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Post by Lux on May 14, 2022 18:07:30 GMT
Funnily enough that would've probably suited the madness of the film because of the casting. Daniel Craig has never struck anyone as the humble scientist type but why should that matter he's British. John was perfect obviously the casting director is a Bond fan.
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Post by Skaathar on May 14, 2022 19:46:10 GMT
So can we say Wanda is officially one of the best villains in superhero movies? Joining the ranks of other great villains like Thanos, Joker, Loki, Killmonger, etc.?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 14, 2022 22:00:15 GMT
So can we say Wanda is officially one of the best villains in superhero movies? Joining the ranks of other great villains like Thanos, Joker, Loki, Killmonger, etc.? lol Nicholson, Ledger, Leto, and Phoenix were all Academy Award winning actors no other super villain portrayals come anywhere close to theirs
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Post by Nicko's Nose on May 14, 2022 22:08:51 GMT
So can we say Wanda is officially one of the best villains in superhero movies? Joining the ranks of other great villains like Thanos, Joker, Loki, Killmonger, etc.? lol Nicholson, Ledger, Leto, and Phoenix were all Academy Award winning actors no other super villain portrayals come anywhere close to theirs Except Leto was a godawful Joker.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 14, 2022 22:09:48 GMT
lol Nicholson, Ledger, Leto, and Phoenix were all Academy Award winning actors no other super villain portrayals come anywhere close to theirs Except Leto was a godawful Joker. fair point!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 23:19:50 GMT
So can we say Wanda is officially one of the best villains in superhero movies? Joining the ranks of other great villains like Thanos, Joker, Loki, Killmonger, etc.? lol Nicholson, Ledger, Leto, and Phoenix were all Academy Award winning actors no other super villain portrayals come anywhere close to theirs What about William DeFoo’s Green Gobbler?
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Post by Nalkarj on May 15, 2022 0:52:19 GMT
Saw this today. I’ll probably post some more comments later, but I just wanted to say about the WandaVision thing, I think this movie would work better for a viewer who hasn’t seen the show. Wanda’s turn doesn’t make any sense in light of WandaVision.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 1:26:55 GMT
Saw this today. I’ll probably post some more comments later, but I just wanted to say about the WandaVision thing, I think this movie would work better for a viewer who hasn’t seen the show. Wanda’s turn doesn’t make any sense in light of WandaVision. Right?! I probably would’ve enjoyed this movie so much more if I wasn’t aware of the show. And… if the show had never existed the screenwriter here would’ve had to actually set Wanda up as a villain instead of just assuming it was taken care of already.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 15, 2022 3:43:43 GMT
To my surprise I didn’t like this movie much at all. Did I have too-high expectations? Did I really think Sam Raimi would pull off a piece of personal pop art in the MCU? I guess I was expecting something like Drag Me to Hell, where the story seems studio-safe but the filmmaking is so stylized and unusual that you can tell someone interesting is behind the camera.
What I got were individual moments that I liked: Strange’s suit turning into a costume as he jumps from a balcony, Starro attacking a building and then tumbling down à la King Kong, the introduction to hat world, Bruce Campbell, the lovely spookiness in Wanda’s house before she takes possession of her alternate self, the Looney Tunes music battle, zombie Strange. Re: zombie Strange, “who said they have to be alive?” was also a nice bit of screenwriting—an example of the “small surprises” I’m always going on about.
But they were just moments. They were stuck between globs of filler, nonexistent characterizations, an irritating kid sidekick, and shockingly pointless cameos. Benedict Cumberbatch is fine, I guess, but he seems so bland, just some generic hero type. I usually love Rachel McAdams, but she has nothing to do here. The best performance in the thing is from, no surprise, Elizabeth Olsen, but the writing for her is awful—a face-heel turn that makes no sense and doesn’t at all fit her WandaVision backstory. Needing to see WandaVision to understand this movie would be annoying enough, but as I wrote above I think this movie would actually work better for someone who hasn’t seen WandaVision. The two are so far removed from each other as to seem like they take place in, you know I gotta say it, different universes.
