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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 1:40:45 GMT
If he sets out to do so at a very young age?
Say at about 5 years old a boy set out to live his life completely sinful. He never boasted about it, or called himself sinless, but consciously avoided sin and situations where he may be tempted to sin. Let's say he lived his life by the book (figuratively and literally):
He never fornicated.
Married in his early 20s, his wife not him never used birth control of any kind.
Never divorced.
His wife was the only one he saw naked. Never saw pornography. Doesn't own or use a computer.
Never listed after another women, even with a glance; avoided places like the beach where he may be tempted.
He wore pants, his wife wore dresses or skirts, never pants.
Has a career as a carpenter.
Never uttered a curse word.
Went to church every Sunday.
Tithed an exact 10% every week to his church.
Fasted a few times a year.
Straight edge: never did drugs or tasted alcohol (not that alcohol in moderation is wrong, arguably, but we're erring on the side of caution here).
Obeyed the law.
Is it possible?
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Post by mikef6 on May 27, 2017 1:55:31 GMT
If he sets out to do so at a very young age? Say at about 5 years old a boy set out to live his life completely sinful. He never boasted about it, or called himself sinless, but consciously avoided sin and situations where he may be tempted to sin. Let's say he lived his life by the book (figuratively and literally): He never fornicated. Married in his early 20s, his wife not him never used birth control of any kind. Never divorced. His wife was the only one he saw naked. Never saw pornography. Doesn't own or use a computer. Never listed after another women, even with a glance; avoided places like the beach where he may be tempted. He wore pants, his wife wore dresses or skirts, never pants. Has a career as a carpenter. Never uttered a curse word. Went to church every Sunday. Tithed an exact 10% every week to his church. Fasted a few times a year. Straight edge: never did drugs or tasted alcohol (not that alcohol in moderation is wrong, arguably, but we're erring on the side of caution here). Obeyed the law. Is it possible? All that is possible to do but none of it has much - or anything - to do with either sinning or living sinless. Who said that fornication or using birth control was a sin? Whoever it was, I don't trust them. Who said going to church was a good thing? How is obeying the law necessarily sinless? It was once legal to own slaves? According to you then, anyone who helped African-Americans to escape slavery in a sinner. I believe the opposite. If it is sinless to obey the law, then this sinless person would have to go to war if drafted by the government. Would he remain sinless if he were sent into battle and killed someone? Or would he be sin ful if he refused to kill? Why the f‼♯% should we pay attention to your skewed perspective on sin or salvation? |
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 27, 2017 1:56:33 GMT
I suppose if they're mentally retarded and don't understand the concept of "sin"
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Post by bonerxmas on May 27, 2017 2:06:00 GMT
by jewish standards: yes, possible, because the 613 laws are clearly stated and you can avoid violating them (not likely though)
christian standards: no, there is no canonical list of laws to study, sin is not a violation of a law but just the nature of mankind in our fallen world, mans nature is depraved so inclines to sin without even knowing what sin is, things you have no control over are considered sins like "lusting in your hear," even involuntary feelings like pride and anger are sins
observation: this might be why christianity emerged out of judaism in the first place, since paul is obsessed with the topic of the law and inability to follow it, 1500 years later martin luther broke became obsessed with same issue, couldnt be sure he was avoiding sin, led him to break with roman church
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 2:13:03 GMT
If he sets out to do so at a very young age? Say at about 5 years old a boy set out to live his life completely sinful. He never boasted about it, or called himself sinless, but consciously avoided sin and situations where he may be tempted to sin. Let's say he lived his life by the book (figuratively and literally): He never fornicated. Married in his early 20s, his wife not him never used birth control of any kind. Never divorced. His wife was the only one he saw naked. Never saw pornography. Doesn't own or use a computer. Never listed after another women, even with a glance; avoided places like the beach where he may be tempted. He wore pants, his wife wore dresses or skirts, never pants. Has a career as a carpenter. Never uttered a curse word. Went to church every Sunday. Tithed an exact 10% every week to his church. Fasted a few times a year. Straight edge: never did drugs or tasted alcohol (not that alcohol in moderation is wrong, arguably, but we're erring on the