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Post by zoilus on May 25, 2017 17:26:14 GMT
A quantum physicist says Marvel’s Ant-Man could defeat DC’s Superman in a real-world battle because the microscopic character has no limitations. Released in 2015, the miniscule Ant-Man carved out a large stake at the box office, earning $180.2 domestically and $339.1 million internationally for a staggering global take of $519.3 million. A more obscure character in the Marvel Comics in relation to the likes of Spider-Man and Captain America, the introduction of the Scott Lang/Ant-Man (Paul Rudd) came as a refreshing take on the genre, where even the smallest of superheroes can have a huge impact. As it turns out, Ant-Man may wield more power than anyone could have ever imagined – even more than the legendary Man of Steel. In an interview, California Institute of Technology quantum physicist Dr. Spiros Michalakis discussed being a science consultant on the Ant-Man movie, when the subject of the character’s true power came up. Speaking of his contributions to Ant-Man, Michalakis told Inverse: “When I was looking to inject elements of modern physics into the script, I brought up this idea that, when Ant-Man goes into the Microverse and something malfunctions, he doesn’t just go to just a smaller space like Fantastic Voyage, (he goes to a step beyond the Proteus) … This is a place where the nature of reality changes around you. So, when you enter the quantum realm, its different set of laws takes hold.” Posed the question about who would Ant-Man and Superman were to go head-to-head, Michalakis says that if all superheroes were real, including the Man of Steel, they would behave to the laws of physics. And while the Kryptonian defies the laws of human science, Michalakis says he’s still working within Earth’s limitations, while Ant-Man is not – which ultimately gives him greater strength. Since Michalakis’ theories will come off as scientific gobbledygook to most everybody apart from other quantum physicists, fans will just have to take his word for it; that is, unless they’re Marvel or DC purists, whom will have their own arguments as to who would win and why. Of course, since the chances DC/Marvel crossover movie of any kind (much less one involving Ant-Man and Superman) are non-existent, fans will never get a chance to see Michalakis’ Ant-Man/Superman scenario play out. One nevertheless wonders how the Man of Steel would respond, if he were to battle Ant-Man and the latter, say, suddenly transformed into Giant-Man, like he did during Captain America: Civil War. screenrant.com/ant-man-superman-fight-physics/
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 25, 2017 17:36:37 GMT
LOL! Let's see how fast Superman fanboys tool up! No disrespect of course.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 26, 2017 2:50:26 GMT
Dr. Spiros Michalakis discussed being a science consultant on the Ant-Man movie So he's a science consultant on a movie, similar to how Professor Marlow was a science consultant on DeflateGate. Yet you dismiss Professor Marlow's expert testimony while embracing this nutjob's opinion. Was this nutjob Michalakis the one who came up with the idea of flying ants in the Ant-Man movie? Posed the question about who would Ant-Man and Superman were to go head-to-head, Michalakis says that if all superheroes were real, including the Man of Steel, they would behave to the laws of physics. Is Michalakis the nutjob who came up with the idea that ants could fly under the laws of physics? while the Kryptonian defies the laws of human science, Michalakis says he’s still working within Earth’s limitations, while Ant-Man is not – which ultimately gives him greater strength. No, Superman has no limitations on Earth because Superman is Kryptonian, not human. The laws of physics on Earth don't apply to Kryptonians. That's why Superman can fly without an obvious mechanism that generates lift. Birds and planes generate the necessary lift to fly using their wings. Helicopters generate the necessary lift to fly using their propellors. Superman flies without an obvious mechanism that generates lift because the laws of physics on Earth don't apply to Kryptonians.
