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Post by havenless on Aug 5, 2022 10:44:15 GMT
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Post by twothousandonemark on Aug 5, 2022 14:20:52 GMT
Here's 20 movies that were a mess & won't matter... trust us with our plans for the next 30.
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Post by onethreetwo on Aug 5, 2022 15:31:36 GMT
It took them a decade but they finally came to the right conclusion. Copy the MCU. How friggin hard is that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 17:10:57 GMT
It took them a decade but they finally came to the right conclusion. Copy the MCU. How friggin hard is that? Do we really need 2 MCUs though? It would be so redundant. Personally I’d much rather just have good solo movies like The Batman.
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Post by DarkManX on Aug 5, 2022 17:39:18 GMT
The only problem is that they have to make good movies and their track record on that is really hit and miss.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 5, 2022 23:36:51 GMT
I think this is awesome news. Forget about the 10 year plan or the shorter windows. Focus on the part where they recognize that DC properties are their main money makers at the moment and will dedicate a team specifically to oversee the DCEU's interconnected development. They're putting their focus on DC. That can only be a good thing.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 6, 2022 0:52:41 GMT
"...with shorter windows … and with different marketing campaigns.”
Okay.
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Post by onethreetwo on Aug 6, 2022 0:57:43 GMT
The only problem is that they have to make good movies and their track record on that is really hit and miss. It's all about vision. It has to be the right vision and it has to be clear. My advice to them would be to literally copy the MCU. Literally. That vision worked. |
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Post by merh on Aug 6, 2022 14:46:00 GMT
It took them a decade but they finally came to the right conclusion. Copy the MCU. How friggin hard is that? Do we really need 2 MCUs though? It would be so redundant. Personally I’d much rather just have good solo movies like The Batman. They need to be like the MCU in actually having a fanboy running it. I don't think they're there. The problem has been wanting to be the MCU but not wanting to put in the actual work. Who needs several individual films? We want the Avengers money now on the strength of our characters being more famous
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 6, 2022 15:22:52 GMT
It took them a decade but they finally came to the right conclusion. Copy the MCU. How friggin hard is that? Do we really need 2 MCUs though? It would be so redundant. Personally I’d much rather just have good solo movies like The Batman. Yes, I think we need 2 MCU's if nothing else than for the competition. The MCU is getting lazy and complacent in their success. Maybe once they find themselves at risk of losing their throne as the premier superhero movie makers they'll start focusing on quality again. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 17:42:43 GMT
Do we really need 2 MCUs though? It would be so redundant. Personally I’d much rather just have good solo movies like The Batman. Yes, I think we need 2 MCU's if nothing else than for the competition. The MCU is getting lazy and complacent in their success. Maybe once they find themselves at risk of losing their throne as the premier superhero movie makers they'll start focusing on quality again. If they literally copy the MCU playbook that means no more movies like The Batman. And personally I’d trade in an entire potential shared universe to have more director driven solo movies like that. The MCU formula is already getting beyond stale. Watch them copy the humor too. My proposition that they hire Taikia to do Superman might become a reality!
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 6, 2022 21:32:51 GMT
Yes, I think we need 2 MCU's if nothing else than for the competition. The MCU is getting lazy and complacent in their success. Maybe once they find themselves at risk of losing their throne as the premier superhero movie makers they'll start focusing on quality again. If they literally copy the MCU playbook that means no more movies like The Batman. And personally I’d trade in an entire potential shared universe to have more director driven solo movies like that. The MCU formula is already getting beyond stale. Watch them copy the humor too. My proposition that they hire Taikia to do Superman might become a reality! The Batman is a one-off movie with a single superhero. I'd gladly sacrifice The Batman if it means every other DC superhero can have a decent interconnected movie on par with the average MCU movie or a JL movie on par with Infinity War. Besides, Batman seems to be the only superhero DC can get right. That's not a good thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 21:44:36 GMT
If they literally copy the MCU playbook that means no more movies like The Batman. And personally I’d trade in an entire potential shared universe to have more director driven solo movies like that. The MCU formula is already getting beyond stale. Watch them copy the humor too. My proposition that they hire Taikia to do Superman might become a reality! The Batman is a one-off movie with a single superhero. I'd gladly sacrifice The Batman if it means every other DC superhero can have a decent interconnected movie on par with the average MCU movie or a JL movie on par with Infinity War. Besides, Batman seems to be the only superhero DC can get right. That's not a good thing. Difference of opinion, I suppose. A solo movie as good as The Batman is worth more to me than ten of the lower-tier MCU movies combined. If I had to choose between a few DC standalone trilogies as good as that one and a shared universe on par with the MCU, I’d choose the former without a second thought. That said, I’ll gladly take a good DC shared universe. I just don’t want it to be a carbon copy of the Marvel formula.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 7, 2022 0:19:58 GMT