I did enjoy this more than Spider-Man: No Way Home, not to mention the unwatchable Spider-Man: Far From Home. But I found it just such CGI gallimaufry in search of a story. I was so disappointed; give me Spider-Man 3, which has personality and emotion, any day.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 5:01:45 GMT
To my surprise I didn’t like this movie much at all. Did I have too-high expectations? Did I really think Sam Raimi would pull off a piece of personal pop art in the MCU? I guess I was expecting something like Drag Me to Hell, where the story seems studio-safe but the filmmaking is so stylized and unusual that you can tell someone interesting is behind the camera. What I got were individual moments that I liked: Strange’s suit turning into a costume as he jumps from a balcony, Starro attacking a building and then tumbling down à la King Kong, the introduction to hat world, Bruce Campbell, the lovely spookiness in Wanda’s house before she takes possession of her alternate self, the Looney Tunes music battle, zombie Strange. Re: zombie Strange, “who said they have to be alive?” was also a nice bit of screenwriting—an example of the “small surprises” I’m always going on about. But they were just moments. They were stuck between globs of filler, nonexistent characterizations, an irritating kid sidekick, and shockingly pointless cameos. Benedict Cumberbatch is fine, I guess, but he seems so bland, just some generic hero type. I usually love Rachel McAdams, but she has nothing to do here. The best performance in the thing is from, no surprise, Elizabeth Olsen, but the writing for her is awful—a face-heel that makes no sense and doesn’t at all fit her WandaVision backstory. Needing to see WandaVision to understand this movie would be annoying enough, but as I wrote above I think this movie would actually work better for someone who hasn’t seen WandaVision. The two are so far removed from each other as to seem like they take place in, you know I gotta say it, different universes. I did enjoy this more than Spider-Man: No Way Home, not to mention the unwatchable Spider-Man: Far From Home. But I found it just such CGI gallimaufry in search of a story. I was so disappointed; give me Spider-Man 3, which has personality and emotion, any day. Though I did like it a bit more than you did I have to say you have perfectly articulated my issues with this movie. It does indeed feel like moments of pure glorious Raiminess shine through what is otherwise a very standard MCU movie. In fact, this movie may have some of the worst MCUisms of the entire MCU: forced awkward connections to other movies (and tv shows now. ), very obvious studio mandates (here in the form of pointless cameos), emphasis on spectacle over character development. I don’t want to lay the blame on Marvel Studios entirely because I give them full credit for allowing Raimi to go full Raimi for certain sequences, and the screenwriter was certainly to blame for most of the flaws. I just really really wanted this to be a Raimi classic in the same vain as his Spider-Man trilogy. And there were only flashes of that here.
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Post by darkpast on May 15, 2022 5:42:31 GMT
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Post by Lux on May 15, 2022 14:07:57 GMT
To my surprise I didn’t like this movie much at all. Did I have too-high expectations? Did I really think Sam Raimi would pull off a piece of personal pop art in the MCU? I guess I was expecting something like Drag Me to Hell, where the story seems studio-safe but the filmmaking is so stylized and unusual that you can tell someone interesting is behind the camera. What I got were individual moments that I liked: Strange’s suit turning into a costume as he jumps from a balcony, Starro attacking a building and then tumbling down à la King Kong, the introduction to hat world, Bruce Campbell, the lovely spookiness in Wanda’s house before she takes possession of her alternate self, the Looney Tunes music battle, zombie Strange. Re: zombie Strange, “who said they have to be alive?” was also a nice bit of screenwriting—an example of the “small surprises” I’m always going on about. But they were just moments. They were stuck between globs of filler, nonexistent characterizations, an irritating kid sidekick, and shockingly pointless cameos. Benedict Cumberbatch is fine, I guess, but he seems so bland, just some generic hero type. I usually love Rachel McAdams, but she has nothing to do here. The best performance in the thing is from, no surprise, Elizabeth Olsen, but the writing for her is awful—a face-heel turn that makes no sense and doesn’t at all fit her WandaVision backstory. Needing to see WandaVision to understand this movie would be annoying enough, but as I wrote above I think this movie would actually work better for someone who hasn’t seen WandaVision. The two are so far removed from each other as to seem like they take place in, you know I gotta say it, different universes. I did enjoy this more than Spider-Man: No Way Home, not to mention the unwatchable Spider-Man: Far From Home. But I found it just such CGI gallimaufry in search of a story. I was so disappointed; give me Spider-Man 3, which has personality and emotion, any day. Actually the kid sidekick wasn't that irritating she had a few funny lines she was Tony Stark compared to Scarlet's annoying alternate universe children. The monster wasn't Starro that's owned by another comic book company. Benedict Cumberbatch isn't Madonna he's not going to act crazy just to entertain you his performance was just fine. That's why you got his crazier versions to satisfy the need for versatility.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 15, 2022 15:15:34 GMT
