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Post by Ecstasy on Jul 9, 2017 18:33:45 GMT
Magneto hasn't been a villian in over a decade. And he'll be a villain again by next year, because things always revert to the way they used to be in comics. Don't even kid yourself with thinking it'll stick. As for the movies: Get back to me when Xavier's stepbrother shows up, hulked out by the Gem of Cyttorak. Film makers have said otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 18:37:51 GMT
And he'll be a villain again by next year, because things always revert to the way they used to be in comics. Don't even kid yourself with thinking it'll stick. As for the movies: Get back to me when Xavier's stepbrother shows up, hulked out by the Gem of Cyttorak. Film makers have said otherwise. Filmmakers say a lot of things. Many of them never bear fruit. Get back to me when Xavier's stepbrother shows up, hulked out by the Gem of Cyttorak. |
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 9, 2017 18:43:21 GMT
weirdraptor, I said analyze X-Men 3 from a technical point of view... not from the point of view of the source material and how it should be adapted.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 9, 2017 18:45:14 GMT
BTW, Magneto is the most fleshed out and interesting X-Men villain, perfect for a permanent place in the cinematic universe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 18:48:13 GMT
weirdraptor, I said analyze X-Men 3 from a technical point of view... not from the point of view of the source material and how it should be adapted. I did, you moron. If you can't see how stuffing enough story for three movies into one hurt the film, then you truly know nothing about good story-telling or cinema. You can drop the "I'm a film expert" act, because you're not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 18:49:04 GMT
BTW, Magneto is the most fleshed out and interesting X-Men villain, perfect for a permanent place in the cinematic universe. There is no X-Men cinematic universe. There is only a bunch of films so far removed from each other they barely count as part of the same franchise. |
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 9, 2017 18:49:42 GMT
Um... if your brain can't process all the stories in X-Men 3... I feel sorry for you, weirdraptor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 18:58:40 GMT
Um... if your brain can't process all the stories in X-Men 3... I feel sorry for you, weirdraptor. ...You were repeatedly dropped on your head as a child, right? That's the only way you can be this stupid. No, you moron, I process them just fine. Being stuffed into one two-hour time frame guaranteed all three had no breathing space and weren't properly developed. Magneto's Brotherhood Army needed a movie of its own. The Cure needed a movie of its own. The Phoenix needed a movie of its own. What they did is equivalent of stuffing all of The Lord of the Rings into one film (something I'm sure you'd approve of, too, because fuck the source material, right?). It doesn't work and most of anything interesting to be taken from all three of those stories has to be jettisoned to keep the film short enough to be watchable. X-Men 3 was an overstuffed melodrama or suckage. |
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Post by HaveYourselfaMerryLittleAckbar on Jul 9, 2017 19:47:09 GMT
I actually didn't care for Apocalypse very much at all. I'm not really interested in the new cast outside of First Class and DoFP. Finally, something else we can agree on. James Marsden was THE ideal casting choice and they pissed it down their legs. Yeah, Marsden was a terrific choice. After DoFP I was really hoping they'd do one more with the original cast just to give him another go. |
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Post by HaveYourselfaMerryLittleAckbar on Jul 9, 2017 19:50:51 GMT
Force Ghost Ackbar, you can blame James Marsden for bailing on X-Men 3 for Superman Returns. He was supposed to have a much bigger role. They had to compensate for him somehow. So... kill him, use Jean's other love interest, Wolverine instead. IMO, they properly adapted Wolverine to that story. I've heard that, yeah. And it's a real shame because the Phoenix story line was the perfect chance to give him a larger role. The "frienemies" relationship they created for him and Logan could've had a fantastic payoff as well. But I actually still do like X3. It's not perfect but I think it's underrated. It definately beats both Spiderman 3 and Iron Man 3 in my book. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 20:10:51 GMT
Finally, something else we can agree on. James Marsden was THE ideal casting choice and they pissed it down their legs. Yeah, Marsden was a terrific choice. After DoFP I was really hoping they'd do one more with the original cast just to give him another go. Agreed. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 9, 2017 20:13:29 GMT
BTW, Magneto is the most fleshed out and interesting X-Men villain, perfect for a permanent place in the cinematic universe. "WAAAAAH! MY FAMILY WAS KILLED BY NAZIS! WAAAAAAH!" Sorry, but that's as exploitative as you can get for origins. Every writer worth anything knows Holocaust Exploitation is as cheap as you can get for motivation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 20:26:49 GMT
