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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 24, 2022 20:18:15 GMT
Potato Potato. All I saw was that same “stand exactly here” camera framing and shallow depth of field that made it obvious the backgrounds weren’t real. I don’t really know what “volume” is, but how is it different? It’s still a cgi background, no? The actors can actually see the background/environment they're suppose to be in vs. green screen where the actors have to use their imagination to envision it. I believe this leads to a more natural performance from them.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 24, 2022 20:21:14 GMT
Just finished the finale. I'm interested to hear what everyone on here thinks of it. Much of it looked nice, like the scene of Obiwan saying goodbye to Leia and the music was excellent in many scenes. The scenes with Vader are interesting except for the ones where he fights Obiwan. I really didn’t get anything out of their interactions. We know the dynamics of their relationship that to see them at it again just felt like Xavier and Magneto arguing in tired scenes in later X-Men films. I would have preferred to hear what they said to others about each other. And if they have to meet, a duel is good enough. I’m sure that force sensitives have all kinds of powers but they aren’t as dramatic as a light sabre duel. Anyway I would have preferred if Vader and Obiwan didn’t meet. I didn’t care for the plot of this series. There may have been elements that were enjoyable but that means very little ultimately. In fact it makes it even more frustrating, because it evidences they could have made an excellent series. But they didn’t. Same. It was unnecessary. I did like McGregor's acting when he saw Anakin through the helmet but that was about it for their shared scenes.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 24, 2022 20:23:35 GMT
It's nice he's such a good sport about returning to the franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if Hayden shows up in the Ahsoka series in some capacity.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 24, 2022 20:28:04 GMT
I also liked how despite having a hole sliced right through her and being left on the ground to die, Reva made it to Tatooine quicker than Darth got back on his ship to pursue the rebels. Great stuff again... Qui-Gon Jinn was probably wondering why he died of a similar injury and she gets to live...
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 24, 2022 20:51:07 GMT
Reva should have died (way too many force users running around the galaxy at this point). Tala was a way more interesting character and should have lived. Qui-Gon Jinn showing up for a few seconds was weird and didn't add anything to the story. What was the point? I guess we'll have to wait for some mediocre novel or comic to find out...Also, I guess Yoda failed to teach Obi-Wan how to commune with Qui-Gon like he promised to do at the end of Revenge of the Sith because it turns out it was a simple, "Yoink! You couldn't see me just because!" Tee-hee! I agree with the other poster that said he should have shown up when Obi-Wan was buried under all those rocks. That would have been good. I did like the Emperor cameo. I didn't know he was going to appear so that was a nice surprise.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 24, 2022 21:07:16 GMT
Why doesn't Obi-Wan just kill Vader? This is one thing I was OK with. Obi-Wan has known Anakin since he was little boy. Obi-Wan served as a sort of surrogate father, mentor, and eventual best friend and brother to Anakin. Obi-Wan's weakness is his love for Anakin. He feared facing and possibly being put in the position where he had to kill Anakin in Revenge of the Sith (saying he couldn't do it). He eventually faced Anakin, defeated him, and left him for dead in Episode 3 (still not actually going through with killing Anakin). Then he faces him again in this series and is doing alright in the fight until he can see Anakin through the helmet - then his sorrow comes out. It was ok when he was facing this machine, but to see Anakin for the first time in so long, it was too much for him. He's unable to finish him again. When they meet again in A New Hope, Obi-Wan would rather be killed (becoming one with the Force) than to kill his former Padawan. Within the characterization of Obi-Wan, his actions fit with who he is. Should he have killed Anakin? Definitely. It would have saved many, many lives. He couldn't do it, though. It's illogical, sure, emotions are like that sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 22:27:16 GMT