side of caution here). Obeyed the law. Is it possible? All that is possible to do but none of it has much - or anything - to do with either sinning or living sinless. Who said that fornication or using birth control was a sin? Whoever it was, I don't trust them. Who said going to church was a good thing? How is obeying the law necessarily sinless? It was once legal to own slaves? According to you then, anyone who helped African-Americans to escape slavery in a sinner. I believe the opposite. If it is sinless to obey the law, then this sinless person would have to go to war if drafted by the government. Would he remain sinless if he were sent into battle and killed someone? Or would he be sin ful if he refused to kill? Why the f‼♯% should we pay attention to your skewed perspective on sin or salvation? "Who said that fornication or using birth control was a sin?" Regardless of what YOU believe, many Christian denominations do believe contraceptives is a sin. I'm not saying it is personally, I'm intentionally covering all bases. "How is obeying the law necessarily sinless? It was once legal to own slaves? According to you then, anyone who helped African-Americans to escape slavery in a sinner." The Bible instructs us to obey the law of the land, whatever that law may be. Participating in vigilante justice can be considered a sin. So you're right, people who helped African Americans escape slavery violated the law therefore were sinning. It was the right thing to do, secularly, but still sinning. from a Christian perespective, people risked eternal hell to save people on Earth. "Why we pay attention to your skewed perspective on sin or salvation?" These aren't reflective of my personal views. I was listing Christian views. What the Bible states are sins. Obviously denominations are going to disagree with one another on morals, Im not interested in arguing what's a sin and what's not, I'm covering all bases, not just yours, to see if all Christians would universally agree if someone can live sinless. "Would he remain sinless if he were sent into battle and killed someone?" I'm not sure. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 2:25:50 GMT
If he sets out to do so at a very young age? Say at about 5 years old a boy set out to live his life completely sinful. He never boasted about it, or called himself sinless, but consciously avoided sin and situations where he may be tempted to sin. Let's say he lived his life by the book (figuratively and literally): He never fornicated. Married in his early 20s, his wife not him never used birth control of any kind. Never divorced. His wife was the only one he saw naked. Never saw pornography. Doesn't own or use a computer. Never listed after another women, even with a glance; avoided places like the beach where he may be tempted. He wore pants, his wife wore dresses or skirts, never pants. Has a career as a carpenter. Never uttered a curse word. Went to church every Sunday. Tithed an exact 10% every week to his church. Fasted a few times a year. Straight edge: never did drugs or tasted alcohol (not that alcohol in moderation is wrong, arguably, but we're erring on the side of caution here). Obeyed the law. Is it possible? All that is possible to do but none of it has much - or anything - to do with either sinning or living sinless. Who said that fornication or using birth control was a sin? Whoever it was, I don't trust them. Who said going to church was a good thing? How is obeying the law necessarily sinless? It was once legal to own slaves? According to you then, anyone who helped African-Americans to escape slavery in a sinner. I believe the opposite. If it is sinless to obey the law, then this sinless person would have to go to war if drafted by the government. Would he remain sinless if he were sent into battle and killed someone? Or would he be sin ful if he refused to kill? Why the f‼♯% should we pay attention to your skewed perspective on sin or salvation? Also, you're making the mistake of applying humanist secular morals to Christian morals. The two are not interchangeable. What may seem right or wrong to do is not necessarily right or wrong in Christianity. As centuries pass, human morals evolve and change, and we make the mistake of thinking that God's morals are evolving with us. Such is not the case. God's views are fixed from day 1; He is not influenced from our new ideas. If the Bible commands us to throw stones at babies who cry in public, then by default, it's morally right from a Christian perspective to do such a thing. But one day we unanimously decide as a culture it's wrong and evil to throw stones at babies, it doesn't mean God's views have changed with ours. Now I agree with you that certain things are wrong, that God doesn't necessarily believe are wrong. So it's better to admit you disagree with God in a lot of subjects, rather than trying to make him share your morals which aren't Biblical. |
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Post by clusium on May 27, 2017 2:35:13 GMT
Yes.
The Blessed Virgin Mary never sinned.
Many people believe that St. John the Baptist never sinned either.
