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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 18:28:06 GMT
I just hope they don’t retread the first movie. Not only would it be redundant but I don’t really want to sit through anymore ultra depressing Arthur Fleck misery montages. He should be in Joker form for the whole movie, because that’s basically who he is now (or thinks he is at the very least). It should be like the third act of the first movie from start to finish- Arthur as Joker, going further and further down the path of self-glorifying chaos and carnage.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 10, 2022 18:30:46 GMT
I'd like to see him meet with Phillips' interpretation of other Batman villains.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 10, 2022 18:52:27 GMT
My hope is that they cancel it before cameras start rolling, but I guess that’s not happening.
Just don’t include Batman, I guess. We don’t need three cinematic Batmen simultaneously, especially when we apparently don’t even have a Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 18:56:25 GMT
I'd like to see him meet with Phillips' interpretation of other Batman villains. I saw an idea posted on Reddit where Joker 2 is like One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest with all the classic Batman villains as the other inmates. That could be pretty great.
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Post by pennypacker on Jun 10, 2022 19:09:55 GMT
I'd like to see him meet with Phillips' interpretation of other Batman villains. I saw an idea posted on Reddit where Joker 2 is like One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest with all the classic Batman villains as the other inmates. That could be pretty great. If that’s how we get an Arkham Asylum movie I’m going to be so fucking mad. Or at least, a little annoyed.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 10, 2022 19:21:40 GMT
Continue laying the groundwork for the mythos of Batman. Some people dislike the inclusion of the Wayne's and their death in the first film, which is amazing to me. This isn't supposed to be a world where Joker is the only DC character that exists, it's just told from his point of view. There's no point watching a clown going around killing people and calling it "Joker" instead of "Terrifier 3" or something if it has nothing to do with the rest of the property.
I like the thought of intruducing other grounded takes on the villains, especially the Cuckoo's Nest idea.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jun 10, 2022 19:48:12 GMT
Well, I hope(er) it turns out good.
I aint jokin'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 20:27:03 GMT
Continue laying the groundwork for the mythos of Batman. Some people dislike the inclusion of the Wayne's and their death in the first film, which is amazing to me. This isn't supposed to be a world where Joker is the only DC character that exists, it's just told from his point of view. There's no point watching a clown going around killing people and calling it "Joker" instead of "Terrifier 3" or something if it has nothing to do with the rest of the property. I like the thought of intruducing other grounded takes on the villains, especially the Cuckoo's Nest idea. I’m curious to see how they handle the larger mythos surrounding the character. So many people say this is a Joker movie on name only, but they clearly went out of their way to feature the Waynes. They even tried extra hard to make the Arthur/Bruce meeting feel iconic. It would a total missed opportunity to not continue that. I’d like to see them move a step closer to the source material rather than away from it.
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Post by skribb on Jun 10, 2022 20:47:04 GMT
this is like making a sequel to Taxi Driver or something. oh well i'm going to watch it reagardless
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 10, 2022 21:17:50 GMT
Continue laying the groundwork for the mythos of Batman. Some people dislike the inclusion of the Wayne's and their death in the first film, which is amazing to me. This isn't supposed to be a world where Joker is the only DC character that exists, it's just told from his point of view. There's no point watching a clown going around killing people and calling it "Joker" instead of "Terrifier 3" or something if it has nothing to do with the rest of the property. I like the thought of intruducing other grounded takes on the villains, especially the Cuckoo's Nest idea. From what I recall, Todd Phillips plainly stated that he doesn’t really care or have much knowledge about superhero stories. He just pitched the movie to WB because he wanted to make an Oscar bait Scorsese knockoff, but he figured the only thing anyone cared about was CBMs, hence why the movie is called ‘ Joker.’ Besides, even if they wanted to include the death of the Waynes, I don’t see why they needed to show it onscreen. Just show the guy in the clown mask stalking them with a gun in his pocket. We didn’t need to go through that whole song and dance again.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 10, 2022 21:47:47 GMT
Well, I hope(er) it turns out good. I aint jokin'. Good one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2022 2:40:29 GMT
