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Post by Cooper, the Golden Retriever on Apr 4, 2022 8:14:35 GMT
I think MANDELORIAN Is best without Gina Carano! That's right, I mean WITHOUT her. Kathleen Kennedy was CORRECT! NO Cara Dune, no nothin'. Can't STAND to see it./.in fact, too much boobs. Anita Skarskeesian on Twitter in late 2020 was right. The show objectifies women. And there is one more matter I have to say, but.. still I wanna say this, the show sucks with her or without. (But I still have another matter,as I said, a surprise) Take everything pre-Kennedy related off. Okay, now the surprise. APRIL FOOL!
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 5, 2022 14:32:34 GMT
Ok
I have never seen The Mandalorian. So i can`t agree or disagree with you.
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 5, 2022 18:32:00 GMT
Gina Carano shouldn't have been fired. It was a political cancelation. Case in point: Whoopi Goldberg said something similar and she still has her job on The View and Star Trek Picard. Why? She has the "correct" politics.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 5, 2022 18:48:26 GMT
Gina Carano shouldn't have been fired. It was a political cancelation. Case in point: Whoopi Goldberg said something similar and she still has her job on The View and Star Trek Picard. Why? She has the "correct" politics. Reportedly, Gina Carano actually received multiple warnings from Disney to dial it down, but she apparently didn’t listen. That last tweet was just the final straw. Also, Whoopi Goldberg apologized, Carano didn’t. Edit: To elaborate, people may think that Disney is some super woke Marxist company that hates anyone who disagrees with them, but the truth is much simpler than that. Disney is a typical mega corporation that is mainly concerned about money and good PR. As a result, they want to avoid controversy whenever possible. If someone associated with their brand attracts too much controversy, Disney will wash their hands of that person, regardless of political views. That’s just how they operate. Tim Allen is also openly conservative, and it was recently announced that he’s going to headline a new Santa Clause series for Disney+. That’s because unlike Gina Carano, he‘s generally able to avoid making any overtly abrasive comments regarding his conservative beliefs, thus, Disney doesn’t see him as a problem.
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 5, 2022 19:21:47 GMT
Reportedly, Gina Carano actually received multiple warnings from Disney to dial it down, but she apparently didn’t listen. That last tweet was just the final straw. Also, Whoopi Goldberg apologized, Carano didn’t. That's the thing, I don't think either should have been pressured to apologize. It's their opinions - foolish ones, yes - but that's it. There's a big difference between what people say, and what people do. People say stupid stuff all the time. They like to talk because like the cliched saying, "Talk is cheap." I'm way more concerned with what people actually do than what they say/think. Case in point: I wrote to a Star Wars actor in the early 2000's. This particular actor sent me back political stickers smearing the politician, Tony Blair. I found it strange the actor sent me that stuff. First off, I'm American. Secondly, the content of my letter was focused on Star Wars and I said nothing about politics in it. I didn't care. I don't feel the need to push to cancel the actor for it. At the end of the day, it's just his opinion. There's those now that would try to cancel him for having a different opinion, though. I find it alarming. Dangerous.
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Post by novastar6 on Apr 5, 2022 19:23:20 GMT
Reportedly, Gina Carano actually received multiple warnings from Disney to dial it down, but she apparently didn’t listen. That last tweet was just the final straw. Also, Whoopi Goldberg apologized, Carano didn’t. That's the thing, I don't think either should have been pressured to apologize. It's their opinions - foolish ones, yes - but that's it. There's a big difference between what people say, and what people do. People say stupid stuff all the time. They like to talk because like the cliched saying, "Talk is cheap." I'm way more concerned with what people actually do than what they say/think. Case in point: I wrote to a Star Wars actor in the early 2000's. This particular actor sent me back political stickers smearing the politician, Tony Blair. I found it strange the actor sent me that stuff. First off, I'm American. Secondly, the content of my letter was focused on Star Wars and I said nothing about politics in it. I didn't care. I don't feel the need to push to cancel the actor for it. At the end of the day, it's just his opinion. There's those now that would try to cancel him for having a different opinion, though. I find it alarming. Dangerous.
