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Post by CrepedCrusader on May 22, 2022 18:48:52 GMT
Things "fans" didn't consider "politicizing" Star Wars...
Star Wars, in general: An evil, autocratic government made up solely of humans is fought by a diverse group of heroes.
Return of the Jedi: According to Lucas himself, the Ewoks, portrayed as the good guys, were a stand-in for the Viet Cong. The Imperial forces, portrayed as the villains, were stand-in for the U.S. military.
Prequel trilogy: Villainous characters named after Republican politicians (Nute Gunray was named after Newt Gingrich and Ronald Reagan, and Lott Dod was named after Trent Lott). Lucas said he based Palpatine's shadowy machinations in the second and third films on Dick Cheney.
Clone Wars: A war-profiteering senator is named Halle Burtoni, a not-so-subtle nod to war-profiteering company Halliburton.
Things the "fans" consider politicizing Star Wars...
Sequel trilogy: Main protagonist is female, there's a black lead character, and two women kiss in the background of a scene.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 22, 2022 19:21:42 GMT
Star Wars has always been influenced by real world politics; nobody is arguing otherwise. The difference is that the filmmakers were competent enough to make the characters, factions, and themes stronger than their influences to where they could stand perfectly on their own in the mythology and be accessible to the point of being seen as universalism. The filmmakers behind the sequel trilogy were not very competent and making matters worse the characters and overall storytelling were not very good.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 19, 2022 19:34:44 GMT
You don't get more on the nose than Anakin's "you're either with me or you're my enemy". But times are different. In 2005, that warranted maybe a couple of threads out of hundreds. Nowadays people base their entire identities around the politics of movies and tv shows. And unlike Machiavellian geopolitical machinations, you don't have to be very knowledgeable to notice a black guy.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 19, 2022 22:35:43 GMT
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jun 21, 2022 3:58:11 GMT
I would agree with the both points, though they (Disney and Lucasfilm/Star Wars by extension) are clearly trying to score political points with gay posts and such. They don’t care about the characters or actual story. They post a comic with a pride flag on it and then dunk on some random user just to appeal to a certain crowd. That seems political to me.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 21, 2022 7:24:42 GMT
I would agree with the both points, though they (Disney and Lucasfilm/Star Wars by extension) are clearly trying to score political points with gay posts and such. They don’t care about the characters or actual story. They post a comic with a pride flag on it and then dunk on some random user just to appeal to a certain crowd. That seems political to me. I would have to agree, they're just trying to score some brownie points because it's pride month, but they see all of it as just business to make the news with; they should not have responded to that person and they should have made apology - not because they were wrong in their response but that their response led to some very nasty comments coming to that person's way and they ended up deleting their Twitter account.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jun 21, 2022 7:37:48 GMT
People are far to obsessed with space movies' made for children.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 21, 2022 10:56:02 GMT
If I admit there may have been a small number of fans who that applies to, will you admit that Disney Star Wars is complete shit?
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Post by Winter_King on Jun 21, 2022 13:30:25 GMT
Unless they're releasing the movie in China.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jun 21, 2022 17:18:36 GMT
People are far to obsessed with space movies' made for children. They aren't made only for children.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 21, 2022 17:19:21 GMT
Unless they're releasing the movie in China. China seems to have more or less banned Disney movies anyway.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 22, 2022 15:45:48 GMT
I just find it funny that a gay character = politics. Like sorry that you think that an existence of minority is too political for you.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 22, 2022 22:16:00 GMT
I just find it funny that a gay character = politics. Like sorry that you think that an existence of minority is too political for you. Sexuality has become very politicized in recent years.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Jun 27, 2022 2:22:09 GMT
Things "fans" didn't consider "politicizing" Star Wars...
Star Wars, in general: An evil, autocratic government made up solely of humans is fought by a diverse group of heroes.
Return of the Jedi: According to Lucas himself, the Ewoks, portrayed as the good guys, were a stand-in for the Viet Cong. The Imperial forces, portrayed as the villains, were stand-in for the U.S. military.
Prequel trilogy: Villainous characters named after Republican politicians (Nute Gunray was named after Newt Gingrich and Ronald Reagan, and Lott Dod was named after Trent Lott). Lucas said he based Palpatine's shadowy machinations in the second and third films on Dick Cheney.
Clone Wars: A war-profiteering senator is named Halle Burtoni, a not-so-subtle nod to war-profiteering company Halliburton.
Things the "fans" consider politicizing Star Wars...
