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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 25, 2022 20:53:57 GMT
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 25, 2022 21:05:20 GMT
Didn’t the first movie establish that the title of Black Panther is an ancestral thing? Since Shuri was the next in-line for the throne after T’Challa, it makes sense that she would be the one to take on the mantle. I wouldn't exactly say she's "next in line" for the throne. The first movie established that the title of Black Panther and/or ruler of Wakanda is something that is won via trial of combat. A physical, melee type combat. Last I checked, Shuri wasn't exactly a renowned physical warrior. From what we saw of the last movie, M'Baku or Nakia probably have more claim to the throne because they were both champions/heads of their clans and were offered a chance to challenge T'Challa. M’Baku’s tribe doesn’t worship the panther god, so him becoming Black Panther wouldn’t make sense.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 25, 2022 21:26:53 GMT
I wouldn't exactly say she's "next in line" for the throne. The first movie established that the title of Black Panther and/or ruler of Wakanda is something that is won via trial of combat. A physical, melee type combat. Last I checked, Shuri wasn't exactly a renowned physical warrior. From what we saw of the last movie, M'Baku or Nakia probably have more claim to the throne because they were both champions/heads of their clans and were offered a chance to challenge T'Challa. M’Baku’s tribe doesn’t worship the panther god, so him becoming Black Panther wouldn’t make sense. He doesn't need to be called Black Panther. He can eat the herb and wear the vibranium suit and call himself Black Ape if he wants to. Pretty sure Killmonger didn't worship Bast either. The point is he's the protector of Wakanda, and that mantle is passed on via trial of combat.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 25, 2022 23:52:24 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 26, 2022 15:31:20 GMT
What's the point? Everything about this statement is stupid: First of all, the myth of Atlantis goes back millennia, it isn't the property of DC of Marvel. I think the concept has a large enough cultural footprint that people aren't going to see it as an Aquaman knockoff. Anyone who thinks Marvel is ripping off DC can go talk to Plato. That aside, linking a mythical realm to known mythology actually limits the creative process. You have an established palate to consider rather than having carte blanche. Seems like a shortcut to world building, not a 'creative flex.' I'm not up at arms or anything, I'm sure the [Atlanteans] will be compelling visually and plot-wise, no matter what they're called. But I can't decide if they're overthinking it or just being lazy with the rationale behind the change.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 26, 2022 15:37:00 GMT
I mean it makes sense. Aquaman already did their version of Atlantis, so naturally Marvel decided to do something else instead of using Atlantis and risking ripoff accusations from the casual audience.
Taking a Aztec mythology approach to Namor sounds like a good idea. Hopefully the world building for it is good and well thought out.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 26, 2022 16:36:47 GMT
I don't mind the Aztec motif, it gives them a design template they can base off of and it does look kinda badass. Provided they get rid of the feathers and headresses. That sh*t just doesn't make sense in an underwater world.
That said, I don't like the idea of calling them Talocans instead of Atlanteans. That's too big a change in comic lore for it to be easily digestible. But I'd give it a pass if only they'd shave that stupid mustache and goatee from Namor.
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Post by merh on Jul 26, 2022 18:34:53 GMT
I don't mind the Aztec motif, it gives them a design template they can base off of and it does look kinda badass. Provided they get rid of the feathers and headresses. That sh*t just doesn't make sense in an underwater world. That said, I don't like the idea of calling them Talocans instead of Atlanteans. That's too big a change in comic lore for it to be easily digestible. But I'd give it a pass if only they'd shave that stupid mustache and goatee from Namor. To the masses Marvel would be copying DC. It makes sense going with something else.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 26, 2022 18:49:07 GMT
I don't mind the Aztec motif, it gives them a design template they can base off of and it does look kinda badass. Provided they get rid of the feathers and headresses. That sh*t just doesn't make sense in an underwater world. That said, I don't like the idea of calling them Talocans instead of Atlanteans. That's too big a change in comic lore for it to be easily digestible. But I'd give it a pass if only they'd shave that stupid mustache and goatee from Namor. To the masses Marvel would be copying DC. It makes sense going with something else. Marvel is so far ahead of DC in the movie game that it wouldn't matter. Besides like Rey Kahuka said, Atlantis is not a DC-only concept. This is mythology. So the MCU having Atlantis won't be ripping off DC, they'd just be based on the same mythological city that countless other movies and shows have also referenced.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 26, 2022 23:07:56 GMT
The gravitas is fcuking most welcome. It almost doesn't sync with this otherwise cartoony Phase 4.