To my surprise I didn’t like this movie much at all. Did I have too-high expectations? Did I really think Sam Raimi would pull off a piece of personal pop art in the MCU? I guess I was expecting something like Drag Me to Hell, where the story seems studio-safe but the filmmaking is so stylized and unusual that you can tell someone interesting is behind the camera. What I got were individual moments that I liked: Strange’s suit turning into a costume as he jumps from a balcony, Starro attacking a building and then tumbling down à la King Kong, the introduction to hat world, Bruce Campbell, the lovely spookiness in Wanda’s house before she takes possession of her alternate self, the Looney Tunes music battle, zombie Strange. Re: zombie Strange, “who said they have to be alive?” was also a nice bit of screenwriting—an example of the “small surprises” I’m always going on about. But they were just moments. They were stuck between globs of filler, nonexistent characterizations, an irritating kid sidekick, and shockingly pointless cameos. Benedict Cumberbatch is fine, I guess, but he seems so bland, just some generic hero type. I usually love Rachel McAdams, but she has nothing to do here. The best performance in the thing is from, no surprise, Elizabeth Olsen, but the writing for her is awful—a face-heel turn that makes no sense and doesn’t at all fit her WandaVision backstory. Needing to see WandaVision to understand this movie would be annoying enough, but as I wrote above I think this movie would actually work better for someone who hasn’t seen WandaVision. The two are so far removed from each other as to seem like they take place in, you know I gotta say it, different universes. I did enjoy this more than Spider-Man: No Way Home, not to mention the unwatchable Spider-Man: Far From Home. But I found it just such CGI gallimaufry in search of a story. I was so disappointed; give me Spider-Man 3, which has personality and emotion, any day. Actually the kid sidekick wasn't that irritating she had a few funny lines she was Tony Stark compared to Scarlet's annoying alternate universe children. The monster wasn't Starro that's owned by another comic book company. Benedict Cumberbatch isn't Madonna he's not going to act crazy just to entertain you his performance was just fine. That's why you got his crazier versions to satisfy the need for versatility.
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Post by Jason143 on May 15, 2022 16:55:02 GMT
Few youtubers saying this scene was woke. I didnt realize it at the time though. Wanda kills the 2 men easily but the 2 women Illuminati members give her more trouble, especially one that only has a shield. Anyone else agree
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Post by Lux on May 15, 2022 18:01:14 GMT
Few youtubers saying this scene was woke. I didnt realize it at the time though. Wanda kills the 2 men easily but the 2 women Illuminati members give her more trouble, especially one that only has a shield. Anyone else agree Because it was woke. Honestly the worst scene in the MCU next to the Eddie Brock scene in NWH. So obvious it hurt.
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Post by Jason143 on May 15, 2022 18:51:05 GMT
Few youtubers saying this scene was woke. I didnt realize it at the time though. Wanda kills the 2 men easily but the 2 women Illuminati members give her more trouble, especially one that only has a shield. Anyone else agree Because it was woke. Honestly the worst scene in the MCU next to the Eddie Brock scene in NWH. So obvious it hurt. I didnt notice at first but when it was brought up I clicked to how stupid it was. Especially killing Mr Fantastic so easily by turning him into melted string cheese. Isnt that his own powers anyway, why would it kill him?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 15, 2022 19:01:33 GMT
"Woke" lmao
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 15, 2022 19:04:55 GMT
lol Nicholson, Ledger, Leto, and Phoenix were all Academy Award winning actors no other super villain portrayals come anywhere close to theirs What about William DeFoo’s Green Gobbler? I FORGOT ABOUT HIM !!!!!1
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Post by Lux on May 15, 2022 19:21:08 GMT
Don't play stupid you know it was woke. You can still enjoy the scene at the same time acknowledging it was woke too the two aren't mutually exclusive.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 19:28:29 GMT
What about William DeFoo’s Green Gobbler? I FORGOT ABOUT HIM !!!!!1 That boy good. That boy real good!
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