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Post by zoilus on May 26, 2017 3:46:59 GMT
So he's a science consultant on a movie, similar to how Professor Marlow was a science consultant on DeflateGate. Yet you dismiss Professor Marlow's expert testimony while embracing this nutjob's opinion. Was this nutjob Michalakis the one who came up with the idea of flying ants in the Ant-Man movie? Is Michalakis the nutjob who came up with the idea that ants could fly under the laws of physics? No, Superman has no limitations on Earth because Superman is Kryptonian, not human. The laws of physics on Earth don't apply to Kryptonians. That's why Superman can fly without an obvious mechanism that generates lift. Birds and planes generate the necessary lift to fly using their wings. Helicopters generate the necessary lift to fly using their propellors. Superman flies without an obvious mechanism that generates lift because the laws of physics on Earth don't apply to Kryptonians. Parts of Exponent's report are demonstrably fraudulent. Big difference. There is such a thing as flying ants. Superman still has limitations. Laws of physics apply to him, they're just different than what's understood.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 26, 2017 4:29:39 GMT
Parts of Exponent's report are demonstrably fraudulent. Big difference. So you're claiming to know more about physics than Professor Marlow, a Physics Professor and former Chairman of the Department of Physics at Princeton University? I'll trust Professor Marlow's expertise before your biased and wrong claims. Laws of physics apply to him Nope. When a Kryptonian can move at near light speed, use X-Ray vision to see through walls, and fly without an obvious mechanism for generating lift, that's a pretty obvious sign that the laws of physics on Earth don't apply to Kryptonians. So the answer is No. Ant-Man is just a human on Earth. And no human on Earth can defeat Superman without using Kryptonian weapons or magic.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 26, 2017 5:04:55 GMT
*rushes to make another poll thread*
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Post by zoilus on May 26, 2017 14:24:45 GMT
So you're claiming to know more about physics than Professor Marlow, a Physics Professor and former Chairman of the Department of Physics at Princeton University? I'll trust Professor Marlow's expertise before your biased and wrong claims. Nope. When a Kryptonian can move at near light speed, use X-Ray vision to see through walls, and fly without an obvious mechanism for generating lift, that's a pretty obvious sign that the laws of physics on Earth don't apply to Kryptonians. So the answer is No. Ant-Man is just a human on Earth. And no human on Earth can defeat Superman without using Kryptonian weapons or magic. No I'm not claiming to know more about physics than Marlow - although I do know quite a bit. I'm claiming he was being dishonest when he said Exponent did everything right. Funny that you call my claims biased when Marlow was hired by Wells who was in turn hired by Goodell. Marlow said what he was paid to say. Laws of physics always apply, it's just that the laws of physics in comic books are different. Wildly different, but still laws. He needs magic eh? Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Since Ant-Man has technology that can shrink him down to sub-atomic size, or grow as large as...I don't know, a couple hundred feet anyway, I'd say that qualifies.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on May 26, 2017 16:15:57 GMT
*rushes to make another poll thread*
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 16:53:15 GMT
Wouldnt Ant-man just shrinking between the pores of Supes skin and than enlarging himself to Giant-man do the trick?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 26, 2017 18:12:47 GMT
LOL, DC-Fan continues to prove he knows nothing about comics, Marvel OR DC( His favorite company, hence his username, though he'll deny it and say its the Dallas Cowboys).
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Post by DC-Fan on May 27, 2017 8:24:51 GMT
Funny that you call my claims biased when Marlow was hired by Wells who was in turn hired by Goodell.
Irrelevant. A Public Defender is hired by the state. Does the Public Defender do what the D.A. wants?
Nope. Someone has to pay for the salary of the Public Defender. The state takes responsibility for that. But that doesn't mean the Public Defender has to do what the D.A. wants.
Likewise, someone has to pay for Marlow's consultation time. The Patriots weren't going to pay. So the NFL took responsibility for that. But that doesn't mean Marlow has to say what the NFL wants him to say.
The state pays for the Public Defender (which the defendant isn't able to pay for) to ensure that the defendant gets a fair trial. Likewise, the NFL paid for Marlow's consultation time (which the Patriots weren't going to pay for) to ensure that the investigation is reviewed by a highly-respected independent and unbiased expert.
In fact, Marlow wasn't hired by Wells to endorse Exponent's findings. Marlow was hired by Wells to play Devil's Advocate and poke holes in Exponent's findings. So that destroys your entire argument that Marlow was told to endorse Exponent's findings. Marlow's job was to poke holes in Exponent's findings, but Marlow reviewed Exponent's findings and concluded that they were sound and had no holes. Like I said before, I'll trust Professor Marlow's unbiased expertise over your biased and incorrect claims any day.