Why doesn't Obi-Wan just kill Vader? This is one thing I was OK with. Obi-Wan has known Anakin since he was little boy. Obi-Wan served as a sort of surrogate father, mentor, and eventual best friend and brother to Anakin. Obi-Wan's weakness is his love for Anakin. He feared facing and possibly being put in the position where he had to kill Anakin in Revenge of the Sith (saying he couldn't do it). He eventually faced Anakin, defeated him, and left him for dead in Episode 3 (still not actually going through with killing Anakin). Then he faces him again in this series and is doing alright in the fight until he can see Anakin through the helmet - then his sorrow comes out. It was ok when he was facing this machine, but to see Anakin for the first time in so long, it was too much for him. He's unable to finish him again. When they meet again in A New Hope, Obi-Wan would rather be killed (becoming one with the Force) than to kill his former Padawan. Within the characterization of Obi-Wan, his actions fit with who he is. Should he have killed Anakin? Definitely. It would have saved many, many lives. He couldn't do it, though. It's illogical, sure, emotions are like that sometimes. But in Return of the Jedi he’s pretty insistent that Vader must be killed. “More machine than man. Twisted and evil”
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Jun 24, 2022 23:57:26 GMT
But in Return of the Jedi he’s pretty insistent that Vader must be killed. “More machine than man. Twisted and evil” The Prequels turned OT Obi-Wan into a sexist because he believed Luke to be their "last hope" even although he was present at the birth of the twins and knew of Leia as well. This show turns OT Obi-Wan into a sadist because he could easily have dispatched of Vader but he let him live so he could get off on torturing a young lad by telling him he had to murder his own father because no one else could 😂. Come on writers just WATCH the previous films before you start typing!
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 25, 2022 15:21:03 GMT
But in Return of the Jedi he’s pretty insistent that Vader must be killed. “More machine than man. Twisted and evil” Oh, I agree that Obi-Wan knows Anakin needs to be killed. He just can't do it himself.
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Post by Marv on Jun 25, 2022 16:40:57 GMT
I didn’t hate the fight at all. I thought it was the highlight of the finale. The fight and dialog between those two really carried the series for me. The fight - if it were on its own in Star Wars lore - would be fine. But comparing it to the duel in RotS makes it feel so boring and slow. So does every other fight in Star Wars lore. The RotS fight is easily a top 2 fight of the entire live action Star Wars universe.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 17:48:16 GMT
But in Return of the Jedi he’s pretty insistent that Vader must be killed. “More machine than man. Twisted and evil” Oh, I agree that Obi-Wan knows Anakin needs to be killed. He just can't do it himself. Yeah, but that still changes things in a really bizarre way. It makes him a hypocrite for trying to get a guy to kill his own father when he wasn’t willing to do it. That subtext was not part of the original movies for good reason. And it also makes no sense following Episode 3, where he actually did try to kill him. Honestly, it’s just plain bad writing from people who don’t understand the movies. No other way around it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 17:50:03 GMT
The fight - if it were on its own in Star Wars lore - would be fine. But comparing it to the duel in RotS makes it feel so boring and slow. So does every other fight in Star Wars lore. The RotS fight is easily a top 2 fight of the entire live action Star Wars universe. I would personally disagree with that. For me, the Luke/Vader fights are easily the top two, followed by Duel of the Fates. I find the Mustafar fight to be a bit too silly.