It wasn't Mark Hamill, was it?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 5, 2022 19:35:35 GMT
Reportedly, Gina Carano actually received multiple warnings from Disney to dial it down, but she apparently didn’t listen. That last tweet was just the final straw. Also, Whoopi Goldberg apologized, Carano didn’t. That's the thing, I don't think either should have been pressured to apologize. It's their opinions - foolish ones, yes - but that's it. There's a big difference between what people say, and what people do. People say stupid stuff all the time. They like to talk because like the cliched saying, "Talk is cheap." I'm way more concerned with what people actually do than what they say/think. Case in point: I wrote to a Star Wars actor in the early 2000's. This particular actor sent me back political stickers smearing the politician, Tony Blair. I found it strange the actor sent me that stuff. First off, I'm American. Secondly, the content of my letter was focused on Star Wars and I said nothing about politics in it. I didn't care. I don't feel the need to push to cancel the actor for it. At the end of the day, it's just his opinion. There's those now that would try to cancel him for having a different opinion, though. I find it alarming. Dangerous. Regardless of what a person says or what they do, if that person is deemed sufficiently controversial, Disney will cut ties with them. They are obsessed with maintaining their brand image, so they would rather avoid controversy whenever possible.
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 5, 2022 19:38:23 GMT
It wasn't Mark Hamill, was it?
Trying to identify the actor wasn't the point of the story. But, no, it wasn't Hamill. That will be the only answer to that question haha. Again, I'm not looking to see another Star Wars actor canceled. People are vindictive online. They're just looking to cancel anyone of any notoriety. It doesn't matter who. They get a high off of it. HBO did a good documentary on cancel culture titled, 15 Minutes of Shame. It explores how reactionary and militant people are when it comes to having this power as a collective mob. It also shows how cancel culture impacts non-famous, regular people. It's worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 5, 2022 19:39:57 GMT
Regardless of what a person says or what they do, if that person is deemed sufficiently controversial, Disney will cut ties with them. They are obsessed with maintaining their brand image, so they would rather avoid controversy whenever possible. This is true, unfortunately.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 21, 2022 23:47:23 GMT
Gina Carano shouldn't have been fired. It was a political cancelation. Case in point: Whoopi Goldberg said something similar and she still has her job on The View and Star Trek Picard. Why? She has the "correct" politics. Reportedly, Gina Carano actually received multiple warnings from Disney to dial it down, but she apparently didn’t listen. That last tweet was just the final straw. Also, Whoopi Goldberg apologized, Carano didn’t. Edit: To elaborate, people may think that Disney is some super woke Marxist company that hates anyone who disagrees with them, but the truth is much simpler than that. Disney is a typical mega corporation that is mainly concerned about money and good PR. As a result, they want to avoid controversy whenever possible. If someone associated with their brand attracts too much controversy, Disney will wash their hands of that person, regardless of political views. That’s just how they operate. Tim Allen is also openly conservative, and it was recently announced that he’s going to headline a new Santa Clause series for Disney+. That’s because unlike Gina Carano, he‘s generally able to avoid making any overtly abrasive comments regarding his conservative beliefs, thus, Disney doesn’t see him as a problem. ^^^THIS^^^
I don't think Carano should have been fired. I liked her.
BUT she didn't shut the fuck up either! You don't talk shit about Jews when Jews are your bosses! There's a little matter of self preservation that she obviously doesn't have. Hollywood is filled with Jews in positions of power. You want to work in Hollywood you should be smart enough to shut the fuck up about Jews. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is.
One doesn't go to Rome to talk shit about Romans!