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Post by kls on May 27, 2017 2:40:13 GMT
If he sets out to do so at a very young age? Say at about 5 years old a boy set out to live his life completely sinful. He never boasted about it, or called himself sinless, but consciously avoided sin and situations where he may be tempted to sin. Let's say he lived his life by the book (figuratively and literally): He never fornicated. Married in his early 20s, his wife not him never used birth control of any kind. Never divorced. His wife was the only one he saw naked. Never saw pornography. Doesn't own or use a computer. Never listed after another women, even with a glance; avoided places like the beach where he may be tempted. He wore pants, his wife wore dresses or skirts, never pants. Has a career as a carpenter. Never uttered a curse word. Went to church every Sunday. Tithed an exact 10% every week to his church. Fasted a few times a year. Straight edge: never did drugs or tasted alcohol (not that alcohol in moderation is wrong, arguably, but we're erring on the side of caution here). Obeyed the law. Is it possible? Many of those things I don't consider a sin. Many things not mentioned I would consider a sin. |
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Post by mikef6 on May 27, 2017 2:47:38 GMT
by jewish standards: yes, possible, because the 613 laws are clearly stated and you can avoid violating them (not likely though) christian standards: no, there is no canonical list of laws to study, sin is not a violation of a law but just the nature of mankind in our fallen world, mans nature is depraved so inclines to sin without even knowing what sin is, things you have no control over are considered sins like "lusting in your hear," even involuntary feelings like pride and anger are sins observation: this might be why christianity emerged out of judaism in the first place, since paul is obsessed with the topic of the law and inability to follow it, 1500 years later martin luther broke became obsessed with same issue, couldnt be sure he was avoiding sin, led him to break with roman church You're absolutely right about there being no canonical list of laws in Christianity as well as the Christian belief of the fallen nature of mankind. There is only left to mention the subject of grace as the remedy for sin, and that grace can lead a follower to break laws that hurt other people, to refuse war, and to stand against a repressive police force. Within the O.P.'s viewpoint that, for example, copulation without population is a Christian sin and that many Christian sects hold to this, there should have been quotes around the word Christian - thusly, "Christian" - in all those instances. |
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Post by vernuf on May 27, 2017 6:11:01 GMT
If he sets out to do so at a very young age? Say at about 5 years old a boy set out to live his life completely sinful. He never boasted about it, or called himself sinless, but consciously avoided sin and situations where he may be tempted to sin. Let's say he lived his life by the book (figuratively and literally): He never fornicated. Married in his early 20s, his wife not him never used birth control of any kind. Never divorced. His wife was the only one he saw naked. Never saw pornography. Doesn't own or use a computer. Never listed after another women, even with a glance; avoided places like the beach where he may be tempted. He wore pants, his wife wore dresses or skirts, never pants. Has a career as a carpenter. Never uttered a curse word. Went to church every Sunday. Tithed an exact 10% every week to his church. Fasted a few times a year. Straight edge: never did drugs or tasted alcohol (not that alcohol in moderation is wrong, arguably, but we're erring on the side of caution here). Obeyed the law. Is it possible? What a small, myopic, petty world you live in. |
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Post by phludowin on May 27, 2017 6:45:00 GMT
If he sets out to do so at a very young age? Say at about 5 years old a boy set out to live his life completely sinful. Nice Freudian slip there. As far as I'm concerned, blindly following a set of rules some men set up arbitrarily could be considered a sin towards humanity. If the concept of sin existed in that context. More seriously: Yes, it is possible to do all the things listed in your OP. But there's an easier way to never sin: Realize that sin does not exist. It only exists within religious frameworks; so if a person grows up outside of a religious framework, this person will never sin. |
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Post by bonerxmas on May 27, 2017 7:25:58 GMT
If he sets out to do so at a very young age? Say at about 5 years old a boy set out to live his life completely sinful. But there's an easier way to never sin: Realize that sin does not exist. It only exists within religious frameworks; so if a person grows up outside of a religious framework, this person will never sin. no, that doesn't work, its the same problem as the guy who said "im not a scorpio because i dont believe in astrology," the rules of astrology dont require you acquiescence in them, so if youre born within the right dates are you are a scorpio, even if everyone on earth abandons belief in astrology, you can still objectively determine whos a scorpio and who isnt if a jewish guy asks "is it a sin to eat pork", the answer is "yes", not "no because sin is fictional", the rules of the game operate whether or not you play the game or another example: "does the cyclops have one eye" - answer is "yes" and not "no because the cyclops does not exist", the cyclops has one eye whether he exists or not! |
