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Post by clusium on May 8, 2022 15:15:12 GMT
Bring Flowers, the fairest, bring flowers the rarest,....
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Post by NJtoTX on May 15, 2022 19:17:36 GMT
Do most people think Mother Mary in Let It Be is her?
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Post by clusium on May 15, 2022 21:53:20 GMT
Do most people think Mother Mary in Let It Be is her? Well, it is often sung in honour of her, however, Paul McCartney was singing about his own mother of the same name (& of course, she was probably named for Blessed Mary).
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Post by Sarge on May 17, 2022 2:38:08 GMT
If Mary and Joseph were married, why was Mary still a virgin?
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Post by clusium on May 17, 2022 3:17:03 GMT
If Mary and Joseph were married, why was Mary still a virgin? Because Christ Is her Only Child. St. Joseph's role in the Holy Family was to give Our Lord His Davidic lineage.
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Post by Sarge on May 17, 2022 5:27:44 GMT
If Mary and Joseph were married, why was Mary still a virgin? Because Christ Is her Only Child. St. Joseph's role in the Holy Family was to give Our Lord His Davidic lineage. Jesus had a brother named James that became a religious leader, and other brothers and sisters. Virgin means having your cherry popped, so birth doesn't answer the question. That's not how marriage works. I know there are all kinds of apologist explanations but as far as I know, they are all just made up. The story is Joseph and Mary travelled to Bethlehem for a census, so they were of age and married. The census is a different problem because we know it didn't work that way.
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Post by clusium on May 17, 2022 5:46:42 GMT
Because Christ Is her Only Child. St. Joseph's role in the Holy Family was to give Our Lord His Davidic lineage. Jesus had a brother named James that became a religious leader, and other brothers and sisters. Virgin means having your cherry popped, so birth doesn't answer the question. That's not how marriage works. I know there are all kinds of apologist explanations but as far as I know, they are all just made up. The story is Joseph and Mary travelled to Bethlehem for a census, so they were of age and married. The census is a different problem because we know it didn't work that way. St. James was Our Lord's cousin. In those days, first-generation cousins were counted as brothers & sisters. In the Gospels, he is identified as "the son of Alphaeaus."
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Post by Winter_King on May 17, 2022 11:21:05 GMT
If Mary and Joseph were married, why was Mary still a virgin? More importantly, would they stay married if Joseph wasn't getting some?
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Post by Winter_King on May 17, 2022 11:22:40 GMT
Because Christ Is her Only Child. St. Joseph's role in the Holy Family was to give Our Lord His Davidic lineage. Jesus had a brother named James that became a religious leader, and other brothers and sisters. Virgin means having your cherry popped, so birth doesn't answer the question. That's not how marriage works. I know there are all kinds of apologist explanations but as far as I know, they are all just made up. The story is Joseph and Mary travelled to Bethlehem for a census, so they were of age and married. The census is a different problem because we know it didn't work that way. They only traveled for Bethlehem for the census according to Luke. Matthew doesn't mention the census at all. It does mention Herod and the massacre of the innocents but the only problem is that when the Census of Quirinius was made, Herod the Great had been dead for years.
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Post by clusium on May 17, 2022 14:23:30 GMT
If Mary and Joseph were married, why was Mary still a virgin? More importantly, would they stay married if Joseph wasn't getting some? Yes!!!!!
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Post by Sarge on May 17, 2022 17:47:57 GMT
Jesus had a brother named James that became a religious leader, and other brothers and sisters. Virgin means having your cherry popped, so birth doesn't answer the question. That's not how marriage works. I know there are all kinds of apologist explanations but as far as I know, they are all just made up. The story is Joseph and Mary travelled to Bethlehem for a census, so they were of age and married. The census is a different problem because we know it didn't work that way. St. James was Our Lord's cousin. In those days, first-generation cousins were counted as brothers & sisters. In the Gospels, he is identified as "the son of Alphaeaus." You are confusing the Apostle James with James the Just. James is identified as the brother of Jesus, not the cousin, the brother. Other brothers and sisters were also identified.
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Post by Sarge on May 17, 2022 17:50:40 GMT
If Mary and Joseph were married, why was Mary still a virgin? More importantly, would they stay married if Joseph wasn't getting some? Jesus had brothers and sisters so he was getting some. Or God came back for seconds, thirds, and more.