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 25, 2022 3:25:39 GMT
Gina Carano shouldn't have been fired. It was a political cancelation. Case in point: Whoopi Goldberg said something similar and she still has her job on The View and Star Trek Picard. Why? She has the "correct" politics. Reportedly, Gina Carano actually received multiple warnings from Disney to dial it down, but she apparently didn’t listen. That last tweet was just the final straw. Also, Whoopi Goldberg apologized, Carano didn’t. Edit: To elaborate, people may think that Disney is some super woke Marxist company that hates anyone who disagrees with them, but the truth is much simpler than that. Disney is a typical mega corporation that is mainly concerned about money and good PR. As a result, they want to avoid controversy whenever possible. If someone associated with their brand attracts too much controversy, Disney will wash their hands of that person, regardless of political views. That’s just how they operate. Tim Allen is also openly conservative, and it was recently announced that he’s going to headline a new Santa Clause series for Disney+. That’s because unlike Gina Carano, he‘s generally able to avoid making any overtly abrasive comments regarding his conservative beliefs, thus, Disney doesn’t see him as a problem. Actually, Carano didn't tweet that message, she shared it to her stories on Instagram. She didn't compose the message either, she saw it on another account and thought it was worth sharing given the massive political divide in America. She was fired from Star Wars without her being informed about it upfront and in the same day or so her talent agency dropped her. The situation she was in didn't leave any room for an apology to be made, even if she did she would've still been fired from the franchise. The difference between what Carano and Goldberg went through actually supports the argument that has been speculated for some time that the higher ups at Lucasfilm didn't care for her and just waited till after season two of The Mandalorian to drop her. With Goldberg, Disney generally doesn't mind her because her views are pretty liberal, and they did not anticipate her to say what she got in trouble for. Allen was seen as problematic enough to not be asked to reprise his role for the Lightyear movie and the whole film felt designed to diminish Allen's work as Buzz Lightyear. The Santa Clause series is a one and done, by the way, it's not intended to spread into more seasons than just one.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 25, 2022 3:30:17 GMT
That's the thing, I don't think either should have been pressured to apologize. It's their opinions - foolish ones, yes - but that's it. There's a big difference between what people say, and what people do. People say stupid stuff all the time. They like to talk because like the cliched saying, "Talk is cheap." I'm way more concerned with what people actually do than what they say/think. Case in point: I wrote to a Star Wars actor in the early 2000's. This particular actor sent me back political stickers smearing the politician, Tony Blair. I found it strange the actor sent me that stuff. First off, I'm American. Secondly, the content of my letter was focused on Star Wars and I said nothing about politics in it. I didn't care. I don't feel the need to push to cancel the actor for it. At the end of the day, it's just his opinion. There's those now that would try to cancel him for having a different opinion, though. I find it alarming. Dangerous. Regardless of what a person says or what they do, if that person is deemed sufficiently controversial, Disney will cut ties with them. They are obsessed with maintaining their brand image, so they would rather avoid controversy whenever possible. I would agree to this, but there are instances where Disney will allow one person to act as they wish and be more judgmental of the other. Billy Eichner says a lot of hateful things on his social media (which played a factor in his film Bros bombing at the box office, I would imagine) but he will be returning to be Timon in the next Lion King film.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 25, 2022 3:31:30 GMT
Reportedly, Gina Carano actually received multiple warnings from Disney to dial it down, but she apparently didn’t listen. That last tweet was just the final straw. Also, Whoopi Goldberg apologized, Carano didn’t. Edit: To elaborate, people may think that Disney is some super woke Marxist company that hates anyone who disagrees with them, but the truth is much simpler than that. Disney is a typical mega corporation that is mainly concerned about money and good PR. As a result, they want to avoid controversy whenever possible. If someone associated with their brand attracts too much controversy, Disney will wash their hands of that person, regardless of political views. That’s just how they operate. Tim Allen is also openly conservative, and it was recently announced that he’s going to headline a new Santa Clause series for Disney+. That’s because unlike Gina Carano, he‘s generally able to avoid making any overtly abrasive comments regarding his conservative beliefs, thus, Disney doesn’t see him as a problem. ^^^THIS^^^
I don't think Carano should have been fired. I liked her.
BUT she didn't shut the fuck up either! You don't talk shit about Jews when Jews are your bosses! There's a little matter of self preservation that she obviously doesn't have. Hollywood is filled with Jews in positions of power. You want to work in Hollywood you should be smart enough to shut the fuck up about Jews. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is.
One doesn't go to Rome to talk shit about Romans!