Continue laying the groundwork for the mythos of Batman. Some people dislike the inclusion of the Wayne's and their death in the first film, which is amazing to me. This isn't supposed to be a world where Joker is the only DC character that exists, it's just told from his point of view. There's no point watching a clown going around killing people and calling it "Joker" instead of "Terrifier 3" or something if it has nothing to do with the rest of the property. I like the thought of intruducing other grounded takes on the villains, especially the Cuckoo's Nest idea. From what I recall, Todd Phillips plainly stated that he doesn’t really care or have much knowledge about superhero stories. He just pitched the movie to WB because he wanted to make an Oscar bait Scorsese knockoff, but he figured the only thing anyone cared about was CBMs, hence why the movie is called ‘ Joker.’ Besides, even if they wanted to include the death of the Waynes, I don’t see why they needed to show it onscreen. Just show the guy in the clown mask stalking them with a gun in his pocket. We didn’t need to go through that whole song and dance again. This is often over exaggerated. Unless I’m mistaken there’s no real quote of him saying all that. He pitched an entire label of DC movies so I doubt he has as little interest in the genre as people claim he does. If I recall correctly all he said was that this movie wasn’t directly based on any specific comic, then he walked the comment back later.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 12, 2022 2:41:33 GMT
From what I recall, Todd Phillips plainly stated that he doesn’t really care or have much knowledge about superhero stories. He just pitched the movie to WB because he wanted to make an Oscar bait Scorsese knockoff, but he figured the only thing anyone cared about was CBMs, hence why the movie is called ‘ Joker.’ Besides, even if they wanted to include the death of the Waynes, I don’t see why they needed to show it onscreen. Just show the guy in the clown mask stalking them with a gun in his pocket. We didn’t need to go through that whole song and dance again. This is often over exaggerated. Unless I’m mistaken there’s no real quote of him saying all that. He pitched an entire label of DC movies so I doubt he has as little interest in the genre as people claim he does. If I recall correctly all he said was that this movie wasn’t directly based on any specific comic, then he walked the comment back later. He said he pitched Joker under the idea that WB that it would allow WB to make a “real movie,” rather than trying to be like the MCU. He definitely doesn’t seem like a devoted fan of superheroes. There was also that report from a few weeks ago about how David Zaslav wants him to be an advisor for DC movies moving forward, even though, by his own admission, he’s not really much of a comics guy. Let’s put it this way; Matt Reeves has made it clear that he’s a genuine fan of Batman who took extra care to stay true to the heart of the character, and his movie takes inspiration from several different comic book storylines. I don’t get the impression that Phillips particularly cares about that stuff. I’m not saying he’s never read a comic, but I think it’s fair to say that he’s not someone who lives and breathes this stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2022 19:06:15 GMT
This is often over exaggerated. Unless I’m mistaken there’s no real quote of him saying all that. He pitched an entire label of DC movies so I doubt he has as little interest in the genre as people claim he does. If I recall correctly all he said was that this movie wasn’t directly based on any specific comic, then he walked the comment back later. He said he pitched Joker under the idea that WB that it would allow WB to make a “real movie,” rather than trying to be like the MCU. He definitely doesn’t seem like a devoted fan of superheroes. There was also that report from a few weeks ago about how David Zaslav wants him to be an advisor for DC movies moving forward, even though, by his own admission, he’s not really much of a comics guy. Let’s put it this way; Matt Reeves has made it clear that he’s a genuine fan of Batman who took extra care to stay true to the heart of the character, and his movie takes inspiration from several different comic book storylines. I don’t get the impression that Phillips particularly cares about that stuff. I’m not saying he’s never read a comic, but I think it’s fair to say that he’s not someone who lives and breathes this stuff. I do admit I would’ve liked Joker to be a little more comic influenced. So I understand what you’re saying. It’s not my ideal Joker interpretation. I guess I was more forgiving of it because Joker doesn’t really have an origin and even the one from Killing Joke is paper thin. Also, I think Phillips paid more than enough attention to getting the essence of the character right: disturbed guy has a really bad day, gives into his worst impulses and finds gratification by embracing chaos for chaos’ sake. The second movie will be very telling as to how much Phillips actually cares about the comic book Joker though. I’m very curious to see if he moves closer to the source material or further away.