The Batman is a one-off movie with a single superhero. I'd gladly sacrifice The Batman if it means every other DC superhero can have a decent interconnected movie on par with the average MCU movie or a JL movie on par with Infinity War. Besides, Batman seems to be the only superhero DC can get right. That's not a good thing. Difference of opinion, I suppose. A solo movie as good as The Batman is worth more to me than ten of the lower-tier MCU movies combined. If I had to choose between a few DC standalone trilogies as good as that one and a shared universe on par with the MCU, I’d choose the former without a second thought. That said, I’ll gladly take a good DC shared universe. I just don’t want it to be a carbon copy of the Marvel formula. Who said anything about low-tier MCU movies? I'm talking about the average MCU movie. Besides, I've never seen DC pull-off a trilogy where each movie was as good as The Batman. Like I said, they can do great one-off movies but that's about it, maybe 2 movies back to back. But producing 1-2 great movies in a batch of 10 movies is not a good business model.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 0:34:25 GMT
Difference of opinion, I suppose. A solo movie as good as The Batman is worth more to me than ten of the lower-tier MCU movies combined. If I had to choose between a few DC standalone trilogies as good as that one and a shared universe on par with the MCU, I’d choose the former without a second thought. That said, I’ll gladly take a good DC shared universe. I just don’t want it to be a carbon copy of the Marvel formula. Who said anything about low-tier MCU movies? I'm talking about the average MCU movie. Besides, I've never seen DC pull-off a trilogy where each movie was as good as The Batman. Like I said, they can do great one-off movies but that's about it, maybe 2 movies back to back. But producing 1-2 great movies in a batch of 10 movies is not a good business model. My point was pretty clear. I’ll take more movies like The Dark Knight and The Batman on the DC side over another shared universe that no longer permits such movies to exist. Because as much as I love Marvel Studios, their movies rarely reach those heights or take those kinds of creative risks. And I’m not saying the status quo is what I want from DC either. They need to change what they’ve been doing to get a higher level of consistency. But “Be Like Marvel” is not the only option.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 7, 2022 12:15:02 GMT
They're going to have to put in a lot of hard work if they want to be like the MCU. It's no secret that the DC brand took a hit.
I'm hoping that with the new leadership they can turn this around and we start getting better DC movies.
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Post by James on Aug 7, 2022 16:47:13 GMT
It took them a decade but they finally came to the right conclusion. Copy the MCU. How friggin hard is that? Isn't that what they've already been doing before? Just not quite as well. Though if you mean the 10-year plan window then yeah, that's what they should have done rather than rushing out a crossover movie and a lesser known team-up movie from the JL (looking at two 2016 films) to be up to date with the MCU without any clear thought.
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Post by James on Aug 7, 2022 16:55:07 GMT
It took them a decade but they finally came to the right conclusion. Copy the MCU. How friggin hard is that? Do we really need 2 MCUs though? It would be so redundant. Personally I’d much rather just have good solo movies like The Batman. Could be so, and I like the concept of having solo movies and spinoffs since those are the ones that DC gets done better. But I still feel like there is a chance they could do the cinematic universe thing without feeling too similar to the MCU. A reduction in humour (without feeling too drab like Snyder) and less focus on crossing over even in supposed solo movies are a start.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 17:01:00 GMT
Do we really need 2 MCUs though? It would be so redundant. Personally I’d much rather just have good solo movies like The Batman. Could be so, and I like the concept of having solo movies and spinoffs since those are the ones that DC gets done better. But I still feel like there is a chance they could do the cinematic universe thing without feeling too similar to the MCU. A reduction in humour (without feeling too drab like Snyder) and less focus on crossing over even in supposed solo movies are a start. For sure. But I think to maintain a coherent and consistent shared franchise you need to have strict creative control over all projects. That’s part of the trade off. So directors like Matt Reeves will no longer be able to do what he did with The Batman. Also, unless they have someone as good as Feige the result will just be a bunch of soulless formulaic assembly line products- and to be honest, even Marvel movies sometimes feel like that.
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Post by James on Aug 7, 2022 17:17:49 GMT
Could be so, and I like the concept of having solo movies and spinoffs since those are the ones that DC gets done better. But I still feel like there is a chance they could do the cinematic universe thing without feeling too similar to the MCU. A reduction in humour (without feeling too drab like Snyder) and less focus on crossing over even in supposed solo movies are a start. For sure. But I think to maintain a coherent and consistent shared franchise you need to have strict creative control over all projects. That’s part of the trade off. So directors like Matt Reeves will no longer be able to do what he did with The Batman. Also, unless they have someone as good as Feige the result will just be a bunch of soulless formulaic assembly line products- and to be honest, even Marvel movies sometimes feel like that. Yeah there needs to be some more creative control, or they will feel more corporate products that resemble one another rather than having a distinct personality from one another to show the director's talents (something that the DCEU has been doing pretty well recently I'll admit), which even as a fan of the MCU (and still am) I'm starting to understand the similarities between them and the fact that they are producing so much content every year now.
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