BTW, Magneto is the most fleshed out and interesting X-Men villain, perfect for a permanent place in the cinematic universe. "WAAAAAH! MY FAMILY WAS KILLED BY NAZIS! WAAAAAAH!" Sorry, but that's as exploitative as you can get for origins. Every writer worth anything knows Holocaust Exploitation is as cheap as you can get for motivation. There are of course exceptions to that. Such as making a film about the surviving members of a Jewish family immediately after the end of the World War II dealing with the emotional and psychological fallout of it. The whole "Nazis killed out loved ones" angle would be so much more justified and less exploitative. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 9, 2017 20:49:20 GMT
"WAAAAAH! MY FAMILY WAS KILLED BY NAZIS! WAAAAAAH!" Sorry, but that's as exploitative as you can get for origins. Every writer worth anything knows Holocaust Exploitation is as cheap as you can get for motivation. There are of course exceptions to that. Such as making a film about the surviving members of a Jewish family immediately after the end of the World War II dealing with the emotional and psychological fallout of it. The whole "Nazis killed out loved ones" angle would be so much more justified and less exploitative. Well, yeah...but that's not what X-Men did. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 20:59:15 GMT
There are of course exceptions to that. Such as making a film about the surviving members of a Jewish family immediately after the end of the World War II dealing with the emotional and psychological fallout of it. The whole "Nazis killed out loved ones" angle would be so much more justified and less exploitative. Well, yeah...but that's not what X-Men did. Unfortunately. I would love a see a WWII based film about Mutants that presented the fact that the Nazis did not speak for everyone in Germany. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 9, 2017 21:41:28 GMT
Force Ghost Ackbar, you can blame James Marsden for bailing on X-Men 3 for Superman Returns. He was supposed to have a much bigger role. They had to compensate for him somehow. So... kill him, use Jean's other love interest, Wolverine instead. IMO, they properly adapted Wolverine to that story. I've heard that, yeah. And it's a real shame because the Phoenix story line was the perfect chance to give him a larger role. The "frienemies" relationship they created for him and Logan could've had a fantastic payoff as well. But I actually still do like X3. It's not perfect but I think it's underrated. It definately beats both Spiderman 3 and Iron Man 3 in my book. Actually, you there is a top person you blame for Marsden leaving and it falls downhill from there. Tom Rothman is the main person to blame for taking to long in signing Singer to do X3. Then you blame Singer for going to make Superman Returns and luring Marsden away for a bit part that was totally created afterwards just to put him in the movie. Then you blame Marsden last for following Singer for that bit part. Which is funny because he screwed Marsden over in X1 and mainly in X2. Which is funny because I think he had more screen time in X3 than X2. |
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Post by HaveYourselfaMerryLittleAckbar on Jul 9, 2017 21:46:11 GMT
I've heard that, yeah. And it's a real shame because the Phoenix story line was the perfect chance to give him a larger role. The "frienemies" relationship they created for him and Logan could've had a fantastic payoff as well. But I actually still do like X3. It's not perfect but I think it's underrated. It definately beats both Spiderman 3 and Iron Man 3 in my book. Actually, you there is a top person you blame for Marsden leaving and it falls downhill from there. Tom Rothman is the main person to blame for taking to long in signing Singer to do X3. Then you blame Singer for going to make Superman Returns and luring Marsden away for a bit part that was totally created afterwards just to put him in the movie. Then you blame Marsden last for following Singer for that bit part. Which is funny because he screwed Marsden over in X1 and mainly in X2. Which is funny because I think he had more screen time in X3 than X2. It's just sad that it played out that way. Especially since Superman Returns was one of the most forgettable comic movies of all time. If Singer and Marsden had stayed for X3 instead it could've been a truly amazing trilogy. |
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Post by jakesully on Jul 9, 2017 22:34:22 GMT
totally agree with the OP. I love these X Men films and feel more connected to them overall than the MCU films.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 11, 2017 23:29:58 GMT
jakesully, good man. I like your user, BTW. Avatar rules.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 0:32:29 GMT
jakesully, good man. I like your user, BTW. Avatar rules. You have no standards. |
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