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Post by skribb on Jun 12, 2022 19:28:11 GMT
He said he pitched Joker under the idea that WB that it would allow WB to make a “real movie,” rather than trying to be like the MCU. He definitely doesn’t seem like a devoted fan of superheroes. There was also that report from a few weeks ago about how David Zaslav wants him to be an advisor for DC movies moving forward, even though, by his own admission, he’s not really much of a comics guy. Let’s put it this way; Matt Reeves has made it clear that he’s a genuine fan of Batman who took extra care to stay true to the heart of the character, and his movie takes inspiration from several different comic book storylines. I don’t get the impression that Phillips particularly cares about that stuff. I’m not saying he’s never read a comic, but I think it’s fair to say that he’s not someone who lives and breathes this stuff. I do admit I would’ve liked Joker to be a little more comic influenced. So I understand what you’re saying. It’s not my ideal Joker interpretation. I guess I was more forgiving of it because Joker doesn’t really have an origin and even the one from Killing Joke is paper thin. Also, I think Phillips paid more than enough attention to getting the essence of the character right: disturbed guy has a really bad day, gives into his worst impulses and finds gratification by embracing chaos for chaos’ sake. The second movie will be very telling as to how much Phillips actually cares about the comic book Joker though. I’m very curious to see if he moves closer to the source material or further away. has there ever been a comic storyline where Joker is 40 years older than Bruce? maybe it doesnt really matter.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 12, 2022 20:17:42 GMT
From what I recall, Todd Phillips plainly stated that he doesn’t really care or have much knowledge about superhero stories. He just pitched the movie to WB because he wanted to make an Oscar bait Scorsese knockoff, but he figured the only thing anyone cared about was CBMs, hence why the movie is called ‘ Joker.’ Besides, even if they wanted to include the death of the Waynes, I don’t see why they needed to show it onscreen. Just show the guy in the clown mask stalking them with a gun in his pocket. We didn’t need to go through that whole song and dance again. This is often over exaggerated. Unless I’m mistaken there’s no real quote of him saying all that. He pitched an entire label of DC movies so I doubt he has as little interest in the genre as people claim he does. If I recall correctly all he said was that this movie wasn’t directly based on any specific comic, then he walked the comment back later. You're correct. "It’s funny because a lot of you guys have probably reprinted something I said in Empire where I was misquoted. I’m not gonna complain, I like the writer; he wrote a great piece where I said we didn’t take anything from the comic book world. It’s actually not what I said. What I said was we didn’t take anything from one particular comic. We kind of picked and chose what we liked from the kind of 80-year canon of Joker. We kind of pulled a few things that we liked.” Which checks out to me. There are clearly ideas in it taken from The Killing Joke and The Dark Knight Returns, for example. I don't know why anyone feels the needs to spread misinformation about the man. As far as pitching the movie as Oscar bait goes: "When I first pitched this movie to Warner Bros., I never thought about nominations or grosses." His basis of trying to separate it from the MCU movies is that Marvel is "unbeatable" thus DC should be different, which... makes sense? And why should Joker be like an MCU movie anyway? Reeves' film is just as much a Fincher knockoff as Phillips's film a Scorsese one, if not more so. Filmmakers have been doing the "CBM as different genre" thing since at least Nolan used Heat as a template for TDK. When it works it works.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 12, 2022 20:24:07 GMT
This is often over exaggerated. Unless I’m mistaken there’s no real quote of him saying all that. He pitched an entire label of DC movies so I doubt he has as little interest in the genre as people claim he does. If I recall correctly all he said was that this movie wasn’t directly based on any specific comic, then he walked the comment back later. You're correct. "It’s funny because a lot of you guys have probably reprinted something I said in Empire where I was misquoted. I’m not gonna complain, I like the writer; he wrote a great piece where I said we didn’t take anything from the comic book world. It’s actually not what I said. What I said was we didn’t take anything from one particular comic. We kind of picked and chose what we liked from the