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Post by masterofallgoons on May 11, 2022 15:38:26 GMT
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it existed and was discussed as a basic movie trope across genres previously, but that it was more specifically attributed to horror and even more specifically slasher movies after Scream 2. That's not the same thing as saying no black character ever died in any movie ever before then. And again, seeing those 2 characters with pointed racial dialogue die in the opening sequence, and then the commentary from the camera guy later seems to make that point. Whether ad libbed or not, and even whether intentional or not, it's there, and I think it affects the perception of the commentary is. Whatever anybody said about Saving Private Ryan or in Canadian Bacon is not, in my mind, what makes people talk about this specifically when talking about slasher movies. And to the last point, I don't think that's ironic at all. With more and more people pointing out such a trope, I bet there was an effort to specifically avoid giving people fodder to make that critique. So I guess you and I are more or less on the same page and this dialogue has been somewhat pointless. I said it was already a general trope (thus the references to SPR and Canadian Bacon) that one way or another got attributed to horror movies specifically. Scream 2 being the second highest grossing slasher ever at the time certainly could have played a part in that. The one area we apparently disagree is how knowingly Scream 2 was doing it. You seem ride or die that the opening was a parody or lampshading of the trope, and I suppose in the Looking Glass universe, "dumbass white movie about dumbass white girls getting their white asses cut the fuck up" would translate to "black guy dies first". I said it was ironic, not that it didn't make sense. I thought so too, and I even said that we were saying pretty much the same thing several posts ago. I'm apparently not explaining myself very well though, so maybe that's my fault. I think it was clear what they were doing in Scream 2, based on how that was portrayed in the beginning whether the dialogue points it out directly, I think it was the way it played out and the later dialogue from the camera; and again, whether it was entirely intentional or not from the get go, I'd imagine Craven and Williamson at least had an idea of the implication. And, even if they didn't, Scream was one of the springboards to the general public discussing and picking apart movie tropes, so to me it feels like Scream 2 is where people at large starting applying the common trope of the black guy being dispensable in movies across genres, and specifically applying that to slashers. And irony would mean the discrepancy between what is expected and what happens, and that's pretty much in line with what I would expect.
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