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Post by Sarge on May 17, 2022 17:58:48 GMT
Jesus had a brother named James that became a religious leader, and other brothers and sisters. Virgin means having your cherry popped, so birth doesn't answer the question. That's not how marriage works. I know there are all kinds of apologist explanations but as far as I know, they are all just made up. The story is Joseph and Mary travelled to Bethlehem for a census, so they were of age and married. The census is a different problem because we know it didn't work that way. They only traveled for Bethlehem for the census according to Luke. Matthew doesn't mention the census at all. It does mention Herod and the massacre of the innocents but the only problem is that when the Census of Quirinius was made, Herod the Great had been dead for years. Joseph and Mary lived in Galilee which wasn't part of the Census of Quirinius. Plus no one was forced to travel for a census so that part was complete fiction anyway.
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Post by clusium on May 17, 2022 18:39:35 GMT
St. James was Our Lord's cousin. In those days, first-generation cousins were counted as brothers & sisters. In the Gospels, he is identified as "the son of Alphaeaus." You are confusing the Apostle James with James the Just. James is identified as the brother of Jesus, not the cousin, the brother. Other brothers and sisters were also identified. James the Apostle & James the Just are one & the same person. St. Jude Thaddeus himself, identifies James as his brother, but, not Our Lord.
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Post by Sarge on May 18, 2022 1:54:21 GMT
You are confusing the Apostle James with James the Just. James is identified as the brother of Jesus, not the cousin, the brother. Other brothers and sisters were also identified. James the Apostle & James the Just are one & the same person. St. Jude Thaddeus himself, identifies James as his brother, but, not Our Lord. James the Apostle, James the Lesser, was the brother of John the Apostle. That's straight from the Gospels. Come on, you are just making shit up and that's no fun. You can do better.
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Post by clusium on May 18, 2022 3:02:48 GMT
James the Apostle & James the Just are one & the same person. St. Jude Thaddeus himself, identifies James as his brother, but, not Our Lord. James the Apostle, James the Lesser, was the brother of John the Apostle. That's straight from the Gospels. Come on, you are just making shit up and that's no fun. You can do better. There were *2* Apostles named James. There was James, the brother of John (actually the Gospels do not way which brother was the older one; I always thought John was the youngest), & then there was James the son of Alphaeaus, who was Our Lord's cousin.
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Post by Sarge on May 18, 2022 3:48:03 GMT
James the Apostle, James the Lesser, was the brother of John the Apostle. That's straight from the Gospels. Come on, you are just making shit up and that's no fun. You can do better. There were *2* Apostles named James. There was James, the brother of John (actually the Gospels do not way which brother was the older one; I always thought John was the youngest), & then there was James the son of Alphaeaus, who was Our Lord's cousin. To clear up the confusion of the various James, James the Just was Jesus' brother and the claim Mary only had one child is not supported by gospel.
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Post by clusium on May 18, 2022 12:45:39 GMT
There were *2* Apostles named James. There was James, the brother of John (actually the Gospels do not way which brother was the older one; I always thought John was the youngest), & then there was James the son of Alphaeaus, who was Our Lord's cousin. To clear up the confusion of the various James, James the Just was Jesus' brother and the claim Mary only had one child is not supported by gospel. Yes it is supported in the Gospels. St. John chapter 19, verses 26 - 27, Christ Gives His Mother over to the care of St. John. That means Our Lord had no other younger half-siblings. All throughout the Bible, the word brother (& even sister)had been used for relationships other than just sibling relationships. Eg: in some verses of Genesis, Lot is called Abraham's brother, rather than his nephew.
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Post by Winter_King on May 18, 2022 13:36:41 GMT
They only traveled for Bethlehem for the census according to Luke. Matthew doesn't mention the census at all. It does mention Herod and the massacre of the innocents but the only problem is that when the Census of Quirinius was made, Herod the Great had been dead for years. Joseph and Mary lived in Galilee which wasn't part of the Census of Quirinius. Plus no one was forced to travel for a census so that part was complete fiction anyway. It does feel that the Gospel authors were trying to find way of making Jesus being born in Bethlehem because that's where the Messiah is supposed to be born and they both came up with different ways of making that happen.
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Post by clusium on May 18, 2022 14:23:40 GMT
Joseph and Mary lived in Galilee which wasn't part of the Census of Quirinius. Plus no one was forced to travel for a census so that part was complete fiction anyway. It does feel that the Gospel authors were trying to find way of making Jesus being born in Bethlehem because that's where the Messiah is supposed to be born and they both came up with different ways of making that happen. Even in the Apocryphal Gospels, Our Lord Is Born in Bethlehem, & although St. John does not include the Nativity story in his Gospel, he does acknowledge that Bethlehem is where the Messiah is supposed to be Born (Gospel according to St. John, chapter 7, verse 42).
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