kind of 80-year canon of Joker. We kind of pulled a few things that we liked.” Which checks out to me. There are clearly ideas in it taken from The Killing Joke and The Dark Knight Returns, for example. I don't know why anyone feels the needs to spread misinformation about the man. As far as pitching the movie as Oscar bait goes: "When I first pitched this movie to Warner Bros., I never thought about nominations or grosses." His basis of trying to separate it from the MCU movies is that Marvel is "unbeatable" thus DC should be different, which... makes sense? And why should Joker be like an MCU movie anyway? Reeves' film is just as much a Fincher knockoff as Phillips's film a Scorsese one, if not more so. Filmmakers have been doing the "CBM as different genre" thing since at least Nolan used Heat as a template for TDK. When it works it works. The Killing Joke and The Dark Knight Returns are the most cliched Batman stories a movie could possibly draw inspiration from, and even then, whatever ideas the movie supposedly borrows from those stories are pretty vague. The only real similarity to TDKR I can think of is that the Joker kills a talkshow host. As for The Batman, Reeves actually cited a number of movies the film took inspiration from, including, ironically enough, Taxi Driver. My point wasn’t that a CBM can’t take inspiration from other movies. It was that once you look past the Scorsese influences, there’s really nothing that stands out about Joker.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 12, 2022 20:29:13 GMT
You're correct. "It’s funny because a lot of you guys have probably reprinted something I said in Empire where I was misquoted. I’m not gonna complain, I like the writer; he wrote a great piece where I said we didn’t take anything from the comic book world. It’s actually not what I said. What I said was we didn’t take anything from one particular comic. We kind of picked and chose what we liked from the kind of 80-year canon of Joker. We kind of pulled a few things that we liked.” Which checks out to me. There are clearly ideas in it taken from The Killing Joke and The Dark Knight Returns, for example. I don't know why anyone feels the needs to spread misinformation about the man. As far as pitching the movie as Oscar bait goes: "When I first pitched this movie to Warner Bros., I never thought about nominations or grosses." His basis of trying to separate it from the MCU movies is that Marvel is "unbeatable" thus DC should be different, which... makes sense? And why should Joker be like an MCU movie anyway? Reeves' film is just as much a Fincher knockoff as Phillips's film a Scorsese one, if not more so. Filmmakers have been doing the "CBM as different genre" thing since at least Nolan used Heat as a template for TDK. When it works it works. The Killing Joke and The Dark Knight Returns are the most cliched Batman stories a movie could possibly draw inspiration from, and even then, whatever ideas the movie supposedly borrows from those stories are pretty vague. The only real similarity to TDKR I can think of is that the Joker kills a talkshow host. As for The Batman, Reeves actually cited a number of movies the film took inspiration from, including, ironically enough, Taxi Driver. My point wasn’t that a CBM can’t take inspiration from other movies. It was that once you look past the Scorsese influences, there’s really nothing that stands out about Joker. nothing stands out about a film with 11 Oscar nominations?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 12, 2022 20:36:36 GMT
The Killing Joke and The Dark Knight Returns are the most cliched Batman stories a movie could possibly draw inspiration from, and even then, whatever ideas the movie supposedly borrows from those stories are pretty vague. The only real similarity to TDKR I can think of is that the Joker kills a talkshow host. As for The Batman, Reeves actually cited a number of movies the film took inspiration from, including, ironically enough, Taxi Driver. My point wasn’t that a CBM can’t take inspiration from other movies. It was that once you look past the Scorsese influences, there’s really nothing that stands out about Joker. nothing stands out about a film with 11 Oscar nominations? Not sure what you’re getting at. Bohemian Rhapsody won twice as many Oscars.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 12, 2022 20:41:05 GMT
nothing stands out about a film with 11 Oscar nominations? Not sure what you’re getting at. Bohemian Rhapsody won twice as many Oscars. not sure what bohemian rhapsody has to do with anything so back to the topic at hand: you don't think a film nominated for best cinematography ( and 10 other catergories ) "stood out" at cinematography ( and 10 other catergories )
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