Laws of physics always apply, it's just that the laws of physics in comic books are different. That's my point. Your quantum physicist is trying to apply Earth's laws of physics to Superman, but Earth's laws of physics don't apply to Kryptonians. Earth's laws of physics say that a man can't move faster than a speeding bullet, can't fly without a mechanism to generate lift, and can't use X-Ray vision to see through walls. Superman can do all those things because Earth's laws of physics don't apply to Kryptonians. Therefore, your quantum physicists' analysis is flawed and invalid. He needs magic eh? Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Since Ant-Man has technology that can shrink him down to sub-atomic size, or grow as large as...I don't know, a couple hundred feet anyway, I'd say that qualifies. Nope. You just admitted that Ant-Man's shrinking and growing can be explained by technology. If it can be explained by technology, then it's not magic.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 27, 2017 8:27:07 GMT
Wouldnt Ant-man just shrinking between the pores of Supes skin and than enlarging himself to Giant-man do the trick? No, because Ant-Man wouldn't be able to enlarge himself inside Superman. Superman's internal organs are also invulnerable.
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Post by zoilus on May 27, 2017 14:43:13 GMT
Irrelevant. A Public Defender is hired by the state. Does the Public Defender do what the D.A. wants?
That analogy failed before and it fails again. This is Goodell we're talking about. In fact, Marlow wasn't hired by Wells to endorse Exponent's findings. Marlow was hired by Wells to play Devil's Advocate and poke holes in Exponent's findings.
I and others found holes in Exponent's findings. Therefore Marlow is either incompetent or dishonest. Your appeal to authority fallacy will never not be fallacious. That's my point. Your quantum physicist is trying to apply Earth's laws of physics to Superman, but Earth's laws of physics don't apply to Kryptonians. They apply, they're just different than the real laws of physics. If they didn't apply, they wouldn't be laws. Nope. You just admitted that Ant-Man's shrinking and growing can be explained by technology. If it can be explained by technology, then it's not magic. In this case the technology is magic because it's unrealistic. The tech works because it works. Hence, magic.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 27, 2017 18:47:18 GMT
That analogy failed before and it fails again. This is Goodell we're talking about. That analogy didn't fail. That analogy is a perfect example of someone who gets paid to do an independent job and doesn't have to answer to the person paying him. Public Defenders don't answer to the D.A. The special prosecutor in the WaterGate investigation didn't have to answer to the President (Nixon was forced to resign, remember?). And Professor Marlow didn't have to answer to Goodell. The NFL footed the bill for Professor Marlow to independently review Exponent's work and give his independent and unbiased conclusions because the Patriots didn't want to pay for it (because the Patriots were afraid of an independent and unbiased expert reviewing the evidence). But similar a Public Defender (who works independent of the D.A. and doesn't have to answer to the D.A.), Professor Marlow did his work independent of the NFL and didn't have to answer to Goodell or the NFL. In fact, Marlow wasn't hired by Wells to endorse Exponent's findings. Marlow was hired by Wells to play Devil's Advocate and poke holes in Exponent's findings. But Professor Marlow reviewed Exponent's findings thoroughly and found no holes in it. [/p][/quote]I and others found holes in Exponent's findings. Therefore Marlow is either incompetent or dishonest.[/quote] So you are claiming that you know more than Professor Marlow, a Physics Professor and former Chairman of the Department of Physics at Princeton University. That's pretty arrogant and cocky, typical of arrogant Patriots fans. In this case the technology is magic because it's unrealistic. The tech works because it works. Hence, magic. It's not magic. Tens of thousands of years ago, a caveman might've thought that cell phones were magical devices. But we all know that there's nothing magical about cell phones. Same with the Ant-Man suit. There's nothing magical about it. It's just a piece of technology developed on Earth. And since Superman is invulnerable to Earth technology and weapons, Superman is invulnerable to the Ant-Man suit.
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Post by zoilus on May 27, 2017 19:01:03 GMT
That analogy didn't fail. Yes it did. For your point to be valid, Goodell would have to be incorruptible. So you are claiming that you know more than Professor Marlow, a Physics Professor and former Chairman of the Department of Physics at Princeton University. Not more no, but enough to know he's wrong in saying Exponent did everything right. As I already said, he's either incompetent or dishonest. It has nothing to do with one of us knowing more than the other. Magic. Movie magic. Non-specific science made up for a movie. What's the difference?