Sequel trilogy: Main protagonist is female, there's a black lead character, and two women kiss in the background of a scene.
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Post by jonesjxd on Jul 20, 2022 10:45:34 GMT
Star Wars and comic books have always been political and always been "woke", I don't know if there were conservative crab apples in previous times whining about it constantly or if its just the over-saturation of pop culture in our day to day lives and the amplification of those voices through social media, or maybe it was Reagan that brought that culture war stuff to the forefront of the country.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 20, 2022 17:53:18 GMT
Star Wars and comic books have always been political and always been "woke", I don't know if there were conservative crab apples in previous times whining about it constantly or if its just the over-saturation of pop culture in our day to day lives and the amplification of those voices through social media, or maybe it was Reagan that brought that culture war stuff to the forefront of the country. The seeds of the culture war nonsense were probably planted by Reagan and the Bushes, but they didn’t seem to start being at the forefront of pop culture discussions until things like Gamergate happened.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 20, 2022 20:47:51 GMT
They aren't made only for children. Yes, exactly. George Lucas said he made Star Wars for "young people" and so people assumed that meant he only wanted children in the theater. When in actuality, the intention with Star Wars and any other "blockbuster" (as the lines for the movies back in the 70's-90's could stretch back for street blocks) is to target as many demographics as possible. To say otherwise is just plain silly. It's like insisting children can't watch/read The Lord of the Rings because Tolkien wrote those books with adults in mind, so children must stick only to The Hobbit which was written with children in mind. They can't enjoy The Lord of the Rings. Nor can they talk about them/criticize them. They can only talk about The Hobbit. Adults can't talk about The Hobbit and must stick only to The Lord of the Rings as it was written with them in mind...don't even think about opening a copy of The Hobbit to read OR turn on the Hobbit movies if you're an adult! Only the main targeted audience can enjoy something...see how ridiculous it gets? I would say Star Wars are family movies. It's something you can watch in mixed company and everyone can have a good time from grandparents, to young adults, to children. It's why the franchise grew as big as it did. It captured audiences' imagination, and that has no age limit.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 26, 2022 21:28:42 GMT
Star Wars and comic books have always been political and always been "woke", I don't know if there were conservative crab apples in previous times whining about it constantly or if its just the over-saturation of pop culture in our day to day lives and the amplification of those voices through social media, or maybe it was Reagan that brought that culture war stuff to the forefront of the country. We can also look at platforms like YouTube where fanning the flames and feeding into people's fears, anger, and general paranoia about others who are different from them can be monetized. Someone like the Geeks and Gamers guy, who loved The Last Jedi, can make a living off of pretending to hate it while recycling proven successful 1930s Germany era talking points. I honestly have to admire them from a capitalist standpoint. Less admirable are radicalized regular folks, who rant and rave about that stuff in their free time without even getting paid for it.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jul 30, 2022 15:44:53 GMT
I would say, the politicized things, in the first two trilogies were so subtle you didn't notice them... Unless it was actually explained, I would never have thought of it myself. And, it doesn't take away from enjoying them at all.
Then we got the politicization from the sequel trilogy which isn't subtle, and it sticks out too much. It's too obvious. They didn't do it right, I suppose.
That one part anakin said, that was a quote from george w bush. I never would have noticed that at all. I'm totally fine with that personally. But the politicization of the new star wars is just, Ugh.
Not tastefully done at all. It sucks I suppose that everything has to be too politicized now. As opposed to the prequels, which only had politicized stuff in it because the director actually wanted to do that.
Now we have things that are politicized and the directors have no say in them. I t reminds of one film that came out last year.
Ya most of that probably didn't make much sense.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jul 30, 2022 18:31:41 GMT
I would say, the politicized things, in the first two trilogies were so subtle you didn't notice them... Unless it was actually explained, I would never have thought of it myself. And, it doesn't take away from enjoying them at all. Then we got the politicization from the sequel trilogy which isn't subtle, and it sticks out too much. It's too obvious. They didn't do it right, I suppose. That one part anakin said, that was a quote from george w bush. I never would have noticed that at all. I'm totally fine with that personally. But the politicization of the new star wars is just, Ugh. Not tastefully done at all. It sucks I suppose that everything has to be too politicized now. As opposed to the prequels, which only had politicized stuff in it because the director actually wanted to do that. Now we have things that are politicized and the directors have no say in them. I t reminds of one film that came out last year. Ya most of that probably didn't make much sense. Very little of what you say ever makes sense, but I like your posts anyway, ya bastard.
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