we do. In most cases, people who take in an animal as a pet do so with full knowledge of the highly likely possibility that it will not outlive them. It's not unethical to fulfill that responsibility. And then there are those who will never have another pet for fear of reliving the torment of such a loss. I am not one of those people. Last September, a cat appeared on my driveway. She was not feral. She had been spayed and declawed, but she was in bad shape - covered in fleas, rotted teeth, prolapsed rectum, and severely emaciated to the point where she could barely stand. I had three immediate options: Let her die (it would have taken less than a week), euthanize her, or take her in and care for her. As I debated these options over the course of two or three days, she got progressively worse. The day she wouldn't even move out of the way of my car is the day I made my decision. All told, the vet bills were roughly $1,500; some teeth were pulled, her butt was repaired, the fleas are gone, she's gaining weight, and she has a safe place to live with people who love her and two other cats to play with. She was so small, we thought she was a kitten. Turns out she's 10-12 years old, according to the vet. Still, even knowing that she won't be around as long as we originally thought, we carried on anyway. Meet Babycat: If that makes me a sentimental idiot, then so be it. But would you call me the same if it was a person instead of a cat? I'm not arguing that, but I will argue that blood is not necessarily thicker than water. I suppose that makes me unethical, too? Babycat is adorable! Good for you! My vet bill is always at about $1,000 or more, and they let me make payments - I have been a client for so long, about 40 years or so, and I foster baby kittens for them, out of my pocket, for them to spay or neuter and offer for adoption. Years ago, when dating my future husband, I knew he was a keeper when he paid off my vet bill!
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