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Post by DC-Fan on May 27, 2017 19:16:50 GMT
Yes it did. For your point to be valid, Goodell would have to be incorruptible. No, because Professor Marlow wasn't corrupt. Nixon was corrupt, but the special prosecutor wasn't corrupt. So even though Nixon was corrupt, the special prosecutor still conducted his investigation independent of the White House and didn't answer to the President. Same with Professor Marlow. Professor Marlow is highly-respected Professor at a highly-respected Ivy League university so Professor Marlow wasn't corrupt and he conducted his review and analysis independent of the NFL and didn't answer to the NFL or Goodell. Magic. Movie magic. Non-specific science made up for a movie. What's the difference? The difference is the non-specific science is still science and not magic.
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Post by zoilus on May 27, 2017 19:23:27 GMT
No, because Professor Marlow wasn't corrupt. As stated, he's either incompetent or dishonest. Exponent's report is demonstrably flawed and he approved it. Goodell hired Wells, Wells hired Marlow. Goodell paid Wells and Wells' expenses, which includes Exponent and Marlow. Ergo, Marlow was paid by Goodell. The difference is the non-specific science is still science and not magic. It's not real science though, so it's effectively magic.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 27, 2017 21:14:50 GMT
Goodell paid Wells and Wells' expenses, which includes Exponent and Marlow. Ergo, Marlow was paid by Goodell. Once again, irrelevant. The state pays the Public Defender's salary and expenses. Ergo, the Public Defender is paid by the state. But the Public Defender doesn't have to answer to the D.A. The Public Defender gets paid by the state only because the defendant can't pay, but the Public Defender works independent of the D.A.'s office and doesn't have to answer to the D.A. Same with Professor Marlow. Professor Marlow didn't have to answer to the NFL or Goodell. The NFL paid for the independent investigation only because the Patriots didn't want to pay for an independent investigation (because the Patriots were afraid of an independent investigation), but Professor Marlow worked independent of the NFL and didn't have to answer to the NFL or Goodell. So I'e completely debunked your lame excuse. Bottom line: Professor Marlow confirmed that Brady cheated. It's not real science though, so it's effectively magic. No, it's not magic. It's either science/technology or it isn't. Cavemen from tens thousands of years ago might think that cell phones are magic, but we know that cell phones are just science/technology. Ergo, cell phones aren't magic, even if cavemen from tens of thousands of years might think so. Similarly, the Ant-Man suit is just science/technology. Ergo, the Ant-Man suit isn't magic, even if dumb-ass MCU fans like you want to believe it's magic. Therefore, since the Ant-Man suit is nothing more than human technology and since Superman is invulnerable to human technology and human weapons, Superman is invulnerable to the Ant-Man suit.
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Post by zoilus on May 27, 2017 21:43:27 GMT
I know how much you like to label 'irrelevant' the things you don't like but your say so doesn't make it so. Goodell hired Wells. Relevant. Wells did what Goodell wanted him to. Relevant. Wells hired people who could and would do what he - and thus Goodell - wanted. Relevant. If a DA - or Goodell - wants to put his finger on the scale to make sure someone is found guilty or not guilty through the use of intermediary agents, they can. You're just pretending Goodell and Wells and Exponent and Marlow are incorruptible. That's not a valid argument. The fact is that Exponent's report has flawed science. Since Marlow approved of it, he's therefore incompetent or dishonest. Therefore, since the Ant-Man suit is nothing more than human technology and since Superman is invulnerable to human technology and human weapons, Superman is invulnerable to the Ant-Man suit. Since this is about comic books which are not real, it's not that simple. Anything can defeat Superman as long as the person writing the story says so. If a writer says quantum mechanics combined with comic book technology can hurt Superman, then quantum mechanics combined with comic book technology can hurt Superman. The 'magic' in this context is the sufficiently advanced technology which no real person can understand because it doesn't have a real basis in science and is thus indistinguishable from magic.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 28, 2017 2:40:56 GMT
Goodell hired Wells. Relevant. Still irrelevant. The state hired the Public Defender. But the Public Defender works independent of the D.A.'s office and doesn't have to answer to the D.A. Likewise, Wells worked independent of the NFL and didn't have to answer to the NFL or Goodell. The only reason the NFL paid Wells to conduct the independent and unbiased investigation was because someone has to pay and the Patriots didn't want to pay for an independent and unbiased investigation so the NFL had to foot the bill for it in order to ensure that there was an independent and unbiased investigation. In fact, not only is the Public Defender analogy a great analogy, but here's an even better analogy. Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez was arrested and charged with the murder of Odin Lloyd. Under the Constitution, Hernandez has the constitutional right to a trial by jury. But Hernandez didn't pay for his trial. The state paid for Hernandez trial. The state paid for the salaries of the judge, the clerk, the bailiff. The state paid for the tables and chairs in the courtroom and paid for the cost of electricity so the lights could be turned on in the courtroom. The state even pays a stipend to the jurors. Does that mean the jurors have to come back with the verdict that the state wants? Now do you realize how dumb and irrelevant your argument about the NFL paying for the Wells investigation is?