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Post by Marv on Jun 25, 2022 17:59:22 GMT
So does every other fight in Star Wars lore. The RotS fight is easily a top 2 fight of the entire live action Star Wars universe. I would personally disagree with that. For me, the Luke/Vader fights are easily the top two, followed by Duel of the Fates. I find the Mustafar fight to be a bit too silly. To each their own I guess. I find the Mustafar fight far more enjoyable than Luke/Vader in Empire. Luke/Vader in Return is my number 1 because of how it hits emotionally more than choreography or anything. But I think the Mustafar fight is probably the best balance between emotion and choreography.The Duel of the Fates lacks a lot of emotion for me and is constantly undercut by goofy moments. But as i said, to each their own. The point is if I start comparing every lightsaber duel to the best then I wont enjoy any of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 19:37:56 GMT
I would personally disagree with that. For me, the Luke/Vader fights are easily the top two, followed by Duel of the Fates. I find the Mustafar fight to be a bit too silly. To each their own I guess. I find the Mustafar fight far more enjoyable than Luke/Vader in Empire. Luke/Vader in Return is my number 1 because of how it hits emotionally more than choreography or anything. But I think the Mustafar fight is probably the best balance between emotion and choreography.The Duel of the Fates lacks a lot of emotion for me and is constantly undercut by goofy moments. But as i said, to each their own. The point is if I start comparing every lightsaber duel to the best then I wont enjoy any of them. I agree with the RotJ fight being number one. I think it is exactly what the Sith fight should’ve been: just pure emotion and pay off- the Sith fight had too many gratuitous visual flairs for my taste- like going over a lava-fall and lava surfing on droids. Plus I don’t think those effects look all that great. Those two fights provide a stark contrast to me on how to achieve a good climactic moment and how to ruin one with style over substance.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 25, 2022 21:15:29 GMT
What SHOULD have happened is just as Obi Wan is about to kill Vader, Obi Wan hears the voice of Qui Gon reminding him to be mindful of the living Force. Though maybe Obi Wan might not understand why he needed to spare Vader, it would be a moment where Obi Wan submits himself fully to the will of the Force. After all, Vader living at this point is essential to the Chosen One prophecy.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 26, 2022 1:52:32 GMT
I also liked how despite having a hole sliced right through her and being left on the ground to die, Reva made it to Tatooine quicker than Darth got back on his ship to pursue the rebels. Great stuff again... Qui-Gon Jinn was probably wondering why he died of a similar injury and she gets to live... Reva uses a new Force power. It’s called Force Organ Donation. The Force donates itself to function for any organs of the body missing or destroyed by lightsaber wounds. THANKS DISNEY! For screwing up the mythos once again!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 4:35:44 GMT
What SHOULD have happened is just as Obi Wan is about to kill Vader, Obi Wan hears the voice of Qui Gon reminding him to be mindful of the living Force. Though maybe Obi Wan might not understand why he needed to spare Vader, it would be a moment where Obi Wan submits himself fully to the will of the Force. After all, Vader living at this point is essential to the Chosen One prophecy. This guy knows Star Wars better than the people who wrote the show. BRILLIANT!
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 27, 2022 19:50:29 GMT
Reva uses a new Force power. It’s called Force Organ Donation. The Force donates itself to function for any organs of the body missing or destroyed by lightsaber wounds. THANKS DISNEY! For screwing up the mythos once again!! Well, "the Force is female" now, so it likes women better. If they get the same injury, they heal while men all die. It's the Disney way!
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 27, 2022 20:04:48 GMT
Yeah, but that still changes things in a really bizarre way. It makes him a hypocrite for trying to get a guy to kill his own father when he wasn’t willing to do it. That subtext was not part of the original movies for good reason. And it also makes no sense following Episode 3, where he actually did try to kill him. Honestly, it’s just plain bad writing from people who don’t understand the movies. No other way around it. It certainly makes him a lot more like the others of the character archetype - like Dumbledore from Harry Potter and Gandalf from Lord of the Rings where they're consistently putting others in danger (Harry/Newt, Bilbo/Frodo).
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 27, 2022 20:09:09 GMT
Reva uses a new Force power. It’s called Force Organ Donation. The Force donates itself to function for any organs of the body missing or destroyed by lightsaber wounds. THANKS DISNEY! For screwing up the mythos once again!! Well, "the Force is female" now, so it likes women better. If they get the same injury, they heal while men all die. It's the Disney way! it's much bigger than that, the jedi council recently voted 6 to 3 that women jedi do not have the right to disappear and turn into a force ghost on their own accord
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