She didn't really say anything, she shared what someone else had said. The message was that people can be manipulated to violently hate others by the higher ups in society.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 25, 2022 17:44:49 GMT
Regardless of what a person says or what they do, if that person is deemed sufficiently controversial, Disney will cut ties with them. They are obsessed with maintaining their brand image, so they would rather avoid controversy whenever possible. I would agree to this, but there are instances where Disney will allow one person to act as they wish and be more judgmental of the other. Billy Eichner says a lot of hateful things on his social media (which played a factor in his film Bros bombing at the box office, I would imagine) but he will be returning to be Timon in the next Lion King film. Billy Eichner hasn’t done anything to make him controversial on the level of Gina Carano.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 25, 2022 17:46:14 GMT
^^^THIS^^^
I don't think Carano should have been fired. I liked her.
BUT she didn't shut the fuck up either! You don't talk shit about Jews when Jews are your bosses! There's a little matter of self preservation that she obviously doesn't have. Hollywood is filled with Jews in positions of power. You want to work in Hollywood you should be smart enough to shut the fuck up about Jews. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is.
One doesn't go to Rome to talk shit about Romans!
She didn't really say anything, she shared what someone else had said. The message was that people can be manipulated to violently hate others by the higher ups in society. It’s a pretty stupid thing to share, especially when that statement itself was pretty hateful. Comparing being a conservative in America to being a Jewish person in Nazi Germany is a very idiotic and anti-Semitic take.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 25, 2022 18:39:59 GMT
I would agree to this, but there are instances where Disney will allow one person to act as they wish and be more judgmental of the other. Billy Eichner says a lot of hateful things on his social media (which played a factor in his film Bros bombing at the box office, I would imagine) but he will be returning to be Timon in the next Lion King film. Billy Eichner hasn’t done anything to make him controversial on the level of Gina Carano. Eichner said pretty loudly that he didn't want conservatives, especially those that voted for Donald J. Trump and their associates, to see his movie Bros, as well as conservatives who identify as being LGTBQ+ because he considers them to be traitors to the community, and when the movie bombed at the box office, he reasoned that it was due to homophobia in the country (Not taking into account that its budget was too large for such a movie with a very niche market, and that there were aspects in the marketing that turned a lot of people off, even homosexuals who thought it was too stereotypical). Eichner celebrated the former President of the United States and his wife getting COVID-19 in late 2020 and the passing of Rush Limbaugh, he said he wanted all those who wear "Make America Great Again" attire to burn in hell, he has trashed Christianity, and has often expressed dislike for those that do not agree with him politically in general. ^ These have all been shared in publications over the years, with his reasoning for the dismal box office to Bros being the most shared, but he is not at risk for losing any work, as mentioned before, he will be returning to voice Timon in the next Lion King film from Disney. Why should Eichner receive a pass?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 25, 2022 18:45:04 GMT
She didn't really say anything, she shared what someone else had said. The message was that people can be manipulated to violently hate others by the higher ups in society. It’s a pretty stupid thing to share, especially when that statement itself was pretty hateful. Comparing being a conservative in America to being a Jewish person in Nazi Germany is a very idiotic and anti-Semitic take. Where in the message did it make such comparison? It never specified political affiliation, it stated that politicians and propaganda can manipulate people into hating others which can set the stage for something worse down the road, this was not too far off from the message Carano had written herself in the fall of 2020 encouraging her fans not to let the media make them turn against their loved ones over different beliefs.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 25, 2022 18:48:15 GMT
Billy Eichner hasn’t done anything to make him controversial on the level of Gina Carano. Eichner said pretty loudly that he didn't want conservatives, especially those that voted for Donald J. Trump and their associates, to see his movie Bros, as well as conservatives who identify as being LGTBQ+ because he considers them to be traitors to the community, and when the movie bombed at the box office, he reasoned that it was due to homophobia in the country (Not taking into account that its budget was too large for such a movie with a very niche market, and that there were aspects in the marketing that turned a lot of people off, even homosexuals who thought it was too stereotypical). Eichner celebrated the former President of the United States and his wife getting COVID-19 in late 2020 and the passing of Rush Limbaugh, he said he wanted all those who wear "Make America Great Again" attire to burn in hell, he has trashed Christianity, and has often expressed dislike for those that do not agree with him politically in general. ^ These have all been shared in