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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jul 22, 2022 0:06:42 GMT
It's always fascinating when you have one guy putting up great numbers but the team still sucks. Like Steve Carlton going 27-10 on a 1972 Phils team that won 59 games. 1.97 ERA, 12.5 WAR that led the league. Morgan was 2nd at 9.3. He was 5th in the MVP voting (Bench, B. Williams, Stargell, Morgan) with 1 first-place vote. And this guy is doing it as a batter and a pitcher. That's why there should be two awards, a Most Valuable Player and a Player of the Year. Baseball can say that MVP voting isn't weighted by the standings but we all know it is. If the Yankees win 115 games, Judge will get the MVP no matter what Alvarez and especially Othani does. People will always argue that a player on a 95 loss team can't be all that valuable. And a pitcher who only appears in 31 games can't be valuable. And name the damned awards. Why the pitcher award is the Cy Young and the ROY is the Jackie Robinson Award yet the MVP is nameless is silly. Make the MVP the Babe Ruth Award and the POY the Hank Aaron Awards or whatever.
Guerrero Jr. for AL player of the year.
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Post by thekindercarebear on Sept 26, 2022 13:53:22 GMT
At this point it has to be shohei right?
The man has done the impossible two years in a row.
Not saying Judge is not having a once a generation performance but shohei is having a once in baseball history with over 30+ homeruns and 100+ strikeouts.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Sept 26, 2022 14:20:14 GMT
At this point it has to be shohei right? The man has done the impossible two years in a row. Not saying Judge is not having a once a generation performance but shohei is having a once in baseball history with over 30+ homeruns and 100+ strikeouts. There are arguments to be made for Ohtani for sure, but the idea that it "has to be" Ohtani is misbegotten. Right now, it's Judge. In fact, I can't really see a realistic scenario of him not winning it at this point, even if he takes an 0-fer over the last few games. If he wins the Triple Crown, you can literally erase everyone else off the ballot. All things being equal, I agree with you that what Ohtani is doing is nothing short of amazing and worthy of accolades.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Sept 26, 2022 18:30:41 GMT
Agreed, but if the season ended today, he'd have as good a case as anyone. Is Ty France the most underrated AL player right now? He wasn't great during his rookie year in 2019, but since then he's quietly been one of the better hitters in baseball. He just rakes. Why isn't France more well known? I think even in Seattle he isn't that appreciated. Kyle Lewis won the ROY a couple years ago with an average season and has sucked since and he's more well known and liked the France it seems. Media bias.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Sept 26, 2022 21:48:52 GMT
Ohtani doesn't deserve the most 1st place votes.
Ty France kept getting injured & cold streaks... my 5th place fantasy trophy can attest.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 27, 2022 12:56:06 GMT
As amazing as Ohtani has been this year, the MVP trophy already has Aaron Judge's name on it. Even if he misses the Triple Crown, he did it for a first place team, not a below .500 train wreck.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Oct 1, 2022 5:23:27 GMT
Ohtani doesn't deserve the most 1st place votes. Ty France kept getting injured & cold streaks... my 5th place fantasy trophy can attest. Ty France will get hot in the playoffs.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Oct 1, 2022 14:02:35 GMT
Ohtani doesn't deserve the most 1st place votes. Ty France kept getting injured & cold streaks... my 5th place fantasy trophy can attest. Ty France will get hot in the playoffs. I wonder how many Jays fans drive down to Seattle if they meet.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Oct 1, 2022 15:33:17 GMT
Ty France will get hot in the playoffs. I wonder how many Jays fans drive down to Seattle if they meet. From Vancouver?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Oct 1, 2022 17:42:38 GMT
So it's pretty much Judge and Ohtani as 1 and 2 in the MVP voting. Who's #3?
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Post by klawrencio79 on Oct 1, 2022 18:40:41 GMT
So it's pretty much Judge and Ohtani as 1 and 2 in the MVP voting. Who's #3? I'd say either Yordan Alvarez or Jose Ramirez. Both have been amazing for first place teams. Nothing new for Ramirez, he's an elite player that goes unsung in spite of finishing in the top 6 in MVP voting 4 times since 2017.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Oct 3, 2022 3:02:20 GMT
So it's pretty much Judge and Ohtani as 1 and 2 in the MVP voting. Who's #3? I'd say either Yordan Alvarez or Jose Ramirez. Both have been amazing for first place teams. Nothing new for Ramirez, he's an elite player that goes unsung in spite of finishing in the top 6 in MVP voting 4 times since 2017. Jose needs a big playoffs.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Oct 3, 2022 3:04:21 GMT
I'd say either Yordan Alvarez or Jose Ramirez. Both have been amazing for first place teams. Nothing new for Ramirez, he's an elite player that goes unsung in spite of finishing in the top 6 in MVP voting 4 times since 2017. Jose needs a big playoffs. It won't count towards a regular season MVP.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Oct 3, 2022 3:06:51 GMT
Jose needs a big playoffs. It won't count towards a regular season MVP. It impacts my vote.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Oct 3, 2022 3:16:58 GMT
It won't count towards a regular season MVP. It impacts my vote. You'd have to vote before the playoffs begun.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Oct 3, 2022 3:17:51 GMT
You'd have to vote before the playoffs begun. Who says?
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Post by SportsFan19 on Oct 3, 2022 3:18:52 GMT
You'd have to vote before the playoffs begun. Who says? MLB
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Oct 3, 2022 3:21:33 GMT
I do not recognize Rob Manfred as a legitimate commish.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Oct 3, 2022 3:24:00 GMT
I do not recognize Rob Manfred as a legitimate commish. That's not going to change the entire voting history, nor does it have anything to do with the accepted voting tradition and rules.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Oct 3, 2022 3:38:36 GMT
I do not recognize Rob Manfred as a legitimate commish. That's not going to change the entire voting history, nor does it have anything to do with the accepted voting tradition and rules.
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