Please gawd MCU Phase 5 less kiddy more thrilly.
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Post by leesilm on Jul 28, 2022 0:17:41 GMT
What I'm thinking for BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER
-Queen R and M'Baku ruling Wakanda as co-regents (with Queen R being more the face of Wakanda to the world, as well as day-to-day ruling) for T'Challa Junior -Nakia & T'Challa had a child, whom she raised mostly alone due to T'Challa, Shuri, and Okoye having been dusted by Thanos, so it was Nakia & Queen R left behind -T'Challa dies shortly before the people of Atlantis (it has another name, that I can't recall the spelling of, starts with a T) show up with battle of the brain -Shuri works with Ironheart/Ruri -M'Baku leads the Wakandian army -Okoye is primary bodyguard for the heir -Nakia is the new Black Panther, having taken up the mantle shortly after her son's birth, when T'Challa/etc. had been 'dusted' and weren't available
I base this on images in the trailer (Okoye protecting a kid in the throneroom from a deluge, the framing of that beach shot with Nakia at the beginning vs the Black Panther shot at the end, that it seems there are some scenes from when half the population was still missing, it looks like we'll see the funeral of T'Challa, and seeing Ironheart)
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Post by leesilm on Jul 28, 2022 0:20:38 GMT
Friend and I were talking about this earlier. (Keep in mind, we were both history majors back in the day, me with US history, her with European) What if Atlantis is what everyone else calls it but the people who live there call it Talocan? Kind of like how the Romans and English had names for places they 'ruled' but those were not what the locals would have called the place before Rome/England threw it on their own maps. (I.E. Native Americans did not call the area they lived in Virginia or New York)
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 28, 2022 1:23:46 GMT
I don’t reckon that Shuri will be BP forever. A dude could challenge her and kick her ass and take the title.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 30, 2022 19:55:49 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Aug 10, 2022 14:32:16 GMT
"...Wakanda Forever has already gone through periods of reshoots. However, Huerta suggested to W Radio Mexico that the process is still ongoing for the cast and crew. Twitter user @chavernand provided English translations for the interview with the Namor actor. In his answer, Huerta describes the reshoots as adding 'little missing pieces' to the film." movieweb.com/black-panther-2-required-reshoots-following-comic-con-panel/
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Post by politicidal on Aug 11, 2022 0:40:09 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 11, 2022 4:43:51 GMT
I'm liking the Aztec-motif of their costumes but those headgears are really throwing me off. How the heck do you swim in that??
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Post by Power Ranger on Aug 11, 2022 6:33:53 GMT
M’Baku’s tribe doesn’t worship the panther god, so him becoming Black Panther wouldn’t make sense. He doesn't need to be called Black Panther. He can eat the herb and wear the vibranium suit and call himself Black Ape if he wants to. Pretty sure Killmonger didn't worship Bast either. The point is he's the protector of Wakanda, and that mantle is passed on via trial of combat. If true then Thor should go there and become Black Panther.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 11, 2022 6:47:12 GMT
He doesn't need to be called Black Panther. He can eat the herb and wear the vibranium suit and call himself Black Ape if he wants to. Pretty sure Killmonger didn't worship Bast either. The point is he's the protector of Wakanda, and that mantle is passed on via trial of combat. If true then Thor should go there and become Black Panther. Thor is neither Wakandan royalty nor a champion of one of their clans. He has no right to challenge for the title.
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Post by leesilm on Aug 12, 2022 5:38:29 GMT
I'm liking the Aztec-motif of their costumes but those headgears are really throwing me off. How the heck do you swim in that?? Maybe the headgear is more ceremonial, and not something they usually wear while really swimming around. Kind of like how you'd wear stilettos to a party and dance for a couple hours on the flat dancefloor, but you wouldn't go hiking for eight hours in them on rugged terrain?
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