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Post by spiderwort on May 25, 2017 22:41:37 GMT
- and yet, in so doing, still to some degree remained "stars." Rather than creating a list, I'm going to select one of my favorites and talk about her and how her career changed over time: the wonderful Shirley Knight. She began her career as an ingenue in her Oscar-nominated roles in The Dark at the Top of the Stairs and Sweet Bird of Youth (1962) (and should have been nominated for Petulia (1968). She was also superb in the tv film, Indictment: The McMartin Trial (1995), for which she won an Emmy. She's gone from a beautiful young ingenue to a matronly older woman, and hasn't missed a step, still acting in films, television, and on stage. She's never given a bad performance; rather, she makes everything she's in better than it would have been without her.
The Dark at the Top of the Stairs (1960)
Sweet Bird of Youth (1962)
Petulia (1968)
Playing for Time (1980 TV)
Indictment: The McMartin Trial (1995 TV)
Redwood Highway (2013)
Please make some comments about one or more of your favorite supporting actors who could have been and, in their way, were stars.
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Post by bravomailer on May 25, 2017 22:56:28 GMT
It was thought that The Deer Hunter would propel Christopher Walken to the top. He starred in a film or two then settled into supporting roles.
Ralph Meeker might fit the bill.
Dennis Hopper?
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Post by mikef6 on May 26, 2017 3:24:09 GMT
The classic era claims many “supporting stars.” Walter Huston, for one. Most of his most famous characterizations could be labeled as “supporting” or at the least, as part of an ensemble rather than a lead, i.e. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, The Devil and Daniel Webster, And Then There Were None, Dragon Seed, and Yankee Doodle Dandy.
Edmond O’Brien is another. He played some leads in smaller films - and in my all-time favorite noir, D.O.A. (1950) – but beginning with his debut in The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1939), he was a well-known supporting star. His Oscar was for Best Supporting Actor.
I’m also thinking Anthony Quinn (two Best Supporting Actor Oscars) but haven’t taken a close look at his filmography.
I didn’t have as much luck identifying female actors that met your criteria. Anne Baxter, maybe? Have to think about it.
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Post by bravomailer on May 26, 2017 4:01:15 GMT
I took "borderline stars" to mean they'd reached top-billing but then went down a few notches to supporting roles.
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Post by manfromplanetx on May 26, 2017 4:14:52 GMT
Mary Astor won an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress for her performance in The Great Lie (1941) she forever remained on the "borderline" never quite making it into the upper echelon of movie stars, but that apparently suited her. She personally declined offers of starring in her own right. Not wanting the responsibility of top billing and having to "carry the picture," Astor said she preferred the security of being a featured player a supporting actress. 
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Post by koskiewicz on May 27, 2017 2:08:22 GMT
...a few to consider:
Sydney Greenstreet
Lawrence Tierney
Peter Lorre
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Post by marshamae on May 27, 2017 2:53:23 GMT
...a few to consider: Sydney Greenstreet Lawrence Tierney Peter Lorre Does anyone really think Greenstreet or Lorre were every going to be leads? Those guys were born to be character actors. What about Lionel Barrymore? And Ethel for that matter? Ethel was Tge toast of Broadway but never made such a big splash in films. She aged into character parts. Lionel was a lead when younger, but he looked like an old man when he was 30. By Grand Hotel he was settled into character parts although , as in You Can't Take It With You, he could carry a film in a character part. Go figure.
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Post by telegonus on May 27, 2017 9:13:00 GMT
Charles Bickford comes to mind. He began as a rugged leading man of the early talkie period, more or less along the lines of George Bancroft. He had a few good but unspectacular years, returned to the stage, then went back to Hollywood and soon found work as a strong characer actor. Bickford never lost his star quality. It's still there in The Big Country, in Days Of Wine And Roses.
Sterling Hayden's another like that, though he had a very different career. Hayden never liked or respected Hollywood, rather threw away his film career even after, thanks to the casting brilliance of John Huston, he reinvented himself as a tough guy in The Asphalt Jungle. A star in mostly minor A and program pictures in the Fifties he bounced back, after a few years absence, with his classic portrayal of Gen. Jacx D. Ripper in Stanley Kubrick's Cold War black comedy Dr. Strangelove.
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Post by spiderwort on May 27, 2017 16:02:13 GMT
I took "borderline stars" to mean they'd reached top-billing but then went down a few notches to supporting roles. Yes, that, or they were very promising as up and coming "stars," but then opted to (or were relegated to by circumstance - be it weight gain, whatever) becoming supporting actors who seemed still to carry the weight of stardom with them.
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Post by telegonus on May 27, 2017 18:10:03 GMT
Some interesting responses here.
