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Post by clusium on Apr 23, 2022 18:48:57 GMT
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Post by politicidal on May 3, 2022 14:39:41 GMT
They should make a new movie that goes in the opposite direction of the Cameron movie. One which entertains every 'Titanic myth' and/or conspiracy theory as to why it sank. Like that it was a mummy's curse as it was transported from Egypt or that J.P. Morgan plotted its sinking as part of some financial malfeasance. Maybe it will happen in National Treasure 3.
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Post by clusium on May 3, 2022 19:39:36 GMT
They should make a new movie that goes in the opposite direction of the Cameron movie. One which entertains every 'Titanic myth' and/or conspiracy theory as to why it sank. Like that it was a mummy's curse as it was transported from Egypt or that J.P. Morgan plotted its sinking as part of some financial malfeasance. Maybe it will happen in National Treasure 3. Julien Fellowes already did do something like that, back in 2012, for the Centennial of the Titanic's sinking.
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Post by MCDemuth on May 3, 2022 22:20:54 GMT
Mistakes? Well, Not Really. Most of what is discusses involves 20/20 hindsight...
Titanic was one of the most well built ships of it's day... There had not been any incidents that had previously happened that implied that Titanic could really sink for any reason... at least not so fast, that everyone couldn't be saved.
Keeping the ship on schedule?... Every ship does this. Nothing unique with Titanic.
The fire?... The ship was designed to have several compartments flooded and not sink... The one bunker fire, was not to blame for the sinking. If just those compartments were flooded, the ship would have stayed a float... Sadly, additional compartments, not affected by the fire, were also flooded.
Iceberg Warnings Not Taken More Seriously?... Debatable...
This would have had to have been an unusually large iceberg, that wouldn't be seen in time to avoid it, and to do unprecedented damage to this well built ship, sailing a bit further South (In a bit warmer waters) than normal... to sink it.
Who Knew?... Captain Smith's experiences during his career... didn't suggest this was a real possibility and that it should have been something to be more concerned about.
Binoculars?... Perhaps... Every situation is different. We'll never know if they would have made any difference or not.
Stopping the flow of water over the rudder?... Would it have been better to hit the iceberg at full speed, and not try to slow it down first?
Rivets?... As far as I know, every other ship being built at the time, were using the same types of rivets, and were manufactured the same way... Can't blame them for the sinking, when it was standard construction techniques at the time... (Yeah, don't apply 2022 techniques to the ancient past... The builders didn't know any better!)
Open Portholes?/Short Water Tight Bulkheads?...
Coulda.. Woulda.. Shoulda... ...For a ship that was considered to be "Practically" Unsinkable.
No one ever thought the ship would be so severely damaged, that these things would matter...
Trying to avoid the collision?... No one in their right mind would ever just let a head on collision happen, when there is a chance they could avoid it... We only know that it might have been the better choice, since we know of the damage the sideswipe actually caused...
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Post by Winter_King on May 4, 2022 10:04:48 GMT
Mistakes? Well, Not Really. Most of what is discusses involves 20/20 hindsight... Titanic was one of the most well built ships of it's day... There had not been any incidents that had previously happened that implied that Titanic could really sink for any reason... at least not so fast, that everyone couldn't be saved. Stopping the flow of water over the rudder?... Would it have been better to hit the iceberg at full speed, and not try to slow it down first? Trying to avoid the collision?... No one in their right mind would ever just let a head on collision happen, when there is a chance they could avoid it... We only know that it might have been the better choice, since we know of the damage the sideswipe actually caused... It might have been a worse choice. The impact alone would've probably killed passengers and crew. Also no guarantees of not sinking even faster. www.scienceabc.com/eyeopeners/would-rms-titanic-have-survived-if-it-had-collided-head-on-with-the-ice-berg.html
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Post by MCDemuth on May 4, 2022 17:21:28 GMT
Mistakes? Well, Not Really. Most of what is discusses involves 20/20 hindsight... Titanic was one of the most well built ships of it's day... There had not been any incidents that had previously happened that implied that Titanic could really sink for any reason... at least not so fast, that everyone couldn't be saved. Stopping the flow of water over the rudder?... Would it have been better to hit the iceberg at full speed, and not try to slow it down first? Trying to avoid the collision?... No one in their right mind would ever just let a head on collision happen, when there is a chance they could avoid it... We only know that it might have been the better choice, since we know of the damage the sideswipe actually caused... It might have been a worse choice. The impact alone would've probably killed passengers and crew. Also no guarantees of not sinking even faster. www.scienceabc.com/eyeopeners/would-rms-titanic-have-survived-if-it-had-collided-head-on-with-the-ice-berg.html Yeah, I have had similar thoughts for many years... Titanic may not have sunk in a head on collision, since the damage may have just occurred to the bow of the ship, and it was design to stay afloat with all those forward compartments flooded... But as you say, the sudden stop would have caused a lot of collateral damage... Objects all over the ship flying around creating more damage... hitting passengers and crew, and passengers and crew being slammed against parts of the ship or objects in their vicinity as well. Having a ship full of severely injured people?... And what if the damage to the ship was still so severe that it would have still sunk?... Imagine all those 700+ people who survived the sinking, trying to get in those lifeboats with broken arms and legs, and bleeding from cuts and other wounds... and somehow, I think there would have even been fewer survivors... Not to mention, the now injured crew members failing to launch the lifeboats... because they're to injured to do so... Yeah, ramming the ship head on into the iceberg may sound good, on paper... But in reality, that would most likely produce a far worse outcome.
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