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Post by phludowin on May 27, 2017 9:08:14 GMT
But there's an easier way to never sin: Realize that sin does not exist. It only exists within religious frameworks; so if a person grows up outside of a religious framework, this person will never sin. no, that doesn't work, its the same problem as the guy who said "im not a scorpio because i dont believe in astrology," the rules of astrology dont require you acquiescence in them, so if youre born within the right dates are you are a scorpio, even if everyone on earth abandons belief in astrology, you can still objectively determine whos a scorpio and who isnt if a jewish guy asks "is it a sin to eat pork", the answer is "yes", not "no because sin is fictional", the rules of the game operate whether or not you play the game or another example: "does the cyclops have one eye" - answer is "yes" and not "no because the cyclops does not exist", the cyclops has one eye whether he exists or not! Not quite. People born in November only are Scorpios within the framework of the Zodiac signs. If in the future, the Zodiac is changed and the sign of Scorpio dropped, then November people will stop being Scorpios. Sin is relative to the religious framework. What is a sin in one religion may not be a sin in another. E.g. in Christianity, it's not a sin to eat pork. A consequence is that the answer to the OP question is: Yes and No. Yes in the sense that it's possible to not break the rules of the religious framework you adhere to (or easier: Not adhere to any religious framework and therefore not having the concept of sin applied to you); and No in the sense that any action or non-action is probably a sin in some religious framework. In this case, I guess that if we want to find some common ground for "sin", we need to find something that all religions and moral frameworks agree upon. Some sort of behavioral guideline. I can only think of one thing: The Golden Rule (do as you would be done by). All moral frameworks I know have some variant of it within them. So I guess that a person who never breaks the Golden Rule is a person who never sins. Another thing: Does the cyclops have one eye? Not if his name is Scott Summers. |
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Post by johnblutarsky on May 27, 2017 13:23:49 GMT
Has a career as a carpenter. So, if you're anything other than a carpenter, you're a sinner? |
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Post by Moviefan on May 27, 2017 13:32:27 GMT
I don't think it is possible for any human to live a sinless life.
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Post by clusium on May 27, 2017 13:50:28 GMT
I don't think it is possible for any human to live a sinless life. The Blessed Virgin Mary did, & many people believe that St. John the Baptist did also. |
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Post by Moviefan on May 27, 2017 13:52:24 GMT
I don't think it is possible for any human to live a sinless life. The Blessed Virgin Mary did, & many people believe that St. John the Baptist did also. I have to disagree with you on that. I don't think there is any evidence in the Bible that Mary or John the baptist were sinless. |
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Post by clusium on May 27, 2017 14:01:56 GMT
The Blessed Virgin Mary did, & many people believe that St. John the Baptist did also. I have to disagree with you on that. I don't think there is any evidence in the Bible that Mary or John the baptist were sinless. Really? If they committed any sins, point them out. |
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Post by Moviefan on May 27, 2017 14:06:32 GMT
I have to disagree with you on that. I don't think there is any evidence in the Bible that Mary or John the baptist were sinless. Really? If they committed any sins, point them out. The Bible doesn't point out everyone's sins, but there is no evidence to suggest that they were sinless. The Bible makes it clear that all have sinned (except Jesus). Mary and John are never mentioned as exceptions. |
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Post by Jillian on May 27, 2017 14:08:43 GMT
The op's post is very strange indeed. I think all people can say that there is sinful behaviour whether they are religious or not, but I suppose it is subjective to a certain extent and varies. Some universal ones are the obvious ones, like killing, cheating, lying, stealing, being violent etc. Although it is not quite black and white and some actions are circumstantial. I agree with phludowin about the 'golden rule', too, which serves as a guideline for all the other things mentioned above in my post.
That being said, I've come to learn that in many cases birthcontroll pills are not necessarily good or healthy for the body.
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