publications over the years, with his reasoning for the dismal box office to Bros being the most shared, but he is not at risk for losing any work, as mentioned before, he will be returning to voice Timon in the next Lion King film from Disney. Why should Eichner receive a pass? An actor not liking conservatives is pretty par for the course. In terms of public backlash, I’m sure how that’s comparable to Gina Carano claiming that being a conservative is like being a Jewish person in Nazi Germany. That was something that generated quite a bit of controversy, and was simply the last straw for Disney, who had repeatedly warned her to dial it down. If you want to argue that Disney fired her for being conservative, just keep in mind that there’s going to be a new Santa Clause show on Disney+ in November starring Tim Allen. Disney cut ties with Gina Carano because they saw her as detrimental to their brand. As I said many months ago, Disney likes to avoid controversy whenever possible. That’s how they operate.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 25, 2022 18:50:15 GMT
It’s a pretty stupid thing to share, especially when that statement itself was pretty hateful. Comparing being a conservative in America to being a Jewish person in Nazi Germany is a very idiotic and anti-Semitic take. Where in the message did it make such comparison? It never specified political affiliation, it stated that politicians and propaganda can manipulate people into hating others which can set the stage for something worse down the road, this was not too far off from the message Carano had written herself in the fall of 2020 encouraging her fans not to let the media make them turn against their loved ones over different beliefs. “Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?” It’s pretty obvious what the post was insinuating.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 25, 2022 19:36:36 GMT
Eichner said pretty loudly that he didn't want conservatives, especially those that voted for Donald J. Trump and their associates, to see his movie Bros, as well as conservatives who identify as being LGTBQ+ because he considers them to be traitors to the community, and when the movie bombed at the box office, he reasoned that it was due to homophobia in the country (Not taking into account that its budget was too large for such a movie with a very niche market, and that there were aspects in the marketing that turned a lot of people off, even homosexuals who thought it was too stereotypical). Eichner celebrated the former President of the United States and his wife getting COVID-19 in late 2020 and the passing of Rush Limbaugh, he said he wanted all those who wear "Make America Great Again" attire to burn in hell, he has trashed Christianity, and has often expressed dislike for those that do not agree with him politically in general. ^ These have all been shared in publications over the years, with his reasoning for the dismal box office to Bros being the most shared, but he is not at risk for losing any work, as mentioned before, he will be returning to voice Timon in the next Lion King film from Disney. Why should Eichner receive a pass? An actor not liking conservatives is pretty par for the course. In terms of public backlash, I’m sure how that’s comparable to Gina Carano claiming that being a conservative is like being a Jewish person in Nazi Germany. That was something that generated quite a bit of controversy, and was simply the last straw for Disney, who had repeatedly warned her to dial it down. If you want to argue that Disney fired her for being conservative, just keep in mind that there’s going to be a new Santa Clause show on Disney+ in November starring Tim Allen. Disney cut ties with Gina Carano because they saw her as detrimental to their brand. As I said many months ago, Disney likes to avoid controversy whenever possible. That’s how they operate. "An actor not liking conservatives is pretty par for the course." - And that makes it perfectly fine for someone like a Billy Eichner to say hateful and hurtful things about people who do not agree with him politically publicly? The way you frame this sentence gives the impression that there is some bias in the industry, which is what you are generally arguing against the thought of. Carano did not claim that being a conservative is like being a Jewish person in Nazi Germany, that was never her intention, as she has specified numerous times in interviews post her firing. Personally, as I have stated before, I am of the belief that was not really the final straw, and that Lucasfilm wanted to get rid of her but waited till after the second season of The Mandalorian was finished for the right opportunity to do so, as it follows from interviews Carano has given and what others who worked closely to the production have echoed to varying degrees, to further support the argument, she was not informed by Lucasfilm of her firing before they issued public statement, normally if one is to be fired the employee are told a day or so ahead before official comment is made to the trades. They did not even allow her the opportunity to apologize or clarify, and even if she had, the decision was made. I have already addressed The Santa Clauses that is coming to Disney+ next month - it is a mini-series that is only to last six episodes, and is designed as a passing-of-the-torch story. Beyond this mini-series, Allen doesn't appear to have anything in the works with the Disney company, and as previously stated, the film Lightyear didn't bother to ask him to reprise the role and it felt designed to diminish his impact as the character.
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