There are a number of actors best remembered for being character players who had a shot at stardom, usually of the modest kind, who are best remembered for their character work. Lloyd Nolan comes to mind. He got top billing a few times early in his career, even had a short running B series in which he played Michael Shayne, Private Detective. But it's his character work that Nolan is remembered for,--and talk anout a scene stealer! He stole every scene he was in in Bataan!. Even in his clearly secondary role as the father of drug addict Don Murray in A Hatful Of Raine it's Nolan who feels like the emotional center of the movie. Why? Maybe it's because he seems most at ease in his part, doesn't appear to be trying so hard like his Methody (sic) co-players Murray and Tony Franciosa.
Arthur Kennedy had a few brushes with stardom, is remembered more for her sterling character work in films. On stage he was a name player; in films, a character actor. Van Herflin's career was similar. Like Kennedy, he got the occasional lead or secondary star billing,--Shane is a good instance of this--but he was seldom the main attraction. Early in her career Geraldine Fitzgerald showed the makings of a leading lady, but it never happened. She was, however, a superb actress, as her later character work shows. Shelley Winters, a star for a few years, if a minor one, became a major supporting player as she put on weight! Jane Alexander enjoyed a brief period as a sort of "star of tomorrow" before morphing into an accomplished character actress of great skill.
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Post by mattgarth on May 27, 2017 18:39:11 GMT
Good thoughts about Nolan, Tele. Enjoyed his damaged, corrupt cop in LADY IN THE LAKE -- and his compassionate town doc in PEYTON PLACE (although he sounded more Brooklynese than New Hampshire).
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Post by telegonus on May 27, 2017 20:39:38 GMT
Good thoughts about Nolan, Tele. Enjoyed his damaged, corrupt cop in LADY IN THE LAKE -- and his compassionate town doc in PEYTON PLACE (although he sounded more Brooklynese than New Hampshire). Yeah. Nolan's accent and overall mannerisms seemed just plain wrong for Peyton Place. His performance was good but he didn't seem to belong in the film.
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Post by teleadm on May 28, 2017 2:05:51 GMT
For some reason I came to think of some Italian actors, Rossano Brazzi, Raf Valone and Vittorio Gassman, all had a short shot to Hollywood stardom, huge stars in their home country, and returned from time to time when they got older in supporting roles in American movies.
Marcel Dalio or sometimes just Dalio, huge French star (The Rules of the Game 1939) who became an international supporting actor playing all kind of nationallities. He was the croupier at Rick's in Casablanca, Baron St. Fontanel in Sabrina, the real Rabbi Jacob in The Mad Adventures of 'Rabbi' Jacob, among many others.
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Post by camimac on May 28, 2017 3:06:49 GMT
The actress who immediately came to mind for me when I read the topic was Tess Harper, but the more I think about it, maybe not because she's never been what I'd call borderline. It's more that I've seen her go from playing lead roles like in Tender Mercies to supporting roles, line in Crimes of the heart and No Country for old men and in various tv projects.
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Post by telegonus on May 28, 2017 16:29:35 GMT
I think of Wendy Hiller as a star, but that's me. Those two G.B. Shaw adaptations sell it for me. The Brits can be puzzling at times, as many seemed to slip from the top fairly quickly. I think of, even way back, Leslie Banks, a star for a while, and Edna Best, quite well known, then a secondary player. Then there was Dennis Price, so many others.
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Post by spiderwort on May 28, 2017 22:45:03 GMT
Yeah, I think you're probably right, telegonus . Even as a "supporting actor" I think she was still a star. The others you mention are better choices. The Brits are puzzling in general (to their credit), in that they are much more interested in acting than in being stars. Lynn Redgrave is a good example, maybe, of what I'm getting at - not sure. An Oscar nomination for best actress in Georgy Girl, and then with a few exceptions pretty quickly down to supporting roles. She got her second Oscar nomination as supporting actress in Gods and Monsters. Loved her. Loved all of them. What a talented family that was! Now Vanessa and daughter Joely Richardson are all that remain, I think.
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Post by telegonus on Jun 3, 2017 20:29:08 GMT
Characteristic of the British preference for stage work and the theater generally: when Georgy Girl came out, and proved a huge hit in and around Boston, where I grew up, Lynn Redgrave, who created a kind of "star of tomorrow" sensation, appeared on a local talk show promoting her appearance in a show she was starring in that was premiering in Boston, heading for Broadway, called Black Comedy. Needless to say, it was a comedy. Miss Redgrave was using her newfound fame to promote a stage show that hadn't even become a hit in, forget New York, a lesser "tryout" city.
Can you imagine something like this today with a hot young star who was just beginning to make wave?
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