The jurors in the Hernandez murder trial were paid by the state, but they didn't have to come back with the verdict that the state wanted and could reach their verdict independently. Likewise, Wells and Marlow didn't have to come back with the verdict or finding that the NFL or Goodell wanted and could reach their verdict or finding independently.
So your lame argument has been completely debunked.Wells did what Goodell wanted him to. Relevant. Nope. Like I said, just as the jurors in the Hernandez murder trial (who were paid a stipend by the state) didn't have to come back with the verdict that the state wanted, Wells didn't have to come back with the verdict that the NFL or Goodell wanted. So still irrelevant. Wells hired people who could and would do what he - and thus Goodell - wanted. Relevant. Nope. Like I said, just as the jurors in the Hernandez murder trial (who were paid a stipend by the state) didn't have to come back with the verdict that the state wanted, Wells didn't have to come back with the verdict that the NFL or Goodell wanted. So still irrelevant. If a DA - or Goodell - wants to put his finger on the scale to make sure someone is found guilty or not guilty through the use of intermediary agents, they can. No, a D.A. can't do that. That's jury tampering and is illegal. D.A's don't do that and Goodell didn't do that either. You're just pretending Goodell and Wells and Exponent and Marlow are incorruptible. Wells isn't corrupt. Even Robert Kraft himself praised Wells for his independence and integrity when Wells was hired to conduct the independent investigation into DeflateGate. And the fact that Wells cleared Belicheat of any wrongdoing in DeflateGate clearly proves that Wells was unbised and objective in his investigation and his findings. And Professor Marlow isn't corrupt. Professor Marlow is a highly-respected Professor of Physics at a highly-respected Ivy League university. Princeton is 1 of the most prestigious universities in the country so I doubt that they would let someone who is corrupt be the Chairman of their Department of Physics. Anything can defeat Superman as long as the person writing the story says so. If a writer says quantum mechanics combined with comic book technology can hurt Superman, then quantum mechanics combined with comic book technology can hurt Superman. And it's already been written and established through decades of comics that Superman is invulnerable to human techology and weapons. It's similar to how it was established by the writers of Greek mythology that any living creature that looks directly at the face of Medusa turns to stone. That's why Perseus was able to use Medusa to turn the Kraken into stone - because it was already established the writers of Greek mythology that would happen. So we're never going to find another story in Greek mythology where someone looks directly at the face of Medusa and doesn't turn to stone. The 'magic' in this context is the sufficiently advanced technology which no real person can understand because it doesn't have a real basis in science and is thus indistinguishable from magic. Nope. Like I said before, tens of thousands of years ago cavemen wouldn't be able to understand the technology that allows people to communicate on a cell phone with someone several thousand miles away. But that doesn't make cell phones "magical". We know that cell phones are just technology and there's nothing magical about cell phones. Same with the Ant-Man suit. It's just technology and there's nothing magical about it. So since the Ant-Man suit is just technology and no magic and since Superman is invulnerable to human technology and weapons, ergo Superman is invulnerable